The Big 'Let's sell our cars and take buses/ebikes instead' thread (warning: probably very dull)
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Maybe not the organic, which maybe goes to restaurants, but the lower welfare one probably ends up in a different trade…First.Aspect said:
Because of dogs?ugo.santalucia said:
No... we looked at online retailers of organic quality meats too. They all have it in their catalogue, but was sold out everywhere. Interestingly, there was no shortage of ribeye available... to me this suggests the demand is there but the supply chain doesn't exist.Pross said:
It would have been impossible to find because there isn't enough of a market to justify anyone selling them. I think you are seriously over-estimating how many people actually bother cooking from scratch let alone trying the fancy dishes TV chefs demonstrate. A proper butcher, one that actually takes a whole animal and chops it up themselves, would no doubt put that sort of thing aside if you ask them in advance but you've already said you don't have one near you (which, again, is probably a reflection that not enough people are looking for that sort of thing).ugo.santalucia said:and yet... once we spent an afternoon looking for calf liver... impossible to find. We are bombarded by chefs telling us to use this cut and that... all impossible to find. I bet I could make a good trade as a butcher selling only cuts that supermarkets don't want to sell.
Point is that it’s wrong to think that meat for pets wouldn’t have another way to be used…
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its an offally bad argument tbh.....First.Aspect said:Ugo, there is more offal than Gordon Ramsey can use. Please don't worry that my cats will suffer from an offal shortage and need to start to eat prime cuts.
Actually, I don't know why I'm even trying to respond to something this daft..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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You could break it down and inject it into chicken. Oh, wait they already do that. Or dry it and sell it as offal jerkey. Or burn it in an oxygen depleted environment and sell it as offal charcoal. Or make offal soup, to compete with the vast global oxtail soup market...ugo.santalucia said:
Maybe not the organic, which maybe goes to restaurants, but the lower welfare one probably ends up in a different trade…First.Aspect said:
Because of dogs?ugo.santalucia said:
No... we looked at online retailers of organic quality meats too. They all have it in their catalogue, but was sold out everywhere. Interestingly, there was no shortage of ribeye available... to me this suggests the demand is there but the supply chain doesn't exist.Pross said:
It would have been impossible to find because there isn't enough of a market to justify anyone selling them. I think you are seriously over-estimating how many people actually bother cooking from scratch let alone trying the fancy dishes TV chefs demonstrate. A proper butcher, one that actually takes a whole animal and chops it up themselves, would no doubt put that sort of thing aside if you ask them in advance but you've already said you don't have one near you (which, again, is probably a reflection that not enough people are looking for that sort of thing).ugo.santalucia said:and yet... once we spent an afternoon looking for calf liver... impossible to find. We are bombarded by chefs telling us to use this cut and that... all impossible to find. I bet I could make a good trade as a butcher selling only cuts that supermarkets don't want to sell.
Point is that it’s wrong to think that meat for pets wouldn’t have another way to be used…
Basically, I don't think you have convinced anyone that pet food competes with anything other than landfill.0 -
To be fair it sounds like the wrong dog for the circumstances - a mature dog maybe of a different breed
God that takes me back - my mum used to have a red one - even then it was a quirky looking vehicle.wavefront said:Just bought this book and about to read through and hope it’s as thought provoking as this thread. I love cars, but unlike many not a fan of pointless german performance wagons, preferring things like the Citroen Aimi ping+CSS
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Even if you were right, that still leaves a product that needs extensive processing, hence a lot of CO2 to be made into pellets or whatever it ends up being. There is no denying that most pets are an environmental disaster and serve no real purpose, and it could easily be avoidable, probably to the benefit of society as a whole.First.Aspect said:
You could break it down and inject it into chicken. Oh, wait they already do that. Or dry it and sell it as offal jerkey. Or burn it in an oxygen depleted environment and sell it as offal charcoal. Or make offal soup, to compete with the vast global oxtail soup market...ugo.santalucia said:
Maybe not the organic, which maybe goes to restaurants, but the lower welfare one probably ends up in a different trade…First.Aspect said:
Because of dogs?ugo.santalucia said:
No... we looked at online retailers of organic quality meats too. They all have it in their catalogue, but was sold out everywhere. Interestingly, there was no shortage of ribeye available... to me this suggests the demand is there but the supply chain doesn't exist.Pross said:
It would have been impossible to find because there isn't enough of a market to justify anyone selling them. I think you are seriously over-estimating how many people actually bother cooking from scratch let alone trying the fancy dishes TV chefs demonstrate. A proper butcher, one that actually takes a whole animal and chops it up themselves, would no doubt put that sort of thing aside if you ask them in advance but you've already said you don't have one near you (which, again, is probably a reflection that not enough people are looking for that sort of thing).ugo.santalucia said:and yet... once we spent an afternoon looking for calf liver... impossible to find. We are bombarded by chefs telling us to use this cut and that... all impossible to find. I bet I could make a good trade as a butcher selling only cuts that supermarkets don't want to sell.
