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  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    le voila
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,317
    That's the disc one, which one expects to be asymmetric... but the rim brakes one?
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  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    not a scooby.

    whats the difference? how would i tell? layman's language. this is in your best interests.

    have ne'er thought about nor cared tbh.
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,317
    MattFalle said:

    not a scooby.

    whats the difference? how would i tell? layman's language. this is in your best interests.

    have ne'er thought about nor cared tbh.

    It's surprising how spending half a day every day on this forum results in nothing learned... :D

    in an asymmetric rim, the spoke holes are not in the centre of the profile but they are closer to one side. In the case of a rear wheel for rim brakes, they will be closer to the non drive side...
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  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    😀😀 if I wasn't such a nice person i'd reply by saying well, looks like you're not learning what you need to know about the rear wheel.

    but i'm nice, so let me watch some Pitch Perfect 2 - they've just got to the first a'capella party, so its all exciting - and i'll nip downstairs and have a look.

    👍👍
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • webboo
    webboo Posts: 6,087
    I have the Prime 50’s rim brake 24 spoke rear with spoke holes in the centre of the rim.
    Is that any help.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,317
    webboo said:

    I have the Prime 50’s rim brake 24 spoke rear with spoke holes in the centre of the rim.
    Is that any help.

    THat helps, thanks!
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  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,317
    MattFalle said:

    😀😀 if I wasn't such a nice person i'd reply by saying well, looks like you're not learning what you need to know about the rear wheel.

    but i'm nice, so let me watch some Pitch Perfect 2 - they've just got to the first a'capella party, so its all exciting - and i'll nip downstairs and have a look.

    👍👍

    It's more the case that the average content of this forum has degraded to a point where there is nothing to learn...
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  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    same on the 90s - straight down the middle
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,317
    OK,
    by my maths, I should be able to build myself a pair of Prime 60 24/24 with gold Bitex hubs (who doesn't like gold?) and sapim CX ray spokes for well under 600 quid... so that's quite a saving from the 700+ of the prime black
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  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    No worries, a pleasure for Webboo and the MFs to help any time. Don't worry about it.
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644

    OK,
    by my maths, I should be able to build myself a pair of Prime 60 24/24 with gold Bitex hubs (who doesn't like gold?) and sapim CX ray spokes for well under 600 quid... so that's quite a saving from the 700+ of the prime black

    deal. get it done. post pictures. give the people want they want.
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • amrushton
    amrushton Posts: 1,312
    Doesnt Cycle Clinic do some 50mm for about £800 with a good guarantee? think thats on a Miche hub
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,317
    amrushton said:

    Doesnt Cycle Clinic do some 50mm for about £800 with a good guarantee? think thats on a Miche hub

    Don't know, but that's a lot more than 500ish... I bought a Prime handlebar and I am quite impressed with the quality, so I'd have no hesitations to buy prime rims
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  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    Prime stuff rocks tbh- have bought 'bars, tyres, wheels: can't fault any of it.
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • bobones
    bobones Posts: 1,215
    edited May 2022
    If you can get the rims cheap enough building your own can save a few hundred quid.

    I would be tempted to contact Wiggle to see if they will reduce the price of the 20H front wheel as it's ridiculously overpriced @ £285.99 compared to all the other Prime carbon rims on the site which are £179.99 to £199.99!

    It's a shame that the carbon rims on AliExpress seem to have gone up a fair bit recently. Last year I bought a pair of Deerobust 38 mm rims (glossy 12k) and built them up with Zuus liquidation stock Powerway R13 hubs (£12.50 a pair so bought 5 pair!) and CX-Rays weighing in at 1319g for £368. The rims then cost £250 for the pair delivered, but the same rims now cost about £306 delivered. Really impressed with the quality of the rims and would have no hesitation buying Deerobust stuff again.

    I already had 50 mm carbon wheels and 60 mm Bora WTOs so I thought 38 mm would make a nice set of light climbing wheels. At the current Wiggle prices I am now tempted to build up a set with those Prime 85 mm rims even though I don't need them!

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    On my TCR

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    On my (soon to be dismantled) Scott CR1

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  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    The 85s are sweet - piccies of mine are above.

    You know you neeeeeeeed them for the new frameset

    Buy them buy them buy them now
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    Oh - your TCR: lovely, lush, sweet. Mega gravy
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,317
    Talked to Wiggle, no discount on the 20H.. nobody knows why it is more expensive, surely it comes west by land via Ukraine, whereas the 24H rolls on by sea... :/
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  • bobones
    bobones Posts: 1,215
    MattFalle said:

    Oh - your TCR: lovely, lush, sweet. Mega gravy

    Cheers. It's a top drawer frameset (2021 Advanced SL). I wasn't a fan of the Giant brand, but it popped up on Winstanley's around Christmas with £800 off when I was looking around for a light rim brake frame. I wasn't keen on the colour at first, but decided to make the most of it and go all in with purple, pink and oil slick accessories. I might even go full clown bike and build wheels with some rainbow spokes like these!
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    Your 85s do look the bollix. If the rear rim goes down to £179 I am in!
  • bobones
    bobones Posts: 1,215

    Talked to Wiggle, no discount on the 20H.. nobody knows why it is more expensive, surely it comes west by land via Ukraine, whereas the 24H rolls on by sea... :/

    Annoying that! 24H front will be fine, but I bet the 20 goes down in price in the next few weeks. Are you not tempted by the 38s (£179) or 50s (£199)?
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,317
    bobones said:

    Talked to Wiggle, no discount on the 20H.. nobody knows why it is more expensive, surely it comes west by land via Ukraine, whereas the 24H rolls on by sea... :/

