THE WOLLONGONG WORLDS... SPOILERS
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I was relying on this reported police statement
"The Alpecin-Deceuninck rider was charged with two counts of common assault and fined 1,500 Australian dollars (£909) after a confrontation with the girls, aged 13 and 14."
The twitter pst above (from Jose Bean) probably says the same thing in Dutch0 -
In which case questions should be asked, and answered.flite said:I was relying on this reported police statement
"The Alpecin-Deceuninck rider was charged with two counts of common assault and fined 1,500 Australian dollars (£909) after a confrontation with the girls, aged 13 and 14."
The twitter pst above (from Jose Bean) probably says the same thing in DutchThe above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
If you were convicted of assaulting a 13 and 14 year old in the UK you be also guilty of child abuse. Which leads to all sorts of complications in regard to your own family.0
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Do keep up. 😉Wheelspinner said:
I responded to that information an hour ago.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
What I don't understand is why there isn't a system in place to protect against interference of such kind for the athletes.
Why is he in that hotel? Was that his choice?
It seems like his career is being managed terribly. He pretty much owns WVA head to head and yet I'd say WVA's career is being managed fantastically. He is fit and ready at the right points. It really seems like MvdP wins despite a bunch of poor & self inflicted choices, instead of being put in the best situation to succeed. The lion share of blame rests on his shoulders here.
Also, the messaging of the team boss was horrendous around the incident. Probably down to having to speak in English, but horrendous none the less. From a messaging point him calling the girls children instead of teenagers evocates a entirely different picture regarding MvdP's alleged "assault". Saying he is "mentally broken" prior to the RR is equally terrible PR.
I also wonder if the teenagers then lied about the assault. Especially since MvdP is allowed to leave Australia after paying a fine which his lawyer is appealing.
Why is there no person employed as a minder for the athletes? The same person they always call to handle whatever the issue is preventing them from focusing on their main objective. Didn't Dave Brailsford handle such issues for example or have such a person in place? Rich's example of Juraj Sagan is good too. But it could simply be a sensible person versed in PR.
This whole story is so weird. I'm left with more questions than answers. In either case, I think a lion share of the blame rests with MvdP and the Dutch federation. They need to develop a system that ensures success. Clearly that isn't the case when you also look back on the ramp issue he had during the Tokyo Olympics.PTP Champion 2019, 2022 & 20231 -
He was moved to a different floor than the rest of the team as he had cold-like symptoms is what I heard0
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If they really were 13/14 year old girls and were going around hotel corridors banging on the doors of strangers, they have got off lightly. The police need to sit them and their parents down and explain in graphic terms what the consequence could have been if they had knocked on the "wrong" door.
A accept that there is a lot I/we don't know about the situation, but parents must take some responsibility.0 -
But wasn't he in a hotel at the Sydney airport instead of close to the start location? Were the entire Dutch team there or just him? Was the female Dutch team also staying in that hotel?r0bh said:He was moved to a different floor than the rest of the team as he had cold-like symptoms is what I heard
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According to TCP - who weren't in possession of all the facts either - the dutch team were all there but he was on a different floor with his gf.
I suspect we'll find out in due course but yeah, I think the behaviour of the girls may be called into question if it went anywhere near a court and I suspect that might be why it might all blow over rather quietly.
Still...not a good worlds for Mathieu...
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Dutch hotel was roughly same travel time from Helensburgh start as that for those teams based in downtown Wollongong, and arguably an easier drive than for the Belgians and Slovaks at Headlands.m.r.m. said:
But wasn't he in a hotel at the Sydney airport instead of close to the start location? Were the entire Dutch team there or just him? Was the female Dutch team also staying in that hotel?r0bh said:He was moved to a different floor than the rest of the team as he had cold-like symptoms is what I heard
dutch = motorway
Belgie = winding coast & mountain pass
Dutch hotel had full gym & spa & private conference & dining rooms .
Belgians and Slovaks were dining with us mere mortals... But all respectful cycling fans there for the race.