Point is that it’s wrong to think that meat for pets wouldn’t have another way to be used…
Basically, I don't think you have convinced anyone that pet food competes with anything other than landfill.
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There’s only one species on this planet that is an environmental disaster. Everything else stems from the mess that species has made of the world they inhabit.ugo.santalucia said:
Even if you were right, that still leaves a product that needs extensive processing, hence a lot of CO2 to be made into pellets or whatever it ends up being. There is no denying that most pets are an environmental disaster and serve no real purpose, and it could easily be avoidable, probably to the benefit of society as a whole.First.Aspect said:
You could break it down and inject it into chicken. Oh, wait they already do that. Or dry it and sell it as offal jerkey. Or burn it in an oxygen depleted environment and sell it as offal charcoal. Or make offal soup, to compete with the vast global oxtail soup market...ugo.santalucia said:
Maybe not the organic, which maybe goes to restaurants, but the lower welfare one probably ends up in a different trade…First.Aspect said:
Because of dogs?ugo.santalucia said:
No... we looked at online retailers of organic quality meats too. They all have it in their catalogue, but was sold out everywhere. Interestingly, there was no shortage of ribeye available... to me this suggests the demand is there but the supply chain doesn't exist.Pross said:
It would have been impossible to find because there isn't enough of a market to justify anyone selling them. I think you are seriously over-estimating how many people actually bother cooking from scratch let alone trying the fancy dishes TV chefs demonstrate. A proper butcher, one that actually takes a whole animal and chops it up themselves, would no doubt put that sort of thing aside if you ask them in advance but you've already said you don't have one near you (which, again, is probably a reflection that not enough people are looking for that sort of thing).ugo.santalucia said:and yet... once we spent an afternoon looking for calf liver... impossible to find. We are bombarded by chefs telling us to use this cut and that... all impossible to find. I bet I could make a good trade as a butcher selling only cuts that supermarkets don't want to sell.
Point is that it’s wrong to think that meat for pets wouldn’t have another way to be used…
Basically, I don't think you have convinced anyone that pet food competes with anything other than landfill.0 -
like I said, if the meat wasn't being produced for human consumption anyway, you might have a point. But it is, so you don't.ugo.santalucia said:
Even if you were right, that still leaves a product that needs extensive processing, hence a lot of CO2 to be made into pellets or whatever it ends up being. There is no denying that most pets are an environmental disaster and serve no real purpose, and it could easily be avoidable, probably to the benefit of society as a whole.First.Aspect said:
You could break it down and inject it into chicken. Oh, wait they already do that. Or dry it and sell it as offal jerkey. Or burn it in an oxygen depleted environment and sell it as offal charcoal. Or make offal soup, to compete with the vast global oxtail soup market...ugo.santalucia said:
Maybe not the organic, which maybe goes to restaurants, but the lower welfare one probably ends up in a different trade…First.Aspect said:
Because of dogs?ugo.santalucia said:
No... we looked at online retailers of organic quality meats too. They all have it in their catalogue, but was sold out everywhere. Interestingly, there was no shortage of ribeye available... to me this suggests the demand is there but the supply chain doesn't exist.Pross said:
It would have been impossible to find because there isn't enough of a market to justify anyone selling them. I think you are seriously over-estimating how many people actually bother cooking from scratch let alone trying the fancy dishes TV chefs demonstrate. A proper butcher, one that actually takes a whole animal and chops it up themselves, would no doubt put that sort of thing aside if you ask them in advance but you've already said you don't have one near you (which, again, is probably a reflection that not enough people are looking for that sort of thing).ugo.santalucia said:and yet... once we spent an afternoon looking for calf liver... impossible to find. We are bombarded by chefs telling us to use this cut and that... all impossible to find. I bet I could make a good trade as a butcher selling only cuts that supermarkets don't want to sell.
