Mourning stupidity

surrey_commuter

rick_chasey said:

Never got through the World at War. Too old for me and by the time I got round to it I knew most of it already from reading from elsewhere.

I much prefer the Cold War documentary from the 90s, but I watched it pre-university, so presumably with an uncritical eye.

I got really annoyed with the Vietnam documentary. Southern Vietnamese don't even get a look in on that one. Generally it's heavy on tropes and I don't think I learned very much from it. Some of the stories are good, sure.

Your critics s are valid but surely to say it is over rated you have to be able to hold up some easy examples of series that were done better?

TheBigBean

surrey_commuter said:

rick_chasey said:

Never got through the World at War. Too old for me and by the time I got round to it I knew most of it already from reading from elsewhere.

I much prefer the Cold War documentary from the 90s, but I watched it pre-university, so presumably with an uncritical eye.

I got really annoyed with the Vietnam documentary. Southern Vietnamese don't even get a look in on that one. Generally it's heavy on tropes and I don't think I learned very much from it. Some of the stories are good, sure.

Your critics s are valid but surely to say it is over rated you have to be able to hold up some easy examples of series that were done better?

Are you interested in all wars or just those of a certain era? e.g. Korean War?

N0bodyOfTheGoat

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62879563

Center Parcs campuses will be closing for Monday's funeral.

How exactly is that going to work for those on weekend stays, that would normally be allowed to remain on campus all day, but don't have to leave their accomodation until 1000?

Presumably partial refund for weekenders, plus midweekers having the start of their stay delayed.

surrey_commuter

TheBigBean said:

surrey_commuter said:

rick_chasey said:

Never got through the World at War. Too old for me and by the time I got round to it I knew most of it already from reading from elsewhere.

I much prefer the Cold War documentary from the 90s, but I watched it pre-university, so presumably with an uncritical eye.

I got really annoyed with the Vietnam documentary. Southern Vietnamese don't even get a look in on that one. Generally it's heavy on tropes and I don't think I learned very much from it. Some of the stories are good, sure.

Your critics s are valid but surely to say it is over rated you have to be able to hold up some easy examples of series that were done better?

Are you interested in all wars or just those of a certain era? e.g. Korean War?

Tends to be major wars and after that things that trigger me ie going places or stumbling across a war.

One example is when I started working with Americans I felt I should learn about their history so the natural place for me was the Civil, Indian and Pacific Wars.

You have obviously been to Vietnam, did it not lead you to learning about their various wars?

Korea is close to being a forgotten war in the UK so that does intrigue me to find out more but none of my favourite authors have covered it

rick_chasey

YouTube has the entire BBC Cold War series:

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmFpuLsumHidmOqHk37PfB4NCR7G7mtbd

kingstongraham

I put Radio 5 on earlier and they were talking about Ukraine, so that's good.

I've been switching off as soon as I hear the sombre tone of voice up till now.

briantrumpet

rick_chasey said:

YouTube has the entire BBC Cold War series:

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmFpuLsumHidmOqHk37PfB4NCR7G7mtbd

Thanks. Might have a look at that. Didn't quite make it into my O Level History syllabus, as it was too recent, although I think we did look at the Cuban missile crisis briefly.

rick_chasey

As a general rule I would not ever use a TV programme as my primary source of knowledge on anything.

But it’s the programme that got me hooked on history, so it is monumental in my own mind.

Parents let me stay up to watch it etc.

surrey_commuter

briantrumpet said:

rick_chasey said:

YouTube has the entire BBC Cold War series:

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmFpuLsumHidmOqHk37PfB4NCR7G7mtbd

Thanks. Might have a look at that. Didn't quite make it into my O Level History syllabus, as it was too recent, although I think we did look at the Cuban missile crisis briefly.

+1

briantrumpet

rick_chasey said:

As a general rule I would not ever use a TV programme as my primary source of knowledge on anything.

But it’s the programme that got me hooked on history, so it is monumental in my own mind.

Parents let me stay up to watch it etc.

I learnt all I know about the Romans from the I Claudius documentary.

surrey_commuter

briantrumpet said:

rick_chasey said:

YouTube has the entire BBC Cold War series:

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmFpuLsumHidmOqHk37PfB4NCR7G7mtbd

Thanks. Might have a look at that. Didn't quite make it into my O Level History syllabus, as it was too recent, although I think we did look at the Cuban missile crisis briefly.

+1

surrey_commuter

N0bodyOfTheGoat said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62879563

Center Parcs campuses will be closing for Monday's funeral.

How exactly is that going to work for those on weekend stays, that would normally be allowed to remain on campus all day, but don't have to leave their accomodation until 1000?

Presumably partial refund for weekenders, plus midweekers having the start of their stay delayed.

why are they a campus and not a parc? why is the plural of campus not campi?

Is it normal never to have been to one?

mrb123

briantrumpet said:

rick_chasey said:

As a general rule I would not ever use a TV programme as my primary source of knowledge on anything.

But it’s the programme that got me hooked on history, so it is monumental in my own mind.

Parents let me stay up to watch it etc.

