Tourist Trophy
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Stewards? As in horses?.
The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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That won't be necessary - because we know you haven't.MattFalle said:
Next thing we know you're going to ask me where I've riddenimposter2.0 said:
If you say so. But talking in juvenile riddles is not going to cover over the huge gaps in your credibility. Not this time, anyway...MattFalle said:No - you're Bazza - there can't be more than one, Bazza.
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What's the question? Using horses as stewards would be disastrous...MattFalle said:Stewards? As in horses?
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Are the two of you finding this interesting?0
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No, not really.
Its the company you see, just a tad bland..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Thats not what ya momma said.imposter2.0 said:
That won't be necessary - because we know you haven't.MattFalle said:
Next thing we know you're going to ask me where I've riddenimposter2.0 said:
If you say so. But talking in juvenile riddles is not going to cover over the huge gaps in your credibility. Not this time, anyway...MattFalle said:No - you're Bazza - there can't be more than one, Bazza.
#inmemoryofPinno.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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It's a tricky one with a hundred year history. At the end of the day though ($h1t limbed sport) it's their life and their choice?
Soldiers can lose their lives, they are ordered, and it might not even be a fight they believe in.0 -
I am. It's why I keep replying. It's easier when you post from a position of knowledge, rather than bluster and obfuscation....kingstongraham said:Are the two of you finding this interesting?
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I don't think it's fair to categorise motorbike racing as a shit limbed sport. Just ask Wayne Rainey.1
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Yes, that's good. Rommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.monkimark said:I don't think it's fair to categorise motorbike racing as a censored limbed sport. Just ask Wayne Rainey.
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Watching that puts shivers down my spine. It's f*cking amazing.
Respect:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFJSVtsckyI
It's unique.
F1 is pants. The cars look sh*t. Those central bars (for elf n safety) spoil the things. F1 would be good if they backed off driver aids, made clutches and gearboxes mandatory and cut 90% of the ridiculous rules because the bigger teams with the R&D can overcome the obstacles posed by them.
GT racing is for the very rich only.
WRC has died a death (well, British interest has).
Moto GP is good but it's not a patch on the TT. I went with a biker nutter mate to the Le Mans 24hr bike race. It was more about the party party, doughnuts and nosey's on the runway etc, in the dying days of the V twin. But that wasn't a patch on the TT and i haven't even been. Just watching those guys hare around that mountain course is just frikkin ace.
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You snowflake.rick_chasey said:As long as they’re not dying in front of you, eh?
No, just haven't had the chance with family commitments including a daughter with special needs. It's not far from me.
I don't fear death, I fear dying prematurely. I had Leukaemia.
I have 1 remaining godparent in Cronk y voddy, so I could go but I would never take the girls and it's difficult to leave my partner on her own.
Don't go if you couldn't face a fatality.
Don't race if you aren't prepared that you may risk your life.
What do you think of the parents of these kids?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001785q/our-lives-series-6-speed-kidsseanoconn - gruagach craic!2 -
Their Choice, their life. They aren't being forced.rick_chasey said:As long as they’re not dying in front of you, eh?
You seem to revel in the Putin thread.As long as they’re not dying in front of you, eh?1 -
You're really not getting the hang of this discussion forum thing.MattFalle said:
Generally when you start something you've looked into it and pondered over it and wondered what's in your best interests, so yeah, I've done that for both officialand unofficial stuff.imposter2.0 said:
I've posted nothing 'against' the TT - other than suggesting that it may have evolved into something which is no longer viable in its current form. I simply said that competitors are rarely in the best position to judge whether something is in their best interests. If you'd ever been on a start line, you'd probably get that.MattFalle said:
Yeah I mugged that off because all the stuff he was posting against the TT was very, very very, very very, very strange coming from someone with a motorbike background.
Jeez, way to ruin a thread. Couple of old farts ranting about how nobody gets it and yet completely incapable of articulating what 'it' actually is.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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This ^.focuszing723 said:
Their Choice, their life. They aren't being forced.rick_chasey said:As long as they’re not dying in front of you, eh?