Point is that it’s wrong to think that meat for pets wouldn’t have another way to be used…
Basically, I don't think you have convinced anyone that pet food competes with anything other than landfill.
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Ah, that's it, lambs' liver. Mmmm, get some, screw all this turkey, pigs in blankets boxxox.... Jings it has to be 10 years ? since I cooked some.Pross said:... but it has always tended to be lamb liver.
On an aside, as I am not in Ricktopia massive tower blocks and crowded streets world, today noticed that in the flock of sheeps now in the fields next door, big interconnected area with open gates, the flock keep wandering around as a gang, follow the Trussbot up the front #toryscum style, the backmarkers multiple all appeared to have hind leg issues, several of them limping on 3 legs.
a) trust it's not due to b3llend dogwalkers letting their mutts go crazy
b) gonna be more lamb chops and liver in the shops down the street soon enough.
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Drifting.....
Have I stumbled into Mumsnet by mistake?
Sometimes. Maybe. Possibly.
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Maybe it’s one for the irony thread but it’s only a few months ago when Ugo was an evangelist born again vegan. Now he’s complaining he can’t get sh!t cuts of meat.2
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again, quoted for posterity.ugo.santalucia said:
There is no denying that most pets are an environmental disaster and serve no real purpose, and it could easily be avoidable, probably to the benefit of society as a whole.First.Aspect said:
You could break it down and inject it into chicken. Oh, wait they already do that. Or dry it and sell it as offal jerkey. Or burn it in an oxygen depleted environment and sell it as offal charcoal. Or make offal soup, to compete with the vast global oxtail soup market...ugo.santalucia said:
Maybe not the organic, which maybe goes to restaurants, but the lower welfare one probably ends up in a different trade…First.Aspect said:
Because of dogs?ugo.santalucia said:
No... we looked at online retailers of organic quality meats too. They all have it in their catalogue, but was sold out everywhere. Interestingly, there was no shortage of ribeye available... to me this suggests the demand is there but the supply chain doesn't exist.Pross said:
It would have been impossible to find because there isn't enough of a market to justify anyone selling them. I think you are seriously over-estimating how many people actually bother cooking from scratch let alone trying the fancy dishes TV chefs demonstrate. A proper butcher, one that actually takes a whole animal and chops it up themselves, would no doubt put that sort of thing aside if you ask them in advance but you've already said you don't have one near you (which, again, is probably a reflection that not enough people are looking for that sort of thing).ugo.santalucia said:and yet... once we spent an afternoon looking for calf liver... impossible to find. We are bombarded by chefs telling us to use this cut and that... all impossible to find. I bet I could make a good trade as a butcher selling only cuts that supermarkets don't want to sell.
Point is that it’s wrong to think that meat for pets wouldn’t have another way to be used…
Basically, I don't think you have convinced anyone that pet food competes with anything other than landfill.
i presume you never had a hamster or guinea pig when growing up?.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Yossina youslag!photonic69 said:Drifting.....
