Shimano 105 Di2 Confirmed
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Weren't UAE having major issues during the Tour de Suisse (Marc Hirschi specifically)? Seem to recall several rear derailleur issues necessitating several bike changes.0
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. . . and a little more research on my part found this on the BR site:
All the bikes, the wheels, the groupsets and the finishing kit (scroll down for the summaries):
https://www.bikeradar.com/features/pro-bike/tour-de-france-bikes/Wilier Izoard XP0 -
Shimano have always splurged big on supplying teams as its great marketing - Campsg have openly said many times that they won't do this as its not their bag, baby.laurentian said:
No, didn't notice any SRAM either. Was just wondering if there was much "representation" of Campagnolo on bikes in The Tour. Your comment that there are "21 riders running them" answers my quesion - thanks.gethinceri said:
If every bike’s rear derailleur had been shown, and you’d have been watching, you’d have seen 21 of them. They don’t show every rear derailleur, so your chances of seeing one are slim. There are 21 riders running them. Did you spot any SRAM rear derailleurs?laurentian said:.
I don't recall seeing any Campagnolo kit at all . . . why is this?
SRAM are the same as the Campag.
its all about the Franklins you see..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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imagine Puck Moonen bringing you a Chorus mech in one hand and a packet of scratchings in the other.davidof said:
Chorus?MattFalle said:bizarrely, 105 di2 is actually more expensive than Record 12 speed (Wiggle price)
i know what I would want.
#messy.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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New to the thread, probably already mentioned, but 1700 quid… to replace a cable with a battery… you have to really want itleft the forum March 20230
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its just blimmin' stupid ridiculous but people will snap it up for some unknown reason.ugo.santalucia said:New to the thread, probably already mentioned, but 1700 quid… to replace a cable with a battery… you have to really want it
well, we do know the reason but lets not plough that field again..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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The first production bikes equipped with 105 Di2 were listed on bikeradar over the weekend. Average price for a complete bike seemed to be around £3.5k! So much for the budget option!0
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They will drive customers away… I hate to do it for many reasons, but I think I will have no choice other than buying direct from China.MidlandsGrimpeur2 said:The first production bikes equipped with 105 Di2 were listed on bikeradar over the weekend. Average price for a complete bike seemed to be around £3.5k! So much for the budget option!
I was looking at that Sensah group set, or whatever it is called… it’s probably not as good, but then again, you can buy 3 copies of it, so you have spares for everything and still pay less than half the money…
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tbh, that Sensah stuff is meant to be pretty alright - have a look on youtube for some dude who did a complete chinese bike buildugo.santalucia said:
They will drive customers away… I hate to do it for many reasons, but I think I will have no choice other than buying direct from China.MidlandsGrimpeur2 said:The first production bikes equipped with 105 Di2 were listed on bikeradar over the weekend. Average price for a complete bike seemed to be around £3.5k! So much for the budget option!
I was looking at that Sensah group set, or whatever it is called… it’s probably not as good, but then again, you can buy 3 copies of it, so you have spares for everything and still pay less than half the money…
i'd run Sensah because it works fine, is cheap and annoys clubbies when you burn them off..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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why do you "hate to do it" though?ugo.santalucia said:
They will drive customers away… I hate to do it for many reasons, but I think I will have no choice other than buying direct from China.MidlandsGrimpeur2 said:The first production bikes equipped with 105 Di2 were listed on bikeradar over the weekend. Average price for a complete bike seemed to be around £3.5k! So much for the budget option!
I was looking at that Sensah group set, or whatever it is called… it’s probably not as good, but then again, you can buy 3 copies of it, so you have spares for everything and still pay less than half the money….The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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utterly totally bloody ridiculous.MidlandsGrimpeur2 said:The first production bikes equipped with 105 Di2 were listed on bikeradar over the weekend. Average price for a complete bike seemed to be around £3.5k! So much for the budget option!
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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They will drive customers away…
No doubt. I strongly believe we are heading towards an 'entry level' bike starting at £3k from the big manufacturers in the coming years. Who do they think is going to afford these bikes?
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utterly totally bloody ridiculous
Completely agree, and sad too that customers are being taken for a ride (no pun intended!).1 -
I would like to help the UK bike economy, but it seems they don’t want to be helped by folks with small budgetsMattFalle said:
why do you "hate to do it" though?ugo.santalucia said:
They will drive customers away… I hate to do it for many reasons, but I think I will have no choice other than buying direct from China.MidlandsGrimpeur2 said:The first production bikes equipped with 105 Di2 were listed on bikeradar over the weekend. Average price for a complete bike seemed to be around £3.5k! So much for the budget option!
I was looking at that Sensah group set, or whatever it is called… it’s probably not as good, but then again, you can buy 3 copies of it, so you have spares for everything and still pay less than half the money…
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TraceVeloMattFalle said:
tbh, that Sensah stuff is meant to be pretty alright - have a look on youtube for some dude who did a complete chinese bike build
i'd run Sensah because it works fine, is cheap and annoys clubbies when you burn them off.1 -
I think Sensah and the Aliexpress stuff is great, it fills a gap in the market as traditional brands relentlessly move upmarket.
However... literally no-one will ever pay £1700 for this 105 groupset, it will probably be £1200 when things settle down. Still a lot, but everything is going up.