Whereas the Dutch stayed on equivalent of a Britannia hotel on Brighton prom that I believe was used as a quarantine hotel.
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That hotel is not far from Sydney airport, true. It’s also probably the furthest south of all the half-decent hotels on the way out of town, so not surprising it was used.m.r.m. said:
But wasn't he in a hotel at the Sydney airport instead of close to the start location? Were the entire Dutch team there or just him? Was the female Dutch team also staying in that hotel?r0bh said:He was moved to a different floor than the rest of the team as he had cold-like symptoms is what I heard
The race start was (I believe) in Helensburgh, which is a small town roughly halfway between Sydney and Wollongong. There aren’t any hotels there at all. Staying down in Wollongong would have been no closer really to the start location than where they were.
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either way, we can conject all we want, but not being part of the Dutch, Belgian or whoever management team we have no idea why anyone chose any of the hotels.
i blame Expedia.
#ifWiggledidhotels.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Everything seems to have been turned up to 11 for what could have been avoided.
Nobody comes out of this well.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
I've got a lot of sympathy for VdP here because I hate being kept awake by inconsiderate people and it being deliberate and on the eve of the Worlds would cause me to flip.
I wonder who called the police - if I was the dad of one of these girls I think my response would be it was 6 of one half a dozen of the other.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
Tbh, I'd also take the daily heil with a pinch of neo nazi salt - if he did chase a 13 and a 14 y.o girls into a hotel room in presumably his pants because he was asleep and assaulted both of them you'd expect more than 2 or 3 hours max in a custody suite and a AUD1,400 fine that is being appealed against.
now i'm not saying that the heilis a dirty racist horrible shitmongering pile of filth read by racists and bigots and people whowankoff over thatcher and truss and you shouldn't believe a word of it, but it is..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Despite the highly biased reporting, the majority of the responding comments are critical of the two girls and the lack of control by their parents .
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The 'Heil' as MF quite rightly calls it is only really interested in clicks. Don't think it's a case of Australians hating cyclist so much as a flashy headline about a professional athlete (a blaahdy foreigner at that!) assaulting two teenage girls to get internet traffic. They're not really bothered about whether the comments agree with the article or not but the "I blame the parents" style comments do seem in line with DM posters that I've seen in the past tbh.flite said:Despite the highly biased reporting, the majority of the responding comments are critical of the two girls and the lack of control by their parents .
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Says something about the race that this is the biggest story, alas.
Wasn't all that, was it? Good ride and all but hardly set anyone's imagination on fire.1 -
I thought it was exciting up until the point Remco rode off and just kept extending the gap - but overall I didn't think it was too bad
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It was an incredible ride - to do exactly what everyone expected him to try, and succeed again is ridiculous.rick_chasey said:Says something about the race that this is the biggest story, alas.
Wasn't all that, was it? Good ride and all but hardly set anyone's imagination on fire.
This thread is pretty accurate:
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I've been in this exact situation on a work trip, but I just called reception and got them bollocked. However, I wasn't competing in any world championships the next day, so I probably wasn't quite as stressed about being woken up at 3am...........DeVlaeminck said:I've got a lot of sympathy for VdP here because I hate being kept awake by inconsiderate people and it being deliberate and on the eve of the Worlds would cause me to flip.
I wonder who called the police - if I was the dad of one of these girls I think my response would be it was 6 of one half a dozen of the other.
I think grabbing them was rash and a bad idea but I understand why he did it.0 -
Jose Been has now deleted her twitter account after she insinuated that because MvdP was in his boxers [he was asleep...] it was sexual assault. She inevitably got backlash for that and then quit in a huff.flite said:I was relying on this reported police statement
"The Alpecin-Deceuninck rider was charged with two counts of common assault and fined 1,500 Australian dollars (£909) after a confrontation with the girls, aged 13 and 14."
