Cars, cars, cars...

rick_chasey

First.Aspect said:

What about taxis? Are those still okay, or do you at least need to share?

Gosh this is so complicated.

Sure it’s part of a public transport system isn’t it?

First.Aspect

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

What about taxis? Are those still okay, or do you at least need to share?

Gosh this is so complicated.

Sure it’s part of a public transport system isn’t it?

Er....

rick_chasey

First.Aspect said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

What about taxis? Are those still okay, or do you at least need to share?

Gosh this is so complicated.

Sure it’s part of a public transport system isn’t it?

Er....

The problem is that there isn’t enough space or resources for everyone to have private cars.

First.Aspect

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

What about taxis? Are those still okay, or do you at least need to share?

Gosh this is so complicated.

Sure it’s part of a public transport system isn’t it?

Er....

The problem is that there isn’t enough space or resources for everyone to have private cars.

Does thet mean no one can have a private car, that some people can have private cars, or that everyone can have a private car that they sometimes use?

pinno

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

What about taxis? Are those still okay, or do you at least need to share?

Gosh this is so complicated.

Sure it’s part of a public transport system isn’t it?

Er....

The problem is that there isn’t enough space or resources for everyone to have private cars.

Nobody is saying there is.
You have to have transport for urban areas an alternatives for rural areas.
If I lived in London, I doubt I would own a car.

rick_chasey

First.Aspect said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

What about taxis? Are those still okay, or do you at least need to share?

Gosh this is so complicated.

Sure it’s part of a public transport system isn’t it?

Er....

The problem is that there isn’t enough space or resources for everyone to have private cars.

Does thet mean no one can have a private car, that some people can have private cars, or that everyone can have a private car that they sometimes use?

I’m talking about refocusing the entire system away from private cars being the default for journeys. So they make up a really small proportion of journeys.

A bit like So cars become like horses. What weird rural/rich people do.

So it’s unusual to own a car. Instead, rather than spending £1000s a year on their own car, they spend it on deliveries, pick ups, and public transport. And, in those instances, taxis.

That then of course incentivises bike behaviour, which we can all agree isn’t used enough for shorter journeys.

I talk about e bikes as that then removes the challenge of hills.

If you really improved public transport, so people could actually use it and it wasn’t a total nightmare, then the main issue is the final mile from where the public transport stops and you’d house, and that’s when the e-bikes come in.

pinno

rick_chasey said:

A bit like So cars become like horses. What weird rural/rich people do.

You really are a screwed up individual.

Stevo_666

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

What about taxis? Are those still okay, or do you at least need to share?

Gosh this is so complicated.

Sure it’s part of a public transport system isn’t it?

Er....

The problem is that there isn’t enough space or resources for everyone to have private cars.

There is where I live.

rick_chasey

pinno said:

rick_chasey said:

A bit like So cars become like horses. What weird rural/rich people do.

You really are a screwed up individual.

Thought you’d enjoy that one

pinno

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

What about taxis? Are those still okay, or do you at least need to share?

Gosh this is so complicated.

Sure it’s part of a public transport system isn’t it?

Er....

The problem is that there isn’t enough space or resources for everyone to have private cars.

There is where I live.

You would be jealous of our empty roads in Jockland.
Ripe for jolly's and bendy as fook.

Stevo_666

rick_chasey said:

pinno said:

rick_chasey said:

A bit like So cars become like horses. What weird rural/rich people do.

You really are a screwed up individual.

Thought you’d enjoy that one

So you are trolling then?

pinno

Yeeha!

rick_chasey

pinno said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

What about taxis? Are those still okay, or do you at least need to share?

Gosh this is so complicated.

Sure it’s part of a public transport system isn’t it?

Er....

The problem is that there isn’t enough space or resources for everyone to have private cars.

There is where I live.

You would be jealous of our empty roads in Jockland.
Ripe for jolly's and bendy as fook.

Funnily enough they’re empty because not many people live there. Ergo, it’s a small portion of the journeys made.

This thread’s a great example of how embedded car centric thinking is. You guys literally cannot conceive of a different model.

Stevo_666

pinno said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

What about taxis? Are those still okay, or do you at least need to share?

Gosh this is so complicated.

Sure it’s part of a public transport system isn’t it?

Er....

The problem is that there isn’t enough space or resources for everyone to have private cars.

There is where I live.

You would be jealous of our empty roads in Jockland.
Ripe for jolly's and bendy as fook.

So there is the space but not the resources?

pinno

Stevo_666 said:

pinno said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

What about taxis? Are those still okay, or do you at least need to share?

Gosh this is so complicated.

Sure it’s part of a public transport system isn’t it?

Er....

The problem is that there isn’t enough space or resources for everyone to have private cars.

There is where I live.

You would be jealous of our empty roads in Jockland.
Ripe for jolly's and bendy as fook.

