Boris Becker
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not to mention footballer managers.....Pross said:
Yes, went on to do some acting and was also the second person (after Marilyn Monroe) to be the cover person on a sold out edition of Playboy.ugo.santalucia said:I did have an interest in winter sport... Tomba was big, but I can't possibly remember the name of a single bobsleigh, biathlete or skater...
Katharina Witt, now that it comes to think of it, wasn't she German? She was quite a big name...
From a similar era there was also Heike Drechsler, one of the greatest long jumpers of all time (and decent sprinter too) although East German athletes from that period have a big asterisk next to their name.
The Germans have had a fair few well known cyclists over the years too on both track and road. There are also a lot more footballers than those you mention such as Klinsman.
and their four gold stars and 3 silver stars on their shirts....
tbh, its random that people are even questioning how good Germany is at all sports.
We don't think they would be impressed if Eddy the Eagle was the best they had..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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TBF Graf is doing a lot of the heavy lifting there. Andy Murray has quite a few more career singles titles than Becker and the same number of Grand Slam titles.MattFalle said:Right, serious question.
Combine Becker & Graf's victories.
More between them two alone than all British tennerists combined?0 -
Only half... Becker has 6 slams, Murray 3Pross said:
TBF Graf is doing a lot of the heavy lifting there. Andy Murray has quite a few more career singles titles than Becker and the same number of Grand Slam titles.MattFalle said:Right, serious question.
Combine Becker & Graf's victories.
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French though...ddraver said:Read an article on the bog recently about Luc Alphand, darling skier of the resort I did my first season in who retired and went on to win Paris Dakar...
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Pross said:
TBF Graf is doing a lot of the heavy lifting there. Andy Murray has quite a few more career singles titles than Becker and the same number of Grand Slam titles.MattFalle said:Right, serious question.
Combine Becker & Graf's victories.
More between them two alone than all British tennerists combined?
Becker ahead .....The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Both Mr Graf and Becker got busted for tax evasion. Hence they may have shared the same poor / dodgy tax accountant.MattFalle said:
why do you say that?wallace_and_gromit said:
Different tax advisors though. But her Dad and Becker probably shared tax accountants!ugo.santalucia said:
Yep, same time as Becker... she was betterMattFalle said:back onto tennis, Steffi Graf was quite good.
There was never even a hint of impropriety about Steffi's financial affairs, hence it's unlikely she had the same tax advisors as her Dad or Boris, as her tax advisors were presumably good.
Caveat - Don't like Boris. He's the same school year as me and he made me feel like the inadequate couch potato that I was when he won Wimbledon aged 17.0 -
Different upbringing, he was born into money and had his way to success paved by his parents... can you say the same?wallace_and_gromit said:
Caveat - Don't like Boris. He's the same school year as me and he made me feel like the inadequate couch potato that I was when he won Wimbledon aged 17.
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Eh?Pross said:
TBF Graf is doing a lot of the heavy lifting there. Andy Murray has quite a few more career singles titles than Becker and the same number of Grand Slam titles.MattFalle said:Right, serious question.
Combine Becker & Graf's victories.
More between them two alone than all British tennerists combined?
Murray Grand Slam -> 3.
Becker Grand Slam -> 6.
Career titles won:
Murray: 46 in singles, 3 in doubles.
Becker: 49 in singles, 15 in doubles.
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I think the total lack of any kind of sporting ability (bar a high tolerance to pain) was rather more of an issue! My Dad supported my youthful cricket career to a great extent, but I was not equipped to do him justice.ugo.santalucia said:
Different upbringing, he was born into money and had his way to success paved by his parents... can you say the same?wallace_and_gromit said:
Caveat - Don't like Boris. He's the same school year as me and he made me feel like the inadequate couch potato that I was when he won Wimbledon aged 17.0 -
And a small reminder of the sheer talent of Becker...
He won his first Wimbledon title - the pinnacle of achievement in the tennis world - aged 17. A junior. THEN backed up and defended it the next year at 18. He made the final 7 out of 10 years, and won it once more. Lost a couple to the other freakishly talented grass-court player in Stefan Edberg.
Irrespective of his other foibles, he was an other-worldly class player who probably heavily under-achieved in his later career thanks to the distraction of off-court dramas.
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My mistake, thought I saw 65 career titles for Murray on Wiki.Wheelspinner said:
Eh?Pross said:
TBF Graf is doing a lot of the heavy lifting there. Andy Murray has quite a few more career singles titles than Becker and the same number of Grand Slam titles.MattFalle said:Right, serious question.
Combine Becker & Graf's victories.
More between them two alone than all British tennerists combined?
Murray Grand Slam -> 3.
Becker Grand Slam -> 6.
Career titles won:
Murray: 46 in singles, 3 in doubles.
Becker: 49 in singles, 15 in doubles.
I’m still surprised by how much Becker won. I never felt he was on a par with many others in his era.0 -
Agreed. It's easy to forget just how good he was.Wheelspinner said:And a small reminder of the sheer talent of Becker...
He won his first Wimbledon title - the pinnacle of achievement in the tennis world - aged 17. A junior. THEN backed up and defended it the next year at 18. He made the final 7 out of 10 years, and won it once more. Lost a couple to the other freakishly talented grass-court player in Stefan Edberg.