    Annoying that! 24H front will be fine, but I bet the 20 goes down in price in the next few weeks. Are you not tempted by the 38s (£179) or 50s (£199)?
    I'd be buying them for the Watt saving in TT... 85 might be a pain, with extenders and might be difficult to use on windy days (like this evening)... 50 or less might not be worth it... for a handful of Watts... 60 might be the sweet spot, there should be around 10W, or 30 seconds on a 10, which is the very minimum I would bother spending serious money for... in fact I am still on the fence on whether it is worth it... in principle I could borrow a pair for the 2-3 races every year that matter (CLub Roadmans championship for instance which is always very tight, last time 3 of us within 10 seconds)
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  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    bobones said:

    MattFalle said:

    Oh - your TCR: lovely, lush, sweet. Mega gravy

    Cheers. It's a top drawer frameset (2021 Advanced SL). I wasn't a fan of the Giant brand, but it popped up on Winstanley's around Christmas with £800 off when I was looking around for a light rim brake frame. I wasn't keen on the colour at first, but decided to make the most of it and go all in with purple, pink and oil slick accessories. I might even go full clown bike and build wheels with some rainbow spokes like these!
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    Your 85s do look the bollix. If the rear rim goes down to £179 I am in!
    Grazier! Tbh, they're blimmin' good value

    Nah - stick as is on the Giant- looks very v very cool.

    Any more will make it look well jeff
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,317
    Agree, avoid those rainbow spokes
    left the forum March 2023
  • bobones
    bobones Posts: 1,215


    I'd be buying them for the Watt saving in TT... 85 might be a pain, with extenders and might be difficult to use on windy days (like this evening)... 50 or less might not be worth it... for a handful of Watts... 60 might be the sweet spot, there should be around 10W, or 30 seconds on a 10, which is the very minimum I would bother spending serious money for... in fact I am still on the fence on whether it is worth it... in principle I could borrow a pair for the 2-3 races every year that matter (CLub Roadmans championship for instance which is always very tight, last time 3 of us within 10 seconds)

    I'd be seriously looking at the 85s if I were you. I don't notice much between 50s and 60s in terms of speed, and it's very seldom that the wind bothers me with those sizes (68kg in West of Scotland where it's always windy). I've ran with valve extenders before and they weren't too much bother at all.

    Tell him Matt: 85s all the way!

    If you're looking to save some money on hubs, the Prime R020s (Novatec OEM) will set you back about £93. Boring black though.

    Pretty sure you could move these on pretty easily for a profit if you didn't like them.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    bobones said:


    I'd be buying them for the Watt saving in TT... 85 might be a pain, with extenders and might be difficult to use on windy days (like this evening)... 50 or less might not be worth it... for a handful of Watts... 60 might be the sweet spot, there should be around 10W, or 30 seconds on a 10, which is the very minimum I would bother spending serious money for... in fact I am still on the fence on whether it is worth it... in principle I could borrow a pair for the 2-3 races every year that matter (CLub Roadmans championship for instance which is always very tight, last time 3 of us within 10 seconds)

    I'd be seriously looking at the 85s if I were you. I don't notice much between 50s and 60s in terms of speed, and it's very seldom that the wind bothers me with those sizes (68kg in West of Scotland where it's always windy). I've ran with valve extenders before and they weren't too much bother at all.

    Tell him Matt: 85s all the way!

    If you're looking to save some money on hubs, the Prime R020s (Novatec OEM) will set you back about £93. Boring black though.

    Pretty sure you could move these on pretty easily for a profit if you didn't like them.
    Agree with BoB on so many counts -

    85s. Go big or go home

    No point in going shallower for what you want

    85s will give you the wattage, speed, aero, everything plus the looks and da whoooomph whoooomph whoooomph you need.

    Its actually been scientifically proven that da whooooomph whoooooomph whooooomph gives you 3mph more top end and anyone who says different is lying and I'll quite happily fight them for telling such untruths.

    85s, job jobbed. Anything else rwill look plain stupid as well.
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,317
    edited May 2022
    The official CTT rules allow 80 mm rims on the "road bike category", but some clubs seem to impose stricter rules in their "road bike events" or "road bike category prizes" which are the only thing I can realistically target, typically 65mm is the max... I need to get to the bottom of it... two set of rules is suboptimal

    For example, a local club Quote...
    "Having a separate road bike category (no aero equipment and maximum 60mm depth wheels [NB: we’ve updated this from an original rule of 50mm, given the popularity of Zipp 404s])."
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  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    Rules, eh...... Who'd have 'em.

    65mm is still a nice depth but not as whoooomphy or fast as 85s.

    Can you not just get an 85 and write 65mm on it in Tippex?
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,317
    MattFalle said:

    Rules, eh...... Who'd have 'em.

    65mm is still a nice depth but not as whoooomphy or fast as 85s.

    Can you not just get an 85 and write 65mm on it in Tippex?

    Once you get in the 80 mm range, you really can tell the difference, suddenly there isn't very much light in the middle.... difficult to tell a 40 from a 50 and a 50 from a 60, but 80 are obvious. In fairness, my club use CTT rules, so I'd be fine, but I do other events on occasions
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  • bobones
    bobones Posts: 1,215
    Fair do's. 60s make sense then.

    Not Prime, but anyone looking for inexpensive and excellent carbon wheels should also consider ICAN. I got set of FL50s for £545 3 years ago - 1470g with Novatec straightpull hubs and CX-Rays. I got mine on Amazon Prime, but they now have a UK Warehouse, although there's only a couple of items currently available.