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  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,166
    Stevo_666 said:

    I'd love to know how I take my car loads of censored from the garden and the house refurb to the tip on a bus or an electric bike. Or for that matter go to the supermarket for the weekly shop given that its more than can be carried in one go. Or get junior to and from Uni in Liverpool with a terms worth of stuff. Just little stuff like that.

    Pave over your garden.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,166
    edited December 2022
    Pross said:

    I want to know how all these thousands of new train or bus drivers are going to get to work when they don't have cars. Also, how do we get around when there are public transport strikes? The Rail Unions are causing enough disruption today where a lot of people have their cars as an option. I dread to think what their demands would be like knowing people had no other option for getting to work.

    You need to watch *Snowpiercer. This has all of the answers.




    *Worst premise for a sci-fi I've seen in an awfully long time. Even "Trip to the Moon" was better.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Stevo_666 said:

    I'd love to know how I take my car loads of censored from the garden and the house refurb to the tip on a bus or an electric bike. Or for that matter go to the supermarket for the weekly shop given that its more than can be carried in one go. Or get junior to and from Uni in Liverpool with a terms worth of stuff. Just little stuff like that.

    Pay for someone to pick it up or deliver it :) Much more efficient.
    _
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    rick_chasey said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    I'd love to know how I take my car loads of censored from the garden and the house refurb to the tip on a bus or an electric bike. Or for that matter go to the supermarket for the weekly shop given that its more than can be carried in one go. Or get junior to and from Uni in Liverpool with a terms worth of stuff. Just little stuff like that.

    Pay for someone to pick it up or deliver it :) Much more efficient.
    How is it more efficient? The person collecting is adding a trip to and from his house.

    What he should be doing is reusing / recycling everything to avoid all the waste.
  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,558
    Pross said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    I'd love to know how I take my car loads of censored from the garden and the house refurb to the tip on a bus or an electric bike. Or for that matter go to the supermarket for the weekly shop given that its more than can be carried in one go. Or get junior to and from Uni in Liverpool with a terms worth of stuff. Just little stuff like that.

    Pay for someone to pick it up or deliver it :) Much more efficient.
    How is it more efficient? The person collecting is adding a trip to and from his house.

    What he should be doing is reusing / recycling everything to avoid all the waste.
    Recycling by taking the stuff to the local tip from where it can be recycled is precisely what he is doing, is it not!

    Or do we need to make millions of new plastic bins and have extra lorries out collecting said items on an ad-hoc basis?
  • shirley_basso
    shirley_basso Posts: 6,195
    Given the lorry could visit multiple properties, then it's a single vehicle doing 1 long trip per fortnight (for example) rather than 100s of ad-hoc trips.

    Another refuse collection on a less frequent basis.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    Dorset_Boy said:

    Pross said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    I'd love to know how I take my car loads of censored from the garden and the house refurb to the tip on a bus or an electric bike. Or for that matter go to the supermarket for the weekly shop given that its more than can be carried in one go. Or get junior to and from Uni in Liverpool with a terms worth of stuff. Just little stuff like that.

    Pay for someone to pick it up or deliver it :) Much more efficient.
    How is it more efficient? The person collecting is adding a trip to and from his house.

    What he should be doing is reusing / recycling everything to avoid all the waste.
    Recycling by taking the stuff to the local tip from where it can be recycled is precisely what he is doing, is it not!

    Or do we need to make millions of new plastic bins and have extra lorries out collecting said items on an ad-hoc basis?
    I dunno, I was trying to think of something I'd be moaning about at a dinner party over my tofu and sun dried tomato starter and I was appalled at the thought of someone throwing something away rather than fixing it up and keeping it. It just felt like the sort of inefficient waste the Boomers did to get us in this mess.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    edited December 2022
    Pross said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    I'd love to know how I take my car loads of censored from the garden and the house refurb to the tip on a bus or an electric bike. Or for that matter go to the supermarket for the weekly shop given that its more than can be carried in one go. Or get junior to and from Uni in Liverpool with a terms worth of stuff. Just little stuff like that.

    Pay for someone to pick it up or deliver it :) Much more efficient.
    How is it more efficient? The person collecting is adding a trip to and from his house.

    What he should be doing is reusing / recycling everything to avoid all the waste.
    Having one lorry/truck going around picking up everyone's waste is more efficient than everyone taking their waste to the tip right?

    And for one offs, you can do a one off request, right? Like xmas tree pick up or your matrass or whatever.
    _
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,392
    rick_chasey said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    I'd love to know how I take my car loads of censored from the garden and the house refurb to the tip on a bus or an electric bike. Or for that matter go to the supermarket for the weekly shop given that its more than can be carried in one go. Or get junior to and from Uni in Liverpool with a terms worth of stuff. Just little stuff like that.

