TDF 2023: Stage 16:- Passy to Combloux, 22.4km ITT ***Spoilers***
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I don't really get why people are finding Vingegaard particularly suspicious. In the run up to this race everyone, almost without exception, was saying this was going to be a two horse race with third place very distant. Everything they said was right, especially as consistent performers Carapaz and Mas exited early. And then one of the two horses went lame. Third place is UAE's fourth choice GC rider and is only the second most successful GT rider in his family.
People seem to be shocked that their predictions were right.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Presumably it is the size of gap that opened up to the second of the favourites. It was a huge margin over two stages but I think the second of those stages showed just how knackered he was.0
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I think also the fact that he's not particularly likeable - or maybe fairer to say well liked - and he's up against a very popular opponent plays into it.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0
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DeVlaeminck said:
I think also the fact that he's not particularly likeable - or maybe fairer to say well liked - and he's up against a very popular opponent plays into it.
But he's just an introverted person. He's done nothing unpleasant.
Pogacar is extroverted and fun loving. As long as he's winning. Showing the world how easy it is for him. Now he' s losing, the fun loving has gone and he has a face like smacked arse.
I could draw comparisons with the wider world and the privileged elite (who cycling fans seem to adore) and those rose through struggle (who they view with suspicion). In summary, cycling fans are Tories.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Really? I'd say whistleblowing a scandal this big would make a career0
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It's human nature - he's less popular than Pogacar and that will inevitably lead people to give more credence to the idea he may be cheating than if he had Pogacar's level of popularity. .RichN95. said:DeVlaeminck said:I think also the fact that he's not particularly likeable - or maybe fairer to say well liked - and he's up against a very popular opponent plays into it.
But he's just an introverted person. He's done nothing unpleasant.
Pogacar is extroverted and fun loving. As long as he's winning. Showing the world how easy it is for him. Now he' s losing, the fun loving has gone and he has a face like smacked censored .
I could draw comparisons with the wider world and the privileged elite (who cycling fans seem to adore) and those rose through struggle (who they view with suspicion). In summary, cycling fans are Tories.
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I don't think this is true. Pogacar has handled getting smashed with substantial grace. He has been truthful with the media and has not sulked and has been grateful to his team and gracious to Vingegaard.RichN95. said:
Pogacar is extroverted and fun loving. As long as he's winning. Showing the world how easy it is for him. Now he' s losing, the fun loving has gone and he has a face like smacked censored .
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Indeed. Pogacar has dealt with defeat more gracefully than Vingegaard (who comes across as a smug, arrogant knob) has dealt with victory.m.r.m. said:
I don't think this is true. Pogacar has handled getting smashed with substantial grace. He has been truthful with the media and has not sulked and has been grateful to his team and gracious to Vingegaard.RichN95. said:
Pogacar is extroverted and fun loving. As long as he's winning. Showing the world how easy it is for him. Now he' s losing, the fun loving has gone and he has a face like smacked censored .1 -
Those predictions were based upon rides that were already deeply suspicious though.RichN95. said:I don't really get why people are finding Vingegaard particularly suspicious. In the run up to this race everyone, almost without exception, was saying this was going to be a two horse race with third place very distant. Everything they said was right, especially as consistent performers Carapaz and Mas exited early. And then one of the two horses went lame. Third place is UAE's fourth choice GC rider and is only the second most successful GT rider in his family.
People seem to be shocked that their predictions were right.0 -
Utter bollocks!RichN95. said:DeVlaeminck said:I think also the fact that he's not particularly likeable - or maybe fairer to say well liked - and he's up against a very popular opponent plays into it.
But he's just an introverted person. He's done nothing unpleasant.
Pogacar is extroverted and fun loving. As long as he's winning. Showing the world how easy it is for him. Now he' s losing, the fun loving has gone and he has a face like smacked censored .
I could draw comparisons with the wider world and the privileged elite (who cycling fans seem to adore) and those rose through struggle (who they view with suspicion). In summary, cycling fans are Tories.