You seem to revel in the Putin thread.As long as they’re not dying in front of you, eh?
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'It' - from my perspective - was just being an enthusiast and getting involved in the competitive aspect of riding your motorcycle against others and trying to beat them. I suspect that's what motivates road racers as well. Riding the IoM TT is probably attractive to most of them as a bucket list 'something to do before you die' (sick irony fully intended). Lots of them do it once, survive and then get hooked on it.rjsterry said:
You're really not getting the hang of this discussion forum thing.MattFalle said:
Generally when you start something you've looked into it and pondered over it and wondered what's in your best interests, so yeah, I've done that for both officialand unofficial stuff.imposter2.0 said:
I've posted nothing 'against' the TT - other than suggesting that it may have evolved into something which is no longer viable in its current form. I simply said that competitors are rarely in the best position to judge whether something is in their best interests. If you'd ever been on a start line, you'd probably get that.MattFalle said:
Yeah I mugged that off because all the stuff he was posting against the TT was very, very very, very very, very strange coming from someone with a motorbike background.
Jeez, way to ruin a thread. Couple of old farts ranting about how nobody gets it and yet completely incapable of articulating what 'it' actually is.
There are certain 'classic' MX circuits which have the same/similar attraction, like Hawkstone Park, Farleigh Castle, Beenham Park, Foxhill, etc - fortunately without the same level of historic risk to life.
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If you want to draw parallels between a motor race and Europe’s biggest war in 80 years, you might want to work a bit harder than say “people die”.focuszing723 said:
Their Choice, their life. They aren't being forced.rick_chasey said:As long as they’re not dying in front of you, eh?
You seem to revel in the Putin thread.As long as they’re not dying in front of you, eh?
And for the record, having an interest in said war is not the same as being happy with the death and suffering, right?
Or was that not what you were inferring?
If it was, it was a pretty d!ckish comment.0 -
If you don’t understand the difference between discussing a war and deaths in a motor race you’re thicker than I gave you credit for.pinno said:
This ^.focuszing723 said:
Their Choice, their life. They aren't being forced.rick_chasey said:As long as they’re not dying in front of you, eh?
You seem to revel in the Putin thread.As long as they’re not dying in front of you, eh?
I suggest you’re not, so maybe take the comment back.
Motor races are ultimately entertainment. Dying for entertainment is a different proposition to dying in a war.
They’re entirely different. Do you understand the difference?0 -
rick_chasey said:
If you don’t understand the difference between discussing a war and deaths in a motor race you’re thicker than I gave you credit for.pinno said:
This ^.focuszing723 said:
Their Choice, their life. They aren't being forced.rick_chasey said:As long as they’re not dying in front of you, eh?
You seem to revel in the Putin thread.As long as they’re not dying in front of you, eh?
I suggest you’re not, so maybe take the comment back.
Motor races are ultimately entertainment. Dying for entertainment is a different proposition to dying in a war.
They’re entirely different. Do you understand the difference?Now Ricks called me d1ckish and he called me stupid, quoted.focuszing723 said:And you called me stupid and 7:32!
Something about Dad helping out the EU...
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So basically he thinks I'm a stupid d1ck!
Well, that's not very nice.0 -
At least you're just 'thick' and not a thick snowflake. Chin up.
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Motorbike racing is a voluntary thing; whether as a martial, [auto correct!] competitor or a spectator.
War isn't.
Rick is suffering from an odd NIMBYism.seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
Compare it to tobacco and alcohol and it doesn't seem too bad - tens of thousands die every year from the 'entertainment' of smoking, the government have done a bit of tinkering around the edges over the years (age restrictions, advertising bans) but it hasn't solved the problem. There is a very easy solution (ban it) but it would be very unpopular with smokers so they don't do it.
I guess in this analogy, changing it to be like the NW200 would be vaping.