    Pay for someone to pick it up or deliver it :) Much more efficient.
    No. It costs a fair whack to arrange collections and they will only take certain items. Trip to the tip in my car is a quid in petrol and most of it gets recycled as you put stuff in the different skips depending on what it is, as DB has said.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Stevo_666 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    I'd love to know how I take my car loads of censored from the garden and the house refurb to the tip on a bus or an electric bike. Or for that matter go to the supermarket for the weekly shop given that its more than can be carried in one go. Or get junior to and from Uni in Liverpool with a terms worth of stuff. Just little stuff like that.

    Pay for someone to pick it up or deliver it :) Much more efficient.
    No. It costs a fair whack to arrange collections and they will only take certain items. Trip to the tip in my car is a quid in petrol and most of it gets recycled as you put stuff in the different skips depending on what it is, as DB has said.
    So in this world, think of all the money you haven't spent on your car.

    In that world, it is cheap. How much do you think your car costs per trip; including petrol, maintenance, tax, and the actual upfront cost?
    _
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    rick_chasey said:

    Pross said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    I'd love to know how I take my car loads of censored from the garden and the house refurb to the tip on a bus or an electric bike. Or for that matter go to the supermarket for the weekly shop given that its more than can be carried in one go. Or get junior to and from Uni in Liverpool with a terms worth of stuff. Just little stuff like that.

    Pay for someone to pick it up or deliver it :) Much more efficient.
    How is it more efficient? The person collecting is adding a trip to and from his house.

    What he should be doing is reusing / recycling everything to avoid all the waste.
    Having one lorry/truck going around picking up everyone's waste is more efficient than everyone taking their waste to the tip right?

    And for one offs, you can do a one off request, right? Like xmas tree pick up or your matrass or whatever.
    Any trip I make to the tip is precisely because they don't do kerbside collection of that stuff (even though there will be a facility for recycling it if I drive it to the tip myself).

    I doubt the recycling team are going to help Stevo's daughter bring her stuff back from Uni at the end of term either.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,392
    rick_chasey said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    I'd love to know how I take my car loads of censored from the garden and the house refurb to the tip on a bus or an electric bike. Or for that matter go to the supermarket for the weekly shop given that its more than can be carried in one go. Or get junior to and from Uni in Liverpool with a terms worth of stuff. Just little stuff like that.

    Pay for someone to pick it up or deliver it :) Much more efficient.
    No. It costs a fair whack to arrange collections and they will only take certain items. Trip to the tip in my car is a quid in petrol and most of it gets recycled as you put stuff in the different skips depending on what it is, as DB has said.
    So in this world, think of all the money you haven't spent on your car.

    In that world, it is cheap. How much do you think your car costs per trip; including petrol, maintenance, tax, and the actual upfront cost?
    A. I need my car for lots of things, not just tip trips. The convenience and flexibility thing is a common factor in all of this.
    B. I like my car, its fun and a great experience so I don't mind spending money on it. Killjoys can take a hike...
    C. What about all the stuff they won't take away?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    Is Rick takingthepiss here?

    He honestly can't be serious.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,392
    Pross said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Pross said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    I'd love to know how I take my car loads of censored from the garden and the house refurb to the tip on a bus or an electric bike. Or for that matter go to the supermarket for the weekly shop given that its more than can be carried in one go. Or get junior to and from Uni in Liverpool with a terms worth of stuff. Just little stuff like that.

    Pay for someone to pick it up or deliver it :) Much more efficient.
    How is it more efficient? The person collecting is adding a trip to and from his house.

    What he should be doing is reusing / recycling everything to avoid all the waste.
    Having one lorry/truck going around picking up everyone's waste is more efficient than everyone taking their waste to the tip right?

    And for one offs, you can do a one off request, right? Like xmas tree pick up or your matrass or whatever.
    Any trip I make to the tip is precisely because they don't do kerbside collection of that stuff (even though there will be a facility for recycling it if I drive it to the tip myself).

    I doubt the recycling team are going to help Stevo's daughter bring her stuff back from Uni at the end of term either.
    :smile:

    Or indeed a trip to Tesco and back. Etc etc
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • skyblueamateur
    skyblueamateur Posts: 1,498
    I’m confused. Are we doing away with all vehicles or just personal vehicles?

    Is the future not going to be an Uber style car scheme where personal ownership declines and we pay per mile?

    The future sounds well sh1te to be fair. I’m with Stevo on this one.

    I’m currently looking at buying a BMW i3 for everyday local use and will use the wife’s XC40 for longer journeys.

    I hope I definitely turn into an electric car bore.
  • skyblueamateur
    skyblueamateur Posts: 1,498
    In Ricktopia are tradesmen allowed vehicles or do they have to get on their bike as well?

    Salesmen/Reps as well?

    I assume delivery vehicles are alright?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Pross said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Pross said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    I'd love to know how I take my car loads of censored from the garden and the house refurb to the tip on a bus or an electric bike. Or for that matter go to the supermarket for the weekly shop given that its more than can be carried in one go. Or get junior to and from Uni in Liverpool with a terms worth of stuff. Just little stuff like that.

