Shimano 105 Di2 Confirmed
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well its not really "more fool them" if thats all the choice they are stuck with.ibr17xvii said:MattFalle said:also feel a bit sorry for those poor sods who get stiffed for (inc discounts) £1500 for a 105 groupset.....
More fool them but at that price point folk might not have that much choice.
we're sll starting to find it with disc brakes taking over everywhere.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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as SB said, disc bikes don't look cool.super_davo said:
You'll still be able to buy mechanical & rim framesets for some time. But it is pretty obvious that all the R&D for frames & groupsets is going on disc and electronic, so by doing so you're sticking yourself in a "it was a great bike in 2015" time warp.MattFalle said:its also forcing people to buy stuff they may not really be happy with - i'm 100% happy with mechanical and rim, if it gets to the point i can only get electronic, disc and electronic/disc only framesets its gonna be a bitshit
also feel a bit sorry for those poor sods who get stiffed for (inc discounts) £1500 for a 105 groupset.....
FWIW for a light summer bike or for racing mechanical rim brake has loads of advantages, especially if on a budget; but over time improvements elsewhere mean you'll be better off making the jump, or you just will want to make the jump because the bike it's on looks that cool..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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As FA said, campag will stick with mechanical and rim I am sure. It is just part of what they do.
Sram and Shim will likely ditch full gruppos in future would be my guess. They will just produce consumables like chains/cassettes and mechs to keep people will older mechanical groups going.1 -
Possibly we will start to see the odd aftermarket option as well. The older the tech gets, the more goes out of patent.0
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can you still freely get Red mech shifters mechs and rim brakes?MidlandsGrimpeur2 said:As FA said, campag will stick with mechanical and rim I am sure. It is just part of what they do.
Sram and Shim will likely ditch full gruppos in future would be my guess. They will just produce consumables like chains/cassettes and mechs to keep people will older mechanical groups going.
i thought they had started to slow down production and head disc/electronic?.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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I thought I'd take a look at their websites. SRAM is only available in Etap.
Shimano highest spec without Di2 is Tiagra. The writing is on the wall for mid level and up.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.3 -
can you still freely get Red mech shifters mechs and rim brakes?
i thought they had started to slow down production and head disc/electronic?
You are right, production has definitely dropped way down.
You can still get them, but it seems to be a few online like Wiggle that have old stock lying about. I suspect if you went into your LBS and asked them to order you some, they would struggle to get hold of them.
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yup - and its all so sodding expensive anyway that no one can afford to - or if even if heey would gall to - buy up and stock up on it.MidlandsGrimpeur2 said:can you still freely get Red mech shifters mechs and rim brakes?
i thought they had started to slow down production and head disc/electronic?
You are right, production has definitely dropped way down.
You can still get them, but it seems to be a few online like Wiggle that have old stock lying about. I suspect if you went into your LBS and asked them to order you some, they would struggle to get hold of them.
its just case of looking around and snapping up bargains where you can to put in the lift, but that all seems to be mid and lower end stuff such as Ultegra and 105....The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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I agree, just done a Cervelo S5 with 6770 on it,couple of updates but other than that it was still good.super_davo said:
I know people with first gen Ultegra Di2 from 10 years ago still in use, still working as well as the day they bought it... This isn't a bleeding edge computer system, it is changing gears. As long as the battery works, it will work (and the battery should be good for 500-1000 charges).pblakeney said:
Consider the usability of any computer equipment you have lying around from 20 years ago. Floppy discs? CDs? Firewire? SCCDI? Just as examples.racerex said:I just wonder about the longevity of electronic groupsets in general. I have my old steel Trek that I raced on back in the '80's hanging in my garage and still pull down and take for a spin occasionally. What are the odds that today's battery will still take a charge in the 2050's?
Actually I think reliability and lack of maintenance requirements is a major selling point of Di2.. if you can change a cable and index gears you probably won't appreciate it, but there are lots of people that can't or can't be bothered to.
Personally after riding with Di2 for over 6 years ive no idea why people wouldn't want it.
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because its heavier, more complicated, harder to fix, uglier, far more expensive and not actually better than mechanical, tbh.trevor.hall12 said:
I agree, just done a Cervelo S5 with 6770 on it,couple of updates but other than that it was still good.super_davo said:
I know people with first gen Ultegra Di2 from 10 years ago still in use, still working as well as the day they bought it... This isn't a bleeding edge computer system, it is changing gears. As long as the battery works, it will work (and the battery should be good for 500-1000 charges).pblakeney said:
Consider the usability of any computer equipment you have lying around from 20 years ago. Floppy discs? CDs? Firewire? SCCDI? Just as examples.racerex said:I just wonder about the longevity of electronic groupsets in general. I have my old steel Trek that I raced on back in the '80's hanging in my garage and still pull down and take for a spin occasionally. What are the odds that today's battery will still take a charge in the 2050's?
