The Big 'Let's sell our cars and take buses/ebikes instead' thread (warning: probably very dull)
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Not a problem for me, I usually do a mixed commute of either drive and bike; drive, train and tube; or walk, train and tube. And don't pay Sadiq for the privilege.briantrumpet said:The thing is, at least London has half-decent alternatives to driving a car from the peripheries. And if people still insist on finding excuses for not using them, then they can't really justifiably moan about having to pay for ignoring the alternatives.
But what about the people who live there or have to drive and can't afford to upgrade their car?"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I always walk up the local shop if I need anything, you do get some feckless types who would use their car for any trips no matter how short.
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BMW claims my i3 is capable of doing 186 miles on a fully charged battery.ugo.santalucia said:Interestingly, the latter has a lot more range per “charge” of juice.
Except in winter temperatures, so anything sub 5 deg C, the fully charged battery only displays 175 miles of available range. Turn on the demister and that immediately drops to 150 miles. The range will then be dropping 1.5-2 miles per 1 mile driven depending on the speed and how often I need to accelerate. So much for believing in the manufacturer's claimed range for EVs.
Also, add the cost of purchase and installation of a home charger, which can easily be a grand for a decent rated one, and still if the installation is a simple one.
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Stevo_666 said:
Not a problem for me, I usually do a mixed commute of either drive and bike; drive, train and tube; or walk, train and tube. And don't pay Sadiq for the privilege.briantrumpet said:The thing is, at least London has half-decent alternatives to driving a car from the peripheries. And if people still insist on finding excuses for not using them, then they can't really justifiably moan about having to pay for ignoring the alternatives.
But what about the people who live there or have to drive and can't afford to upgrade their car?
They'll need to change something... unfortunately, change will always hurt the least-well-off most. I suppose the government could tax those who can afford to pay more tax to cushion the blow...0 -
Thread title sounds sensible. Disappointing content.2
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The thing with the ULEZ is that you pay as much for a car parked up and not moving in the zone as you would have if you were constantly driving within the area. It makes no sense to me. I had to take mine in with all my daughter’s stuff for the Uni term and other than a trip to the supermarket the car was parked up in a private car park for the next 24 hours with all journeys by foot or public transport. It was also a PITA to pay the charge as I had to create an account with TfL.
It doesn’t really seem to be doing what it is supposed to do.0 -
Transport in London is very good for getting from the suburbs to the centre, but how good is it for getting between suburbs? Eg Wimbledon to Bromley, or Wembley to Stratford for example?briantrumpet said:The thing is, at least London has half-decent alternatives to driving a car from the peripheries. And if people still insist on finding excuses for not using them, then they can't really justifiably moan about having to pay for ignoring the alternatives.
It used to be really difficult on public transport but may have changed. Inner M25 residents?0 -
Pross said:
The thing with the ULEZ is that you pay as much for a car parked up and not moving in the zone as you would have if you were constantly driving within the area. It makes no sense to me. I had to take mine in with all my daughter’s stuff for the Uni term and other than a trip to the supermarket the car was parked up in a private car park for the next 24 hours with all journeys by foot or public transport. It was also a PITA to pay the charge as I had to create an account with TfL.
It doesn’t really seem to be doing what it is supposed to do.
That's fair criticism. Seems to be an argument for road pricing... the technology is more than capable now of a well-targeted system.0 -
TheBigBean said:
Thread title sounds sensible. Disappointing content.
What are you looking for? We're only three pages in so far, admittedly without the input of Transport Commissioner Chasey.0 -
Supreme President is the title you mean.briantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:Thread title sounds sensible. Disappointing content.
What are you looking for? We're only three pages in so far, admittedly without the input of Transport Commissioner Chasey.
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TheBigBean said:
Thread title sounds sensible. Disappointing content.
It always bemused me how few cycle club committee members cycled to the meetings, when I was on the committee.0 -
Why ?What time were the meetings, and how far did the committee members have to travel?briantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:Thread title sounds sensible. Disappointing content.
It always bemused me how few cycle club committee members cycled to the meetings, when I was on the committee.0 -
It’s not that great for getting around on a Sunday night either. My daughter went back to Uni last Sunday evening. Caught the bus from Newport to Victoria (first one she could get after the event she’d come home for) and it was touch and go whether she could make it onto her change of Tube line before the final train which was around midnight. Luckily the bus got in on time so she made it.
This weekend she had to change from the cheap, advanced rail ticket bought months ago that would have been a 1:45 journey to a bus that took over 4:00 hours.0 -
I see endless pleading from my local MP to sign a pointless petition against the ULEZ. Quite enjoy replying. 😀1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Dorset_Boy said:
Why ?What time were the meetings, and how far did the committee members have to travel?briantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:Thread title sounds sensible. Disappointing content.
It always bemused me how few cycle club committee members cycled to the meetings, when I was on the committee.