Pog is still smiling. Even in his post Loze stage interval he was smiling.
We all expected a 2 horse race. What we didn't anticipate was the TT performance from Jonas, anihilating all opposition, even Wout, who had given it everything in the TT.
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I am a bit surprised at the level of revisionism on here about the TT; beforehand literally everyone was saying the TT would be close, a few seconds either way but not decisive. Yet now some have done a complete about turn and saying the huge gaps were entirely to be expected.1
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EH?!RichN95. said:DeVlaeminck said:I think also the fact that he's not particularly likeable - or maybe fairer to say well liked - and he's up against a very popular opponent plays into it.
I could draw comparisons with the wider world and the privileged elite (who cycling fans seem to adore) and those rose through struggle (who they view with suspicion). In summary, cycling fans are Tories.1 -
TBF any time spent in Cake Stop will aptly demonstrate this to be true...RichN95. said:
I could draw comparisons with the wider world and the privileged elite (who cycling fans seem to adore) and those rose through struggle (who they view with suspicion). In summary, cycling fans are Tories.We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Never have voted Conservative though I try not to be tribal when it comes to politics. I think we are just an older demographic Raver and our views probably reflect that. Back to the racing !ddraver said:
TBF any time spent in Cake Stop will aptly demonstrate this to be true...RichN95. said:
I could draw comparisons with the wider world and the privileged elite (who cycling fans seem to adore) and those rose through struggle (who they view with suspicion). In summary, cycling fans are Tories.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
I Like them both ..neither of them is a puller ....rare for young men with money and fame. They are both fine"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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I thought there was only Stevo who was still openly tory on BR and he claims that he can’t stand to watch road racing.RichN95. said:DeVlaeminck said:I think also the fact that he's not particularly likeable - or maybe fairer to say well liked - and he's up against a very popular opponent plays into it.
But he's just an introverted person. He's done nothing unpleasant.
Pogacar is extroverted and fun loving. As long as he's winning. Showing the world how easy it is for him. Now he' s losing, the fun loving has gone and he has a face like smacked censored .
I could draw comparisons with the wider world and the privileged elite (who cycling fans seem to adore) and those rose through struggle (who they view with suspicion). In summary, cycling fans are Tories.0 -
Absolutely not a tory. And i doubt everyone who questioned JV’s performance on Tuesday can be labelled as such.RichN95. said:DeVlaeminck said:I think also the fact that he's not particularly likeable - or maybe fairer to say well liked - and he's up against a very popular opponent plays into it.
But he's just an introverted person. He's done nothing unpleasant.
Pogacar is extroverted and fun loving. As long as he's winning. Showing the world how easy it is for him. Now he' s losing, the fun loving has gone and he has a face like smacked censored .
I could draw comparisons with the wider world and the privileged elite (who cycling fans seem to adore) and those rose through struggle (who they view with suspicion). In summary, cycling fans are Tories.
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If he were British, Vingegaard would definitely be a Tory voter.stage_hunter said:
Absolutely not a tory. And i doubt everyone who questioned JV’s performance on Tuesday can be labelled as such.RichN95. said:DeVlaeminck said:I think also the fact that he's not particularly likeable - or maybe fairer to say well liked - and he's up against a very popular opponent plays into it.
But he's just an introverted person. He's done nothing unpleasant.
Pogacar is extroverted and fun loving. As long as he's winning. Showing the world how easy it is for him. Now he' s losing, the fun loving has gone and he has a face like smacked censored .
I could draw comparisons with the wider world and the privileged elite (who cycling fans seem to adore) and those rose through struggle (who they view with suspicion). In summary, cycling fans are Tories.0 -
He really seems to have taken the jam out of your doughnut.
Personally Pog deserves to lose the tour with those stupid tufts of hair sticking out of his helmet.0 -
Another one of those can't find the tweet moments, but I saw a Danish Journo* trying to explain to someone that part of JVs issue is that he is from Jutland where a sentence like "I'm mildly happy to have won the tour" or "My legs felt better than average" are statements of wild exuberance bordering on arrogance.