The twitter pst above (from Jose Bean) probably says the same thing in Dutch
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I'm not arguing with your point but it needs a correction.bobmcstuff said:
I've been in this exact situation on a work trip, but I just called reception and got them bollocked. However, I wasn't competing in any world championships the next day, so I probably wasn't quite as stressed about being woken up at 3am...........DeVlaeminck said:I've got a lot of sympathy for VdP here because I hate being kept awake by inconsiderate people and it being deliberate and on the eve of the Worlds would cause me to flip.
I wonder who called the police - if I was the dad of one of these girls I think my response would be it was 6 of one half a dozen of the other.
I think grabbing them was rash and a bad idea but I understand why he did it.
The disturbance was at around 10:45pm. He was at the station and got back to his room around 4.00am.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Yeah but I was! Something like that anyway, might have been a bit earlier to be honest, I don't really remember.pblakeney said:
I'm not arguing with your point but it needs a correction.bobmcstuff said:
I've been in this exact situation on a work trip, but I just called reception and got them bollocked. However, I wasn't competing in any world championships the next day, so I probably wasn't quite as stressed about being woken up at 3am...........DeVlaeminck said:I've got a lot of sympathy for VdP here because I hate being kept awake by inconsiderate people and it being deliberate and on the eve of the Worlds would cause me to flip.
I wonder who called the police - if I was the dad of one of these girls I think my response would be it was 6 of one half a dozen of the other.
I think grabbing them was rash and a bad idea but I understand why he did it.
The disturbance was at around 10:45pm. He was at the station and got back to his room around 4.00am.0 -
Fair.bobmcstuff said:
Yeah but I was! Something like that anyway, might have been a bit earlier to be honest, I don't really remember.pblakeney said:
I'm not arguing with your point but it needs a correction.bobmcstuff said:
I've been in this exact situation on a work trip, but I just called reception and got them bollocked. However, I wasn't competing in any world championships the next day, so I probably wasn't quite as stressed about being woken up at 3am...........DeVlaeminck said:I've got a lot of sympathy for VdP here because I hate being kept awake by inconsiderate people and it being deliberate and on the eve of the Worlds would cause me to flip.
I wonder who called the police - if I was the dad of one of these girls I think my response would be it was 6 of one half a dozen of the other.
I think grabbing them was rash and a bad idea but I understand why he did it.
The disturbance was at around 10:45pm. He was at the station and got back to his room around 4.00am.
I thought you were talking about MvdP as that was how it was first reported.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
bobmcstuff said:
Jose Been has now deleted her twitter account after she insinuated that because MvdP was in his boxers [he was asleep...] it was sexual assault. She inevitably got backlash for that and then quit in a huff.flite said:I was relying on this reported police statement
"The Alpecin-Deceuninck rider was charged with two counts of common assault and fined 1,500 Australian dollars (£909) after a confrontation with the girls, aged 13 and 14."
The twitter pst above (from Jose Bean) probably says the same thing in Dutch
I hadn't twigged that she had quit, but yeah, I thought her reaction was pretty OTT.bobmcstuff said:
Jose Been has now deleted her twitter account after she insinuated that because MvdP was in his boxers [he was asleep...] it was sexual assault. She inevitably got backlash for that and then quit in a huff.flite said:I was relying on this reported police statement
"The Alpecin-Deceuninck rider was charged with two counts of common assault and fined 1,500 Australian dollars (£909) after a confrontation with the girls, aged 13 and 14."
The twitter pst above (from Jose Bean) probably says the same thing in Dutch
His reaction all made sense to me, in that I could see how he got to that situation, and also that he'd made a hash of it. Fair of him to accept and own it too.
The girsls fathers latest comments make it clear the type of people they are, I reckon? No responsibility.2020/2021/2022 Metric Century Challenge Winner2 -
Shame, Jose Been is a sensitive soul, she takes a kicking frequently, and in many cases unfairly.bobmcstuff said:
Jose Been has now deleted her twitter account after she insinuated that because MvdP was in his boxers [he was asleep...] it was sexual assault. She inevitably got backlash for that and then quit in a huff.
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