Most of the committee members then lived within two or three miles of the pubs where we held meetings - I was probably one of the furthest out. All well lit roads into the city centre.0 -
Yet we’re going to get everyone using bikes / e-bikes for all local trips and the ‘last mile’ elements of longer journey’s apparently.briantrumpet said:Dorset_Boy said:
Why ?What time were the meetings, and how far did the committee members have to travel?briantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:Thread title sounds sensible. Disappointing content.
It always bemused me how few cycle club committee members cycled to the meetings, when I was on the committee.
Most of the committee members then lived within two or three miles of the pubs where we held meetings - I was probably one of the furthest out. All well lit roads into the city centre.0 -
Pross said:
Yet we’re going to get everyone using bikes / e-bikes for all local trips and the ‘last mile’ elements of longer journey’s apparently.briantrumpet said:Dorset_Boy said:
Why ?What time were the meetings, and how far did the committee members have to travel?briantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:Thread title sounds sensible. Disappointing content.
It always bemused me how few cycle club committee members cycled to the meetings, when I was on the committee.
Most of the committee members then lived within two or three miles of the pubs where we held meetings - I was probably one of the furthest out. All well lit roads into the city centre.
It's even more bemusing, as you can get away with drinking more beer (at least in legal terms) when riding a bike: there's no compunction to take a breathalyser if stopped by PC Plod.0 -
Amsterdam is currently in the process of removing 10,000 on street parking places from the city, from the photos some of the roads they've done this too look like a much nicer place to live, work, walk and cycle.
There are some people for whom public transport will never work, but many people use 'the disabled' or 'the less well off' as arguments against replacing private car usage with other transport plans. However these are two groups that have high levels of non-drivers and would likely benefit from proper alternatives. And it could start with space to drive a mobility scooter on the pavement, something which you cant do on the residential ratrun where I live.0 -
no we're not. of course we're not.Pross said:
Yet we’re going to get everyone using bikes / e-bikes for all local trips and the ‘last mile’ elements of longer journey’s apparently.briantrumpet said:Dorset_Boy said:
Why ?What time were the meetings, and how far did the committee members have to travel?briantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:Thread title sounds sensible. Disappointing content.
It always bemused me how few cycle club committee members cycled to the meetings, when I was on the committee.
Most of the committee members then lived within two or three miles of the pubs where we held meetings - I was probably one of the furthest out. All well lit roads into the city centre.
its bleedin' obvious we're not..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Help us improve it then.TheBigBean said:Thread title sounds sensible. Disappointing content.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
No sh!t !!MattFalle said:
no we're not. of course we're not.Pross said:
Yet we’re going to get everyone using bikes / e-bikes for all local trips and the ‘last mile’ elements of longer journey’s apparently.briantrumpet said:Dorset_Boy said:
Why ?What time were the meetings, and how far did the committee members have to travel?briantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:Thread title sounds sensible. Disappointing content.
It always bemused me how few cycle club committee members cycled to the meetings, when I was on the committee.
Most of the committee members then lived within two or three miles of the pubs where we held meetings - I was probably one of the furthest out. All well lit roads into the city centre.
its bleedin' obvious we're not.0 -
I'm quite enjoying the fact that keen cyclists can't be convinced that bikes are the solution. General public? Not a snowflake chance in hell.MattFalle said:
no we're not. of course we're not.Pross said:
Yet we’re going to get everyone using bikes / e-bikes for all local trips and the ‘last mile’ elements of longer journey’s apparently.briantrumpet said:Dorset_Boy said:
Why ?What time were the meetings, and how far did the committee members have to travel?briantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:Thread title sounds sensible. Disappointing content.
It always bemused me how few cycle club committee members cycled to the meetings, when I was on the committee.
Most of the committee members then lived within two or three miles of the pubs where we held meetings - I was probably one of the furthest out. All well lit roads into the city centre.
its bleedin' obvious we're not.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Or they could focus on easier ways to cut carbon emissions... tax on meat Vs VAT relief on plant based protein.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Not a problem for me, I usually do a mixed commute of either drive and bike; drive, train and tube; or walk, train and tube. And don't pay Sadiq for the privilege.briantrumpet said:The thing is, at least London has half-decent alternatives to driving a car from the peripheries. And if people still insist on finding excuses for not using them, then they can't really justifiably moan about having to pay for ignoring the alternatives.
But what about the people who live there or have to drive and can't afford to upgrade their car?
They'll need to change something... unfortunately, change will always hurt the least-well-off most. I suppose the government could tax those who can afford to pay more tax to cushion the blow...
Tax on dog ownership... it is believed a mid size dog has the same environmental impact of a mid size SUV.left the forum March 20230 -
Say what now?ugo.santalucia said:
Or they could focus on easier ways to cut carbon emissions... tax on meat Vs VAT relief on plant based protein.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Not a problem for me, I usually do a mixed commute of either drive and bike; drive, train and tube; or walk, train and tube. And don't pay Sadiq for the privilege.briantrumpet said:The thing is, at least London has half-decent alternatives to driving a car from the peripheries. And if people still insist on finding excuses for not using them, then they can't really justifiably moan about having to pay for ignoring the alternatives.