I appreciate that it doesn't stand up to detailed scrutiny but it boils down to - people enjoy doing a very dangerous thing, even knowing it is very dangerous. You can do a bit to mitigate the danger by sticking some padding up on walls, removing the occasional bit of street furniture and putting in place emergency medical support but ultimately you won't make it safe unless you ban it or make it into a different race.
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Thanks.pinno said:At least you're just 'thick' and not a thick snowflake. Chin up.
Back OT (if possible):
Motorbike racing is a voluntary thing; whether as a martial, competitor or a spectator.
War isn't.
Rick is suffering from an odd NIMBYism.0 -
It is
I’m of the view sports should work hard to avoid deaths.pinno said:At least you're just 'thick' and not a thick snowflake. Chin up.
Back OT (if possible):
Motorbike racing is a voluntary thing; whether as a martial, competitor or a spectator.
War isn't.
Rick is suffering from an odd NIMBYism.
It seems to me that the death rate of the TT hasn’t changed and so I question how seriously they are working to avoid deaths.
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https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-khan-review-making-smoking-obsolete/making-smoking-obsolete-summarymonkimark said:Compare it to tobacco and alcohol and it doesn't seem too bad - tens of thousands die every year from the 'entertainment' of smoking, the government have done a bit of tinkering around the edges over the years (age restrictions, advertising bans) but it hasn't solved the problem. There is a very easy solution (ban it) but it would be very unpopular with smokers so they don't do it.
I guess in this analogy, changing it to be like the NW200 would be vaping.
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So they aren't even suggesting banning it in the report, which probably won't be implemented. The objective they set 3 years ago is currently 7 years behind schedule.
I think they are at the 'removing lamp posts' stage.0 -
This I agree with.rick_chasey said:It is
I’m of the view sports should work hard to avoid deaths.pinno said:At least you're just 'thick' and not a thick snowflake. Chin up.
Back OT (if possible):
Motorbike racing is a voluntary thing; whether as a martial, competitor or a spectator.
War isn't.
Rick is suffering from an odd NIMBYism.
It's the rest of the cr4p you chuck around that I disagree with. Especially the emotive stuff.
You completely missed FZ's point yet you called him stupid! I mean WTF?
However, banning/santising the TT because it interferes with your sense of morality and a desire for an imposed responsibility on others is wrong. That's like saying 'you aren't responsible enough to look after your own welfare, therefore, I'll look after you on your behalf'. And it's obvious you have a problem with death through a pursuit that is voluntary.
Taking risks should be an individuals choice.
Now, where it gets messy is smoking, like you cited. This is because the state has to pay for a smokers medical treatment in the event they become ill.
If the individual who smokes had to pay for any side effects of smoking, I would say smoke 40 a day - carry on. If you say smoke all you like but you have to take out medical insurance to cover that activity, carry on or else the NHS doesn't pay for medical care.
In the case of the TT: marshals are paid for, medical care is paid for. The risk does not effect other people's choices. The smoker who needs medical care because of smoking is putting unnecessary burden on the health system at a potential cost to another individual who gets ill or injured through no fault of their own.
I resent the fat f*cker in the street who eats badly and has self-induced diabetes (which is costing the NHS £10bn per year). I have a right to tell him/her where to go. I am paying taxes to fix/maintain the smoker and the self-induced diabetic chip worshipping, pie eating, grease loving fat f*cker whereas the insured TT racer is not affecting me in any shape or form and is not directly or indirectly affecting my life or access to medical care.
(Unless of course I get splatted on the roadside as a spectator but then it's my choice to attend the event and my responsibility to stand somewhere where I am unlikely to get splatted).
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I'm of the view some people think too much about things which are out of their control, rather than getting on with $h1t that is.rick_chasey said:It is
I’m of the view sports should work hard to avoid deaths.pinno said:At least you're just 'thick' and not a thick snowflake. Chin up.
Back OT (if possible):
Motorbike racing is a voluntary thing; whether as a martial, competitor or a spectator.
War isn't.
Rick is suffering from an odd NIMBYism.
It seems to me that the death rate of the TT hasn’t changed and so I question how seriously they are working to avoid deaths.2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P5fOKCG31g
