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  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    Stevo_666 said:

    MattFalle said:

    Rick is slso missing the point that alarge part of the population won't use ebikes so thry'll be stuck with a public transport system that doesn't work for them or not bring able to afford deliveries, taxis, etc.

    Fair point, but more importantly, do you rate the new Audi RS6?
    an estate car with 621bhp?

    so do everything you'll ever need a car to do at a brazilian miles an hour in total comfort and reliabilty?


    #fuck,yeah


    I'd deffo have one.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    edited December 2022
    Having watchedthe latest episode of M593 Restorations, I've also decided that I neeeeeeed an E46 M3 cabrio for summer hooning.

    Me, the Hound and TDNFNATN with a trunk full of lab coats.

    #joy
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,387
    MattFalle said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    MattFalle said:

    Rick is slso missing the point that alarge part of the population won't use ebikes so thry'll be stuck with a public transport system that doesn't work for them or not bring able to afford deliveries, taxis, etc.

    Fair point, but more importantly, do you rate the new Audi RS6?
    an estate car with 621bhp?

    so do everything you'll ever need a car to do at a brazilian miles an hour in total comfort and reliabilty?


    #censored ,yeah


    I'd deffo have one.
    I rather like it and it has the one thing that mine is missing - 4wd. The proof of the pudding will be in the driving though, might be worth trying to bag a test drive.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,165
    I think the last 300 or so HP will be unused. It is just something to boast about having.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,387
    MattFalle said:

    Having watchedthe latest episode of M593 Restorations, I've also decided that I neeeeeeed an E46 M3 cabrio for summer hooning.

    Me, the Hound and TDNFNATN with a trunk full of lab coats.

    #joy

    Sounds a good one for the summer. Not tempted by a newer model M3?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    Stevo_666 said:

    MattFalle said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    MattFalle said:

    Rick is slso missing the point that alarge part of the population won't use ebikes so thry'll be stuck with a public transport system that doesn't work for them or not bring able to afford deliveries, taxis, etc.

    Fair point, but more importantly, do you rate the new Audi RS6?
    an estate car with 621bhp?

    so do everything you'll ever need a car to do at a brazilian miles an hour in total comfort and reliabilty?


    #censored ,yeah


    I'd deffo have one.
    I rather like it and it has the one thing that mine is missing - 4wd. The proof of the pudding will be in the driving though, might be worth trying to bag a test drive.
    agree. means you can pootle in it or still be able to whatever you want up to it and haul it about.

    big enough inside to stick a couple of bikes, bags, what nots, get into Europe and shoom to dome some seriously nice cycling territory.

    debadge it, don't wash the outside, stealthy it.

    any idea on the tourque?
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644

    I think the last 300 or so HP will be unused. It is just something to boast about having.

    depends where you live tbh. Uk - yup. Germany: probably get some use. Italy: use every last drop just getting to the pizzeria at the end of the road.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,387
    MattFalle said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    MattFalle said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    MattFalle said:

    Rick is slso missing the point that alarge part of the population won't use ebikes so thry'll be stuck with a public transport system that doesn't work for them or not bring able to afford deliveries, taxis, etc.

    Fair point, but more importantly, do you rate the new Audi RS6?
    an estate car with 621bhp?

    so do everything you'll ever need a car to do at a brazilian miles an hour in total comfort and reliabilty?


    #censored ,yeah


    I'd deffo have one.
    I rather like it and it has the one thing that mine is missing - 4wd. The proof of the pudding will be in the driving though, might be worth trying to bag a test drive.
    agree. means you can pootle in it or still be able to whatever you want up to it and haul it about.

    big enough inside to stick a couple of bikes, bags, what nots, get into Europe and shoom to dome some seriously nice cycling territory.

    debadge it, don't wash the outside, stealthy it.

    any idea on the tourque?
    627 lb ft or 850nm in new money. Not too shabby. Although tbh the 516hp and 700nm in The Panzer is plenty fast enough.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,387

    I think the last 300 or so HP will be unused. It is just something to boast about having.

    The torque is good in small-ish doses, just need a bit of self restraint. There's always track days if you want to drive it like you stole it.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,104
    Re that Audi, a mate had just posted on Facebook he's thinking of getting an Audi R8 V10. He may even be serious as he's just sold a business and has history of buying fast cars - used to knock around in one of those Subaru things that dominated rallying and I remember he had a Clio Williams when they came out.