Have I stumbled into Mumsnet by mistake?.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Ugo should try living in one of those countries where they eat pets. Sounds like a win-win for him.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]2 -
I said I was going to do Vegan January, which I did. Didn’t notice a meaningful improvement in anything, so I went back to being omnivore. I might try again in the New Year…webboo said:Maybe it’s one for the irony thread but it’s only a few months ago when Ugo was an evangelist born again vegan. Now he’s complaining he can’t get sh!t cuts of meat.
It would be a good thing to be… if I could stick to it
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You were preaching on about how any one didn’t eat meat but ate dairy were the spawn of the devil or something similar. A bit like an ex smoker.ugo.santalucia said:
I said I was going to do Vegan January, which I did. Didn’t notice a meaningful improvement in anything, so I went back to being omnivore. I might try again in the New Year…webboo said:Maybe it’s one for the irony thread but it’s only a few months ago when Ugo was an evangelist born again vegan. Now he’s complaining he can’t get sh!t cuts of meat.
It would be a good thing to be… if I could stick to it
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not it wouldn'tugo.santalucia said:
I said I was going to do Vegan January, which I did. Didn’t notice a meaningful improvement in anything, so I went back to being omnivore. I might try again in the New Year…webboo said:Maybe it’s one for the irony thread but it’s only a few months ago when Ugo was an evangelist born again vegan. Now he’s complaining he can’t get sh!t cuts of meat.
It would be a good thing to be… if I could stick to it
its a joyless, souless, empty, cold way of life, devoid of joy and happiness.
you'd also have to buy a whole new wardrobe to proclaim to everyone that you're a vegan and a dullard..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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It is also necessary to bang on about it relentlessly, judge others, and make going for a meal with friends just really annoying because you are so special.MattFalle said:
not it wouldn'tugo.santalucia said:
I said I was going to do Vegan January, which I did. Didn’t notice a meaningful improvement in anything, so I went back to being omnivore. I might try again in the New Year…webboo said:Maybe it’s one for the irony thread but it’s only a few months ago when Ugo was an evangelist born again vegan. Now he’s complaining he can’t get sh!t cuts of meat.
It would be a good thing to be… if I could stick to it
its a joyless, souless, empty, cold way of life, devoid of joy and happiness.
you'd also have to buy a whole new wardrobe to proclaim to everyone that you're a vegan and a dullard.
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Spot on. How could you enjoy 14th March if you're vegan?MattFalle said:
not it wouldn'tugo.santalucia said:
I said I was going to do Vegan January, which I did. Didn’t notice a meaningful improvement in anything, so I went back to being omnivore. I might try again in the New Year…webboo said:Maybe it’s one for the irony thread but it’s only a few months ago when Ugo was an evangelist born again vegan. Now he’s complaining he can’t get sh!t cuts of meat.
It would be a good thing to be… if I could stick to it
its a joyless, souless, empty, cold way of life, devoid of joy and happiness.
you'd also have to buy a whole new wardrobe to proclaim to everyone that you're a vegan and a dullard.
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The only thing worse than vegans are people who prerend to be gluten intolerant because they get a bit farty after an entire loaf of bread, and then interrogate the poor bast@rd waiter about the gluten content of every option on the menu.0
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vegans who don't drink.
just what's the point? a life devoid of tastes..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Why don't you meatheads get a personality instead of banging on about your diets?1
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Betty.joeyhalloran said:Why don't you meatheads get a personality instead of banging on about your diets?
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Good to see you chaps aren't just annoyed about bikes (oddly enough) but that it's a catch all thread for general moaning.
Ironically started because the car thread had gone off topic - Genesis Croix de Fer
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Betty.joeyhalloran said:Why don't you meatheads get a personality instead of banging on about your diets?
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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why the "oddly"?pangolin said:Good to see you chaps aren't just annoyed about bikes (oddly enough) but that it's a catch all thread for general moaning.
Ironically started because the car thread had gone off topic.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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are you one of "them"?joeyhalloran said:Why don't you meatheads get a personality instead of banging on about your diets?
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Are you vegan by any chance?joeyhalloran said:Why don't you meatheads get a personality instead of banging on about your diets?
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