Irrespective of his other foibles, he was an other-worldly class player who probably heavily under-achieved in his later career thanks to the distraction of off-court dramas.
I read that in the 1990 Wimbledon final, he went 2 sets down to Edberg, after some heavy indulgence (of various mind-altering substances) the night before. He recovered sufficiently to level the match before losing the decider. You've got to be pretty good to be competitive against Edberg after a bender!1 -
WS is correct.Wheelspinner said:And a small reminder of the sheer talent of Becker...
He won his first Wimbledon title - the pinnacle of achievement in the tennis world - aged 17. A junior. THEN backed up and defended it the next year at 18. He made the final 7 out of 10 years, and won it once more. Lost a couple to the other freakishly talented grass-court player in Stefan Edberg.
Irrespective of his other foibles, he was an other-worldly class player who probably heavily under-achieved in his later career thanks to the distraction of off-court dramas..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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eh?ugo.santalucia said:
Different upbringing, he was born into money and had his way to success paved by his parents... can you say the same?wallace_and_gromit said:
Caveat - Don't like Boris. He's the same school year as me and he made me feel like the inadequate couch potato that I was when he won Wimbledon aged 17.
way to success paved by parents?
what are you on about Willis?
he won what he did by sheer natural talent.
all the money in the world can't get you winning what he did..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Pete Sampras, what's he chopped liver?
Aaaannnnnndddddd, Ivan Lendl, wwwhhhooooooo also coached Andy Murray to greatness. Highly underrated players.
I rest my case me lud.0 -
There is plenty of talent, but only a fraction of it gets spotted. It might well be that Charles Manson could have been a phenomenal soccer player, but life went a different way for him.Pross said:
eh?
way to success paved by parents?
what are you on about Willis?
he won what he did by sheer natural talent.
all the money in the world can't get you winning what he did.
Boris certainly had the talent, but he also grew up in a conducing environment... I read that his dad set up a tennis centre in his home town... these kind of things help... had his dad been a miner, instead of a wealthy architect, things might have turned out differently for him
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this is a Boris Becker thread, not a Sampras thread.
And we're rapidly proving that Murray isn't that great..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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and they might not have.ugo.santalucia said:
There is plenty of talent, but only a fraction of it gets spotted. It might well be that Charles Manson could have been a phenomenal soccer player, but life went a different way for him.Pross said:
eh?
way to success paved by parents?
what are you on about Willis?
he won what he did by sheer natural talent.
all the money in the world can't get you winning what he did.
Boris certainly had the talent, but he also grew up in a conducing environment... I read that his dad set up a tennis centre in his home town... these kind of things help... had his dad been a miner, instead of a wealthy architect, things might have turned out differently for him
Brooklyn Beckham has all the money in the world but he's stillfuckinguseless at everything..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Obviously there is that too...ddraver said:
and they might not have.
Brooklyn Beckham has all the money in the world but he's stillfuckinguseless at everything.
And anything in between, the almost good but not quite, like Axel Merckx...
I wonder about Wiggins' son... seems to have bit of talent?
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Axel Merckx of tennisugo.santalucia said:Staying on Tennis... What's Raducanu's real worth? Is she a number one player... or a top 10 player or a top 20 player or not even that?
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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yes you did.
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Didn’t appreciate Becker while he was the dominant force on grass but did in the later years when his game was slightly on the wane and he could still complete with the best by sheer will. Enormous charisma on court and must have been difficult face across the net.wallace_and_gromit said:
Agreed. It's easy to forget just how good he was.Wheelspinner said:And a small reminder of the sheer talent of Becker...
He won his first Wimbledon title - the pinnacle of achievement in the tennis world - aged 17. A junior. THEN backed up and defended it the next year at 18. He made the final 7 out of 10 years, and won it once more. Lost a couple to the other freakishly talented grass-court player in Stefan Edberg.
Irrespective of his other foibles, he was an other-worldly class player who probably heavily under-achieved in his later career thanks to the distraction of off-court dramas.
I read that in the 1990 Wimbledon final, he went 2 sets down to Edberg, after some heavy indulgence (of various mind-altering substances) the night before. He recovered sufficiently to level the match before losing the decider. You've got to be pretty good to be competitive against Edberg after a censored !Pinno, מלך אידיוט וחרא מכונאי0 -
very different... he was consistently very decent, but not a star... she won a major title, but then she's been very very mediocre ever since... probably lost more matches than she won, which takes some doing in tennis!MattFalle said:
Axel Merckx of tennisugo.santalucia said:Staying on Tennis... What's Raducanu's real worth? Is she a number one player... or a top 10 player or a top 20 player or not even that?
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give her a couple years more of mid table mediocrity and you'll see.ugo.santalucia said:
very different... he was consistently very decent, but not a star... she won a major title, but then she's been very very mediocre ever since... probably lost more matches than she won, which takes some doing in tennis!MattFalle said:
Axel Merckx of tennisugo.santalucia said:Staying on Tennis... What's Raducanu's real worth? Is she a number one player... or a top 10 player or a top 20 player or not even that?
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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