    I think for me - even if I had the money for something like an R8 unless it was really pocket change something along the lines of a hot hatch would do me. I'm thinking is your R8 going to be more fun than your old Clio and why do you need to go 0-100kmh in just over 3 seconds? Maybe I just don't get it - I end up thinking of the problems - I bet it's expensive to service, could you leave it in Sainsbury's car park and how would I fit the dogs in it?
    [Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    Fast cars should solve the problem for Rick too. The faster a car goes the quicker it is off the network and clearing road space for others. It’s the future.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,165
    The issue I have with modern fastish cars is that they are heavy and have a lot of mechanical grip. This means you are going fast when they lose grip and your inevitable accident will be carrying a lot of energy.

    They are also large, and our roads aren't.

    The range of roads I could have fun on in a 16v escort, or an mgb was much wider. And I could have more fun per se.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    I've no interest in an R8 or anything like that tbh - that Audi, an M4/5, Panzer equiv is what I'd go for every time.

    go a billion miles an hour but still room to stretch, travel comfy and fill the trunk with bikes, salami and vino rosso

    Closest I'd go to a sports car is a 911 and thats because it has back seats-ish

    Can't get the sails, all kit, shopping etc down to my yacht in an R8.
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    Pross said:

    Fast cars should solve the problem for Rick too. The faster a car goes the quicker it is off the network and clearing road space for others. It’s the future.

    exactly.

    imagine how fast you could deliver a pizza in that Audi.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    Stevo_666 said:

    I think the last 300 or so HP will be unused. It is just something to boast about having.

    The torque is good in small-ish doses, just need a bit of self restraint. There's always ingerrrland game days/Christmas day/late, late summer nights if you want to drive it like you stole it.
    ftfy
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    edited December 2022
    pinno said:

    Pross said:

    pinno said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    What about taxis? Are those still okay, or do you at least need to share?

    Gosh this is so complicated.

    Sure it’s part of a public transport system isn’t it?
    Er....
    The problem is that there isn’t enough space or resources for everyone to have private cars.

    There is where I live.
    You would be jealous of our empty roads in Jockland.
    Ripe for jolly's and bendy as fook.
    Funnily enough they’re empty because not many people live there. Ergo, it’s a small portion of the journeys made.

    This thread’s a great example of how embedded car centric thinking is. You guys literally cannot conceive of a different model.
    I’ve conceived a different model. It’s walkable communities. You bring the jobs and facilities to the people where they live so that long journeys become far fewer. You cannot conceive of this because people just have to be in London because there is nowhere else civilised in the country. You’ll say it isn’t viable and yet it was the norm in many places in my own lifetime. Neither of my parents could drive until I was about 8 and despite that I rarely went on a bus or train all whilst living in a small market town with a population of around 10,000.
    Woah, steady there Pross. Rick lives in Cambridge and commutes to the big smoke to work and is always complaining about disruption to the link.
    One major urban area to another urban area and yet, the link is intermittent and unreliable.
    I think he should get an ebike or move.
    It is remarkable how quickly people get personal.

    I’m being flippant about rural lot because, in the context of public transport, they are small fry. What rural lot do for transport is not quite irrelevant, but not that far off.

    By 2045 we’ll be 90% urban, and are currently 85% urban, so it makes sense to base the entire transport model around the 85% urban model. Not least as urban centres act as transport nodes anyway.

    As it is, the current model is unsustainable so unless you have s better alternative, let me know,

    As I said before the “the current underfunded public transport system which is still secondary to cars doesn’t work, therefore it won’t work in the future” is not a good argument.
  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,227

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    I’m being flippant about rural lot because....they are small fry.

    Oi pal. I though you were the shortarse?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    …see!
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,320

    ...

    Meh. Not gonna happen.
    Won't concern myself finding solutions that won't be implemented.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,165

    pinno said:

    Pross said:

    pinno said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    What about taxis? Are those still okay, or do you at least need to share?

    Gosh this is so complicated.

    Sure it’s part of a public transport system isn’t it?
    Er....
    The problem is that there isn’t enough space or resources for everyone to have private cars.

    There is where I live.
    You would be jealous of our empty roads in Jockland.
    Ripe for jolly's and bendy as fook.
    Funnily enough they’re empty because not many people live there. Ergo, it’s a small portion of the journeys made.

    This thread’s a great example of how embedded car centric thinking is. You guys literally cannot conceive of a different model.
    I’ve conceived a different model. It’s walkable communities. You bring the jobs and facilities to the people where they live so that long journeys become far fewer. You cannot conceive of this because people just have to be in London because there is nowhere else civilised in the country. You’ll say it isn’t viable and yet it was the norm in many places in my own lifetime. Neither of my parents could drive until I was about 8 and despite that I rarely went on a bus or train all whilst living in a small market town with a population of around 10,000.
    Woah, steady there Pross. Rick lives in Cambridge and commutes to the big smoke to work and is always complaining about disruption to the link.
    One major urban area to another urban area and yet, the link is intermittent and unreliable.
    I think he should get an ebike or move.
    It is remarkable how quickly people get personal.