Actually I think reliability and lack of maintenance requirements is a major selling point of Di2.. if you can change a cable and index gears you probably won't appreciate it, but there are lots of people that can't or can't be bothered to.
Personally after riding with Di2 for over 6 years ive no idea why people wouldn't want it..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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bizarrely, 105 di2 is actually more expensive than Record 12 speed (Wiggle price)
i know what I would want..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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You pay the same again for the Campag-fit tools though
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tbh, fitted 4 Campag groupsets and the only special things I've needed are bb tool, torx bit instead of allen bit for shifters and brakes and cassette lock tool, so from CRC or Merlin maybe a tenner?
campag specific cables are nomore expensive than Shimano or SRAM
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Not only that, but I bought the tools 12 years ago and they still work on current iterations. Paid for themselves many times over.MattFalle said:tbh, fitted 4 Campag groupsets and the only special things I've needed are bb tool, torx bit instead of allen bit for shifters and brakes and cassette lock tool, so from CRC or Merlin maybe a tenner?
campag specific cables are nomore expensive than Shimano or SRAMThe above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.2 -
Other than price, pretty much your preference.MattFalle said:q
because its heavier, more complicated, harder to fix, uglier, far more expensive and not actually better than mechanical, tbh.trevor.hall12 said:
I agree, just done a Cervelo S5 with 6770 on it,couple of updates but other than that it was still good.super_davo said:
I know people with first gen Ultegra Di2 from 10 years ago still in use, still working as well as the day they bought it... This isn't a bleeding edge computer system, it is changing gears. As long as the battery works, it will work (and the battery should be good for 500-1000 charges).pblakeney said:
Consider the usability of any computer equipment you have lying around from 20 years ago. Floppy discs? CDs? Firewire? SCCDI? Just as examples.racerex said:I just wonder about the longevity of electronic groupsets in general. I have my old steel Trek that I raced on back in the '80's hanging in my garage and still pull down and take for a spin occasionally. What are the odds that today's battery will still take a charge in the 2050's?
Actually I think reliability and lack of maintenance requirements is a major selling point of Di2.. if you can change a cable and index gears you probably won't appreciate it, but there are lots of people that can't or can't be bothered to.
Personally after riding with Di2 for over 6 years ive no idea why people wouldn't want it.
If you do your own maintainance it's no more difficult in any way, I would suggest easier, with not having to adjust it ever.2 -
I agree, enough people still want mechanical and this is a good opportunity to pull in a lot of people.First.Aspect said:There is probably enough of a gap in the market for campag or others to fill with mechanical and rim brake groupsets.
Hopefully they'll be like vinyl.
Having a bike I can't use because if needs a firmware update doesn't appeal.
The firmware thing is just silly though.
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@MattFalle Depends on what you define as "ugly" or "better".0
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ugly ugly ugly ugly and heavy. not even worth cleaning as hopefully the firt will cover it up.
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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pwwwwooooaaaarrrr and lighter and lovelier. something to treasure
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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or go old school. i have a brand new one of these in a box in the loft and don't want to use it as its tooooooo lovely
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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tbh, its only having posted up that Ultegra mech that i realise just really how ugly it is..
The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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sheer joy of joy. beautiful
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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looks like something off Ali Baba
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Older gen Di2 looked exceedingly ropey but the latest gen looks pretty good, especially on an aero bike with chunky tubes.
I distinctly remember at the time those Campag items were released people saying that they ruined the aesthetic because of red flashes, wasn't shiny silver, 4 bolt cranksets etc.
And BTW the gorgeous shifter you've posted is an EPS model...1 -
maybe as but its still beautiful compared to that shimano offerring. but grazie!super_davo said:Older gen Di2 looked exceedingly ropey but the latest gen looks pretty good, especially on an aero bike with chunky tubes.
I distinctly remember at the time those Campag items were released people saying that they ruined the aesthetic because of red flashes, wasn't shiny silver, 4 bolt cranksets etc.
And BTW the gorgeous shifter you've posted is an EPS model....The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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nah - it still looks fugly and eill date sooooo quicklysuper_davo said:Older gen Di2 looked exceedingly ropey but the latest gen looks pretty good, especially on an aero bike with chunky tubes.
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Probably just me but I'm not really all that bothered what a groupset looks like although I will concede that Shimano offerings aren't that attractive compared to Campag & SRAM.2
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All my bikes have tended to come with shimano, which has always proven reliable and I've never really noticed the aesthetics. That said, I have always wanted to try campagnolo stuff because it does look classy and less obviously mass produced.
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sounds like I'm pretty alone here but to me form and function are v v important - really nicely designed and manufactured stuff just makes me smile and want to look and care for it.
my crit bike had ultegra and dura ace because if i smashed it up i wouldn't care - if I trashed Record/SR i'd cry.
Campsg looks far, far far nicer and works just as well snd better thsn Shimsno..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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