    Pay for someone to pick it up or deliver it :) Much more efficient.
    How is it more efficient? The person collecting is adding a trip to and from his house.

    What he should be doing is reusing / recycling everything to avoid all the waste.
    Having one lorry/truck going around picking up everyone's waste is more efficient than everyone taking their waste to the tip right?

    And for one offs, you can do a one off request, right? Like xmas tree pick up or your matrass or whatever.
    Any trip I make to the tip is precisely because they don't do kerbside collection of that stuff (even though there will be a facility for recycling it if I drive it to the tip myself).

    I doubt the recycling team are going to help Stevo's daughter bring her stuff back from Uni at the end of term either.
    Well yes, obviously, if we move away from car centric societies you need alternatives.

    That's obvious. But plainly, private cars are not efficient on multiple measures.
    _
  • pangolin
    pangolin Posts: 6,648
    You can imagine a bunch of guys sat around years ago saying "Cars? Hah, they'll never take off. Where would we keep all of our horses? And horse feed? What would we do with the stables? Silly idea..."
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  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    When everyone is cutting around on and relying completely on trains, trams, buses, etc, and there are no cars, what happens when the drivers go on strike?
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,320
    edited December 2022
    A few thoughts.
    E-bikes cost £**** and you're going to leave them all day at a station?
    Recommending the use of trains given your past posts?

    Your point is quite accurate for city dwellers and I cannot see the the point in owning cars if you live there. Proven by not owning a car for 5 years when I did. Start there.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
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  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,166
    Is car pooling okay? If so how many people is it okay to pool with.

    And if you can't car pool in a private vehicle, is it okay to be part of a car club and car pool, so it's more like public transport?

    Alternatively, what's the smallest acceptable bus?
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,166
    What about taxis? Are those still okay, or do you at least need to share?

    Gosh this is so complicated.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    This is all fair and well but Mr & Mrs Miggins living in their farm in the Dales still can't go anywhere at any time.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    I don’t get why taxis are allowed to use bus lanes. They’re a less environmentally friendly means of transport than just driving a car (in private hire mode). I know there’s an argument that it can enable people to use public transport for the bulk of their journey but that often isn’t the case.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,166
    MattFalle said:

    This is all fair and well but Mr & Mrs Miggins living in their farm in the Dales still can't go anywhere at any time.

    No one lives in the Dales, following the forced highland clearances of the mid 2020s, which were enforced under strict Ricktopian doctrine.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    MattFalle said:

    This is all fair and well but Mr & Mrs Miggins living in their farm in the Dales still can't go anywhere at any time.

    They should show some ambition and move to London, they can carry on being farmers if they move to Chalk Farm.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,392
    MattFalle said:

    When everyone is cutting around on and relying completely on trains, trams, buses, etc, and there are no cars, what happens when the drivers go on strike?

    Good point, my car doesn't go on strike and ask for a massive payrise. Much more reliable than anything which is at the mercy of Mick Lynch the Lefty Grinch.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,392
    I'm happy for Rick to take as many buses and ebikes as he wants, I'm sure he'll be happy. It would mean he would have much less time to post on here as he'd spend most of his waking hours just trying to get from one place to another. Is that a win-win?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,392
    MattFalle said:

    Is Rick takingthepiss here?

    He honestly can't be serious.

    It's hard to tell if he is just on another planet or if this is sophisticated trolling.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Wheelspinner
    Wheelspinner Posts: 6,694
    pangolin said:

    Wheelspinner said:

    pangolin said:

    Wheelspinner said:

    Pross said:

    rick_chasey said:

    My vision is isn't based on my own experience. At all. I've spoken to various people and read up on this myself.

    This is the future. Complaining that the public transport isn't right misses the point. The future is that it does get you there efficiently.

    You lot can't see the geometrical, energy and resource challenges clearly. mass ownership private cars are *not sustainable*.

    It would be ironic if we had insufficient energy supply because the people planning green energy facilities couldn't reach the sites as someone deemed private cars unsustainable.
    The other irony is that it is becoming apparent that for "us" to transition to a much more energy efficient society is requiring very substantially *more* energy supply to achieve than it ever has. IoT stuff everywhere, battery powered everything, vastly increased waste production.. to do what? Buy more internet-connected fridges so you can stay home and WFH longer hours to pay for more... internet connected fridges?

    There are plenty of reasons to criticise the IoT but nobody is pretending fridges with wifi are part of a more energy efficient society so not sure what you're talking about?
    Oh, sensitive much? 😀 Is software dev for the IoT devices your daily gig? There are Marketing executives everywhere who'd swear on the graves of their dead grandmother that you're wrong, and the wifi fridges are *essential* to the survival of the human race.



    Haha, I have never worked with IoT. Just baffled why you bought it up?
    Was just a random example of things that are now "smart" and electrified and/or battery powered that are entirely unnecessary, yet we accept them as normal. The list is long. Di2 for another example?


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