So there is the space but not the resources?

Some have, some haven't.

Stevo_666

pinno said:

Stevo_666 said:

pinno said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

What about taxis? Are those still okay, or do you at least need to share?

Gosh this is so complicated.

Sure it’s part of a public transport system isn’t it?

Er....

The problem is that there isn’t enough space or resources for everyone to have private cars.

There is where I live.

You would be jealous of our empty roads in Jockland.
Ripe for jolly's and bendy as fook.

So there is the space but not the resources?

Some have, some haven't.

C'est la vie, eh. Those that haven't can always take ebikes.

pinno

Stevo_666 said:

pinno said:

Stevo_666 said:

pinno said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

What about taxis? Are those still okay, or do you at least need to share?

Gosh this is so complicated.

Sure it’s part of a public transport system isn’t it?

Er....

The problem is that there isn’t enough space or resources for everyone to have private cars.

There is where I live.

You would be jealous of our empty roads in Jockland.
Ripe for jolly's and bendy as fook.

So there is the space but not the resources?

Some have, some haven't.

C'est la vie, eh. Those that haven't can always take ebikes.

Yeah. Shopping on an ebike, taking the girls to school on an ebike with side car for 2, getting them to and from activities on an ebike in the dark, in a gale and in pi$$ing rain on unlit roads.
Fit I will be.

Pross

rick_chasey said:

pinno said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

What about taxis? Are those still okay, or do you at least need to share?

Gosh this is so complicated.

Sure it’s part of a public transport system isn’t it?

Er....

The problem is that there isn’t enough space or resources for everyone to have private cars.

There is where I live.

You would be jealous of our empty roads in Jockland.
Ripe for jolly's and bendy as fook.

Funnily enough they’re empty because not many people live there. Ergo, it’s a small portion of the journeys made.

This thread’s a great example of how embedded car centric thinking is. You guys literally cannot conceive of a different model.

I’ve conceived a different model. It’s walkable communities. You bring the jobs and facilities to the people where they live so that long journeys become far fewer. You cannot conceive of this because people just have to be in London because there is nowhere else civilised in the country. You’ll say it isn’t viable and yet it was the norm in many places in my own lifetime. Neither of my parents could drive until I was about 8 and despite that I rarely went on a bus or train all whilst living in a small market town with a population of around 10,000.

pinno

Pross said:

rick_chasey said:

pinno said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

What about taxis? Are those still okay, or do you at least need to share?

Gosh this is so complicated.

Sure it’s part of a public transport system isn’t it?

Er....

The problem is that there isn’t enough space or resources for everyone to have private cars.

There is where I live.

You would be jealous of our empty roads in Jockland.
Ripe for jolly's and bendy as fook.

Funnily enough they’re empty because not many people live there. Ergo, it’s a small portion of the journeys made.

This thread’s a great example of how embedded car centric thinking is. You guys literally cannot conceive of a different model.

I’ve conceived a different model. It’s walkable communities. You bring the jobs and facilities to the people where they live so that long journeys become far fewer. You cannot conceive of this because people just have to be in London because there is nowhere else civilised in the country. You’ll say it isn’t viable and yet it was the norm in many places in my own lifetime. Neither of my parents could drive until I was about 8 and despite that I rarely went on a bus or train all whilst living in a small market town with a population of around 10,000.

Woah, steady there Pross. Rick lives in Cambridge and commutes to the big smoke to work and is always complaining about disruption to the link.
One major urban area to another urban area and yet, the link is intermittent and unreliable.
I think he should get an ebike or move.

briantrumpet

rick_chasey said:

pinno said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

What about taxis? Are those still okay, or do you at least need to share?

Gosh this is so complicated.

Sure it’s part of a public transport system isn’t it?

Er....

The problem is that there isn’t enough space or resources for everyone to have private cars.

There is where I live.

You would be jealous of our empty roads in Jockland.
Ripe for jolly's and bendy as fook.

Funnily enough they’re empty because not many people live there. Ergo, it’s a small portion of the journeys made.

This thread’s a great example of how embedded car centric thinking is. You guys literally cannot conceive of a different model.

Your argument might not have received the same push-back had it not been so dismissive of those who don't live in big towns.

I'm all for reducing car usage and removing the primacy of cars as the main form of transport in towns and cities, and where possible elsewhere, but the 'where possible' is where the balance between public and private transport will, in an age where easy movement of people in the 21st century, would be almost impossible to tilt back towards public, unless you depopulate the countryside.

A local Exeter cycling campaign group was optimistically suggesting promoting a 10-mile radius around Exeter for cycle commuting, but you'd have to be an absolute lunatic to commute from that distance from several directions through the winter months because of a combination of punishing hills and dark, twisty not-wide-enough roads.