I learnt all I know about the Romans from the I Claudius documentary.

Not Up Pompeii?

N0bodyOfTheGoat

https://www.britishcycling.org.uk/about/article/20220909-about-bc-news-Guidance-for-the-period-of-National-Mourning-0

No cycling during the funeral service, you plebs... Or else!

kingstongraham

British Cycling strongly recommends that anybody out riding their bike on the day of the State Funeral does so outside of the timings of the funeral service and associated processions, which will be confirmed later this week. Once published, we will share the details of those timings on this page.

What's the reason for this? Surely unless you're daft enough to be riding through central London, anyone who's likely to be offended will be watching it on TV.

pangolin

Well now I want to go out for a ride

poweredbyidris

I'm deffo going out. Most Range Rover-types will be watching the funeral, and anyone out-and-about to tell me I'm being 'disrespectful' is being a tad hypocritical

TheBigBean

surrey_commuter said:

You have obviously been to Vietnam, did it not lead you to learning about their various wars?

Yes, I did learn a bit about the wars, but probably not specific battles or at least my memory is not that good. In general, I don't find the minor details of war to be particularly thrilling unless you happen to be in that exact place.

orraloon

poweredbyidris said:

I'm deffo going out. Most Range Rover-types will be watching the funeral, and anyone out-and-about to tell me I'm being 'disrespectful' is being a tad hypocritical

And another deffo going out. With a ghetto blaster and a specific Sex Pistols track.

kingstongraham

orraloon said:

poweredbyidris said:

I'm deffo going out. Most Range Rover-types will be watching the funeral, and anyone out-and-about to tell me I'm being 'disrespectful' is being a tad hypocritical

And another deffo going out. With a ghetto blaster and a specific Sex Pistols track.

They'd have this one https://youtu.be/3K3uAlyNL5o

Stevo_666

N0bodyOfTheGoat said:

https://www.britishcycling.org.uk/about/article/20220909-about-bc-news-Guidance-for-the-period-of-National-Mourning-0

No cycling during the funeral service, you plebs... Or else!

11am on Monday = perfect time for a ride. Already arranged one with a mate.

pblakeney

N0bodyOfTheGoat said:

https://www.britishcycling.org.uk/about/article/20220909-about-bc-news-Guidance-for-the-period-of-National-Mourning-0

No cycling during the funeral service, you plebs... Or else!

She was a good Queen but one who got on with her life during my Mum’s funeral. Sod ‘em, I’ll be on my bike for sure now.

orraloon

N0bodyOfTheGoat said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62879563

Center Parcs campuses will be closing for Monday's funeral.

How exactly is that going to work for those on weekend stays, that would normally be allowed to remain on campus all day, but don't have to leave their accomodation until 1000?

Presumably partial refund for weekenders, plus midweekers having the start of their stay delayed.

Virtue signalling gone stupid. Bloke on radio news saying booked in for 2 weeks (2 weeks! weirdo), been told no cannot just stay in their lodge accom on Monday, must leave.

I stayed in a Center Parks, the Suffolk one, for a weekend once many years ago when #1 daughter was just about starting primary school, shite experience, vowed never again.

Anyway, at least for now Sex Pistols' God Save the Queen still available on Spotify. What? Cancel, cancel...

veronese68

pblakeney said:

N0bodyOfTheGoat said:

https://www.britishcycling.org.uk/about/article/20220909-about-bc-news-Guidance-for-the-period-of-National-Mourning-0

No cycling during the funeral service, you plebs... Or else!

She was a good Queen but one who got on with her life during my Mum’s funeral. Sod ‘em, I’ll be on my bike for sure now.

Indeed. Admittedly I didn't know her, but I'd be surprised if anyone wants enforced state mourning after their passing. Except for fat Boy Kim of course. Anyone that wants to join in the mourning should, but leave it at that.
I also have no desire to go and see Schroedinger's queen. That seems very odd.

surrey_commuter

TheBigBean said:

surrey_commuter said:

You have obviously been to Vietnam, did it not lead you to learning about their various wars?

Yes, I did learn a bit about the wars, but probably not specific battles or at least my memory is not that good. In general, I don't find the minor details of war to be particularly thrilling unless you happen to be in that exact place.

specific battles other than ground breaking ones like Dien Bien Phu aren't that interesting and without wishing to sound like a complete anaorak most battlefields need a lot of imagination that is beyond me.

You can not consider empires without considering what put them, militarily, streets ahead of their rivals.

The leadership aspect fascinates me as well but that puts us back into General territory

briantrumpet

"London's mourners put away their smartphones..."

kingstongraham

The Centerparcs backtrack is in.

carbonclem

kingstongraham said:

The Centerparcs backtrack is in.

And British Cycling.

rick_chasey

surrey_commuter said:

The leadership aspect fascinates me as well but that puts us back into General territory

Great man history, right?

Pross

They’re doing a wristband system so don’t let the 30 hour queue put you off as you can leave for the toilet or food.

There should be a fast pass system like at theme parks so the rich can pay to jump the queue of peasants