    I’m being flippant about rural lot because, in the context of public transport, they are small fry. What rural lot do for transport is not quite irrelevant, but not that far off.

    By 2045 we’ll be 90% urban, and are currently 85% urban, so it makes sense to base the entire transport model around the 85% urban model. Not least as urban centres act as transport nodes anyway.

    As it is, the current model is unsustainable so unless you have s better alternative, let me know,

    As I said before the “the current underfunded public transport system which is still secondary to cars doesn’t work, therefore it won’t work in the future” is not a good argument.
    The issue is not what needs to be done for urban transport, but the attitude that this should either also be applied to rural transport (where such policies are clearly not appropriate) and/or the rural living is so bad, screw them. Even if this screws "only" 10% of a population, that's still quite a lot.

    What other 10%s aren't worth any consideration, to Ricktopians? Dyslexic people? We can't be pandering to their educational needs can we, because these don't benefit 90% of people.

    It is also raising the temperature of some urine that you have conveniently drawn your philosophical line at exactly where it happens to suit you.

    I personally think that commuting 120 miles a day, by any mode of transport, is environmentally offensive and that the solution to a sustainable transportation issue of this nature is not public transport, it is not doing the journey at all.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    edited December 2022
    Yikes, a) stop being personal and b) stop taking things personally.

    I’m talking a general solution for the nation and you’re still bellyaching about a small minority.

    And yes, I’d love to shorten my own commute, but alas there is also a house building problem, that makes it unaffordable to live near my work 👍🏻
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644

    Yikes, a) stop being personal and b) stop taking things personally.

    I’m talking a general solution for the nation and you’re still bellyaching about a small minority.

    And yes, I’d love to shorten my own commute, but alas there is also a house building problem, that makes it unaffordable to live near my work 👍🏻

    a general solution for the nation?

    wtaf?

    so far all you've done is isolate and make unemployed millions of people and left a load of electric bikes lying around in the way of people who won't use them.

    With great ideas like these Rick are we sure you aren't Liz Truss in disguise.
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    Seriously though, why do you think that ebikes will work yo solve the problem?

    serious gen up eyebrows question.
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,165

    Yikes, a) stop being personal and b) stop taking things personally.

    I’m talking a general solution for the nation and you’re still bellyaching about a small minority.

    And yes, I’d love to shorten my own commute, but alas there is also a house building problem, that makes it unaffordable to live near my work 👍🏻

    In the house ypu want, it's unaffordable. In the house I want, I need a car.

    I wasn't being personal.

    10% isn't a small minority.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661

    Yikes, a) stop being personal and b) stop taking things personally.

    I’m talking a general solution for the nation and you’re still bellyaching about a small minority.

    And yes, I’d love to shorten my own commute, but alas there is also a house building problem, that makes it unaffordable to live near my work 👍🏻

    In the house ypu want, it's unaffordable. In the house I want, I need a car.

    I wasn't being personal.

    10% isn't a small minority.
    Not sure you can get a smaller house and it’s there because I need the grandparent support for the child.

  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,165
    You could all move. Or only one of you could work. Or you could get a more local job.

    Point stands that you are self certifying your own life choices.

    I'm not actually criticising yours, just pointing out your hypocrisy.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661

    You could all move. Or only one of you could work. Or you could get a more local job.

    Point stands that you are self certifying your own life choices.

    I'm not actually criticising yours, just pointing out your hypocrisy.

    I don’t get this at all.

    I’m talking about changing the strategic focus for getting around the country away from private cars to public transport and smaller lighter, more efficient private transport (ie bikes and e-bikes) and you’re banging on about my own personal choices.

    How is what I do even remotely relevant?!
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,387
    How about starting a separate thread about public transport options and stop polluting the car thread?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,320
    Get back to us when the trains are affordable and reliable.
    Other aspects are irrelevant until that happens. Cars it is until then.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,165

    You could all move. Or only one of you could work. Or you could get a more local job.

    Point stands that you are self certifying your own life choices.

    I'm not actually criticising yours, just pointing out your hypocrisy.

    I don’t get this at all.

    I’m talking about changing the strategic focus for getting around the country away from private cars to public transport and smaller lighter, more efficient private transport (ie bikes and e-bikes) and you’re banging on about my own personal choices.

    How is what I do even remotely relevant?!
    You do indeed seem to have moderated your rhetoric, now.