As much as I dislike cars, I realise that some are likely to continue to have practical use: I'd suggest you focus your zeal on towns & cities, rather than make sweeping changes to countryside existence for which you have no sympathy in the first place.

rick_chasey

briantrumpet said:

rick_chasey said:

pinno said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

What about taxis? Are those still okay, or do you at least need to share?

Gosh this is so complicated.

Sure it’s part of a public transport system isn’t it?

Er....

The problem is that there isn’t enough space or resources for everyone to have private cars.

There is where I live.

You would be jealous of our empty roads in Jockland.
Ripe for jolly's and bendy as fook.

Funnily enough they’re empty because not many people live there. Ergo, it’s a small portion of the journeys made.

This thread’s a great example of how embedded car centric thinking is. You guys literally cannot conceive of a different model.

Your argument might not have received the same push-back had it not been so dismissive of those who don't live in big towns.

I'm all for reducing car usage and removing the primacy of cars as the main form of transport in towns and cities, and where possible elsewhere, but the 'where possible' is where the balance between public and private transport will, in an age where easy movement of people in the 21st century, would be almost impossible to tilt back towards public, unless you depopulate the countryside.

A local Exeter cycling campaign group was optimistically suggesting promoting a 10-mile radius around Exeter for cycle commuting, but you'd have to be an absolute lunatic to commute from that distance from several directions through the winter months because of a combination of punishing hills and dark, twisty not-wide-enough roads.

As much as I dislike cars, I realise that some are likely to continue to have practical use: I'd suggest you focus your zeal on towns & cities, rather than make sweeping changes to countryside existence for which you have no sympathy in the first place.

Tbf I was, as that’s where 85% of people live, but then you lot kept banging on about the countryside and people who live like hermits 4 miles from the next building.

pinno

Pross said:

rick_chasey said:

pinno said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

What about taxis? Are those still okay, or do you at least need to share?

Gosh this is so complicated.

Sure it’s part of a public transport system isn’t it?

Er....

The problem is that there isn’t enough space or resources for everyone to have private cars.

There is where I live.

You would be jealous of our empty roads in Jockland.
Ripe for jolly's and bendy as fook.

Funnily enough they’re empty because not many people live there. Ergo, it’s a small portion of the journeys made.

This thread’s a great example of how embedded car centric thinking is. You guys literally cannot conceive of a different model.

I’ve conceived a different model. It’s walkable communities. You bring the jobs and facilities to the people where they live so that long journeys become far fewer.

This ^ to an extent.
Lockdown forced a lot of people to work from home. Now they are doing both - working from home and going into work where necessary. I think this change in working patterns has been catalysed by lockdown and is a permanent shift.
In this internet age of Zoom/Skype/Whatsapp etc, I think what is needed is much better network coverage to facilitate WFH and for businesses to operate in rural areas.

I work from home and my annual mileage is iro 9k, despite living in a rural area. I travel out of the region maybe 4 times per month. That pattern in the near future will change so that I am 99% WFH.
If you live in Reading and commute to London on a daily basis by car, you are doing (48 x 5 x 84) 20k+ per annum.

Bloke in Reading needs a decent, affordable train service. Season tickets to and from Brighton are extortionate. I would be livid if I paid £4.5k pa only for it to be disrupted by industrial action. Refund please.

We have a disparate bunch of private companies running the rail, another set of private companies operating bus and coach services, some councils running bus services.
We don't really have a 'model' in the first instance and we don't know that better co-ordination between all the current transport options would yield far better communications.
Japan subsidises rail travel and catching the bullet train or the maglev isn't extortionate because they understand the economic benefits of good physical communications; getting people to work on time and quickly.

x millions are lost daily because of delays, works, repairs before you start adding cost and delays due to strikes.

rick_chasey

briantrumpet said:

rick_chasey said:

pinno said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

What about taxis? Are those still okay, or do you at least need to share?

Gosh this is so complicated.

Sure it’s part of a public transport system isn’t it?

Er....

The problem is that there isn’t enough space or resources for everyone to have private cars.

There is where I live.

You would be jealous of our empty roads in Jockland.
Ripe for jolly's and bendy as fook.

Funnily enough they’re empty because not many people live there. Ergo, it’s a small portion of the journeys made.

This thread’s a great example of how embedded car centric thinking is. You guys literally cannot conceive of a different model.

Your argument might not have received the same push-back had it not been so dismissive of those who don't live in big towns.

I'm all for reducing car usage and removing the primacy of cars as the main form of transport in towns and cities, and where possible elsewhere, but the 'where possible' is where the balance between public and private transport will, in an age where easy movement of people in the 21st century, would be almost impossible to tilt back towards public, unless you depopulate the countryside.

A local Exeter cycling campaign group was optimistically suggesting promoting a 10-mile radius around Exeter