But what about the people who live there or have to drive and can't afford to upgrade their car?
They'll need to change something... unfortunately, change will always hurt the least-well-off most. I suppose the government could tax those who can afford to pay more tax to cushion the blow...
Tax on dog ownership... it is believed a mid size dog has the same environmental impact of a mid size SUV.0 -
So far! But we don’t yet have knowledge of the long term effects.First.Aspect said:
Vaping is less bad than smoking. But it is still more bad than not vaping.morstar said:
Misled.First.Aspect said:
Quite happy with my move to diesel given the driving I was doing and it was the encouraged choice. Now diesels are persona non-grata. My expectation is the fuel will become prohibitively expensive in years to come vs petrol (let alone when electric becomes default).
I anticipate vaping will be found to be very bad in years to come having been encouraged as a better than smoking choice.
If you accept human respiratory issues as collateral, diesel is better.0 -
I don't think you have to pay for being parked up.
How do they know you are there if you don't drive past one of the cameras?Pross said:The thing with the ULEZ is that you pay as much for a car parked up and not moving in the zone as you would have if you were constantly driving within the area. It makes no sense to me. I had to take mine in with all my daughter’s stuff for the Uni term and other than a trip to the supermarket the car was parked up in a private car park for the next 24 hours with all journeys by foot or public transport. It was also a PITA to pay the charge as I had to create an account with TfL.
It doesn’t really seem to be doing what it is supposed to do.0 -
Yep, my mistake sorry but in my case I spent the same for entering it by a few miles on the Saturday and then doing the reverse on the Sunday as I would have if I’d spent two days constantly driving around inside the zone. It should be more intelligent than that.monkimark said:I don't think you have to pay for being parked up.
How do they know you are there if you don't drive past one of the cameras?Pross said:The thing with the ULEZ is that you pay as much for a car parked up and not moving in the zone as you would have if you were constantly driving within the area. It makes no sense to me. I had to take mine in with all my daughter’s stuff for the Uni term and other than a trip to the supermarket the car was parked up in a private car park for the next 24 hours with all journeys by foot or public transport. It was also a PITA to pay the charge as I had to create an account with TfL.
It doesn’t really seem to be doing what it is supposed to do.0 -
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but in Ricktopia all will follow the word of the Mighty Rickpblakeney said:
I'm quite enjoying the fact that keen cyclists can't be convinced that bikes are the solution. General public? Not a snowflake chance in hell.MattFalle said:
no we're not. of course we're not.Pross said:
Yet we’re going to get everyone using bikes / e-bikes for all local trips and the ‘last mile’ elements of longer journey’s apparently.briantrumpet said:Dorset_Boy said:
Why ?What time were the meetings, and how far did the committee members have to travel?briantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:Thread title sounds sensible. Disappointing content.
It always bemused me how few cycle club committee members cycled to the meetings, when I was on the committee.
Most of the committee members then lived within two or three miles of the pubs where we held meetings - I was probably one of the furthest out. All well lit roads into the city centre.
its bleedin' obvious we're not..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Think you have completely missed the point of the ULEZ. Last I checked, dogs don't emit NOX, or particulates.ugo.santalucia said:
Or they could focus on easier ways to cut carbon emissions... tax on meat Vs VAT relief on plant based protein.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Not a problem for me, I usually do a mixed commute of either drive and bike; drive, train and tube; or walk, train and tube. And don't pay Sadiq for the privilege.briantrumpet said:The thing is, at least London has half-decent alternatives to driving a car from the peripheries. And if people still insist on finding excuses for not using them, then they can't really justifiably moan about having to pay for ignoring the alternatives.
But what about the people who live there or have to drive and can't afford to upgrade their car?
They'll need to change something... unfortunately, change will always hurt the least-well-off most. I suppose the government could tax those who can afford to pay more tax to cushion the blow...
Tax on dog ownership... it is believed a mid size dog has the same environmental impact of a mid size SUV.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
There was an article about it and I don't struggle to believe it... I had a dog for 6 months and the amount of destruction and waste produced over the period was staggeringmorstar said:
Say what now?ugo.santalucia said:
Or they could focus on easier ways to cut carbon emissions... tax on meat Vs VAT relief on plant based protein.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:
Not a problem for me, I usually do a mixed commute of either drive and bike; drive, train and tube; or walk, train and tube. And don't pay Sadiq for the privilege.briantrumpet said:The thing is, at least London has half-decent alternatives to driving a car from the peripheries. And if people still insist on finding excuses for not using them, then they can't really justifiably moan about having to pay for ignoring the alternatives.
But what about the people who live there or have to drive and can't afford to upgrade their car?
They'll need to change something... unfortunately, change will always hurt the least-well-off most. I suppose the government could tax those who can afford to pay more tax to cushion the blow...
Tax on dog ownership... it is believed a mid size dog has the same environmental impact of a mid size SUV.left the forum March 20230