I do think there is a bit of a culture problem.
*(seemed equivalent in stature to the Kate girl the Cycling Podcast had on a few years ago)We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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I will clarify my point as I have had less to drink. It comes down to the perception of a rider's talent when they are young. We often hear that in the past champions showed themselves young. LeMond and Fignon are usually cited. Armstrong (WC at 21) and Ullrich (TdF winner at 23) are usually ignored.stage_hunter said:
Absolutely not a tory. And i doubt everyone who questioned JV’s performance on Tuesday can be labelled as such.RichN95. said:DeVlaeminck said:I think also the fact that he's not particularly likeable - or maybe fairer to say well liked - and he's up against a very popular opponent plays into it.
But he's just an introverted person. He's done nothing unpleasant.
Pogacar is extroverted and fun loving. As long as he's winning. Showing the world how easy it is for him. Now he' s losing, the fun loving has gone and he has a face like smacked censored .
I could draw comparisons with the wider world and the privileged elite (who cycling fans seem to adore) and those rose through struggle (who they view with suspicion). In summary, cycling fans are Tories.
Some have all the contacts and opportunities , others come from more difficult backgrounds. We hear people saying they never did anything when they were young, so how can they do anything now.
Ignoring people's priviledge and thinking those advantages were earned is a trope of the current Conservative party.Twitter: @RichN953 -
DeadCalm said:
Fair point. Vingergaard is unpleasant, arrogant and has achieved what he has by suspect means, but to label him a Tory is beyond the pail. I hereby withdraw that particular accusation.Jezyboy said:He really seems to have taken the jam out of your doughnut.
Considering the vitriol you’re spouting, you should have been called DeadAngry.
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LOL"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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Ha ha ha. Do you know the first thing I thought of reading your post was whether you were drunk! Didn’t say anything as not the right thing to do.RichN95. said:
I will clarify my point as I have had less to drink. It comes down to the perception of a rider's talent when they are young. We often hear that in the past champions showed themselves young. LeMond and Fignon are usually cited. Armstrong (WC at 21) and Ullrich (TdF winner at 23) are usually ignored.stage_hunter said:
Absolutely not a tory. And i doubt everyone who questioned JV’s performance on Tuesday can be labelled as such.RichN95. said:DeVlaeminck said:I think also the fact that he's not particularly likeable - or maybe fairer to say well liked - and he's up against a very popular opponent plays into it.
But he's just an introverted person. He's done nothing unpleasant.
Pogacar is extroverted and fun loving. As long as he's winning. Showing the world how easy it is for him. Now he' s losing, the fun loving has gone and he has a face like smacked censored .
I could draw comparisons with the wider world and the privileged elite (who cycling fans seem to adore) and those rose through struggle (who they view with suspicion). In summary, cycling fans are Tories.
Some have all the contacts and opportunities , others come from more difficult backgrounds. We hear people saying they never did anything when they were young, so how can they do anything now.
Ignoring people's priviledge and thinking those advantages were earned is a trope of the current Conservative party.
I agree with your first two paras. I think it is a huge problem with sports outside of football. Well off parents can help kids massively0 -
I often post on here after a few Tripel Karmeliets (or vodka equivalent). I like to think I make pro-active pints that may not always make sense. I'm just glad I'm not offensive.stage_hunter said:
Ha ha ha. Do you know the first thing I thought of reading your post was whether you were drunk! Didn’t say anything as not the right thing to do.
Right. I've had a few. Trans cycling..,.. (No, let's not)Twitter: @RichN951 -
Love a pro-active pint myself.RichN95. said:
I often post on here after a few Tripel Karmeliets (or vodka equivalent). I like to think I make pro-active pints that may not always make sense. I'm just glad I'm not offensive.stage_hunter said:
Ha ha ha. Do you know the first thing I thought of reading your post was whether you were drunk! Didn’t say anything as not the right thing to do.
Right. I've had a few. Trans cycling..,.. (No, let's not)4