And you can get it on a £2300 bike https://www.dolan-bikes.com/dolan-rdx-aluminium-disc-bike-shimano-12s-105-r7170-di2/0 -
no one in the UK makes a groupset so you'll always be helping Italy, Japan, US or China.ugo.santalucia said:
I would like to help the UK bike economy, but it seems they don’t want to be helped by folks with small budgetsMattFalle said:
why do you "hate to do it" though?ugo.santalucia said:
They will drive customers away… I hate to do it for many reasons, but I think I will have no choice other than buying direct from China.MidlandsGrimpeur2 said:The first production bikes equipped with 105 Di2 were listed on bikeradar over the weekend. Average price for a complete bike seemed to be around £3.5k! So much for the budget option!
I was looking at that Sensah group set, or whatever it is called… it’s probably not as good, but then again, you can buy 3 copies of it, so you have spares for everything and still pay less than half the money…
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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A commuter/pub bike with panniers and mudguards - £2300?
#phukkthat
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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*posted response now appearing as a draft. Second one of these. WTF is it with this site?0
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I mean UK retailersMattFalle said:
no one in the UK makes a groupset so you'll always be helping Italy, Japan, US or China.ugo.santalucia said:
I would like to help the UK bike economy, but it seems they don’t want to be helped by folks with small budgetsMattFalle said:
why do you "hate to do it" though?ugo.santalucia said:
They will drive customers away… I hate to do it for many reasons, but I think I will have no choice other than buying direct from China.MidlandsGrimpeur2 said:The first production bikes equipped with 105 Di2 were listed on bikeradar over the weekend. Average price for a complete bike seemed to be around £3.5k! So much for the budget option!
I was looking at that Sensah group set, or whatever it is called… it’s probably not as good, but then again, you can buy 3 copies of it, so you have spares for everything and still pay less than half the money…
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Worth a watch. Francis Cade vid on his experiences ordering Sensah and other products via Aliexpress.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8ofA66yJ_Y 1 -
The key factor for me will be If Di2 105 feels as good or better than mechanical Ultegra.
Because the way prices are now, a budget that once got you the latter will now only get you the former and I don't want to feel like I've been forced to downgrade.
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The shifting will be the same. It's just wires and servos. Will likely weigh more0
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You recon it is up to the "UK bike economy" if the mechanical equivalents will still be available or what the wholesale price is?ugo.santalucia said:
I would like to help the UK bike economy, but it seems they don’t want to be helped by folks with small budgetsMattFalle said:
why do you "hate to do it" though?ugo.santalucia said:
They will drive customers away… I hate to do it for many reasons, but I think I will have no choice other than buying direct from China.MidlandsGrimpeur2 said:The first production bikes equipped with 105 Di2 were listed on bikeradar over the weekend. Average price for a complete bike seemed to be around £3.5k! So much for the budget option!
I was looking at that Sensah group set, or whatever it is called… it’s probably not as good, but then again, you can buy 3 copies of it, so you have spares for everything and still pay less than half the money…0 -
shirley_basso said:
The shifting will be the same. It's just wires and servos. Will likely weigh more
The shifting between mechanical & Di2 definitely has a different feel IME.
Whether Di2 is better / worth it is subjective.0 -
Oh sorry - I meant between di2 105 and di2 ultegra.1
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There are two features I really like on Di2 Ultegra that are missing on 105.
One is the buttons on the top of the shifters - really useful to flick through the pages on my Garmin, have a long press to bring up the map etc.
Second is the servo wave brakes. I've got the first gen hydraulics on one bike, R7000 on another, but the latest gen Ultegra absolutely nails it, massive improvement on both.
That and the gearing choice means there will still be a market for Ultegra, even if the shifting is the same and the c300g weight difference is nothing.0 -
I have the 6870 Di2, rim brakes and a very old garmin so don't benefit from any of the above, but still massively prefer it over mechanical.0
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No, but what they can do is refuse to stock it, or start stocking cheaper products from the far east. If a Sensah groupset from China cost 200 quid... I would buy it from Wiggle if it was 350, because I can afford to buy a groupset for that kind of money. If you ask me to spend 1700 quid on a groupset, then I will buy something cheaper, if they don't have anything, then I will look at China. I suppose I could look into Tiagra or even Claris, but how low do I have to go before Shimano becomes less good than a Chinese import?katani said:
You recon it is up to the "UK bike economy" if the mechanical equivalents will still be available or what the wholesale price is?ugo.santalucia said:
I would like to help the UK bike economy, but it seems they don’t want to be helped by folks with small budgetsMattFalle said:
why do you "hate to do it" though?ugo.santalucia said:
They will drive customers away… I hate to do it for many reasons, but I think I will have no choice other than buying direct from China.MidlandsGrimpeur2 said:The first production bikes equipped with 105 Di2 were listed on bikeradar over the weekend. Average price for a complete bike seemed to be around £3.5k! So much for the budget option!
I was looking at that Sensah group set, or whatever it is called… it’s probably not as good, but then again, you can buy 3 copies of it, so you have spares for everything and still pay less than half the money…
Basically, they need to cater for people who aren't keen to get into debt to buy a bike... or they will lose customers.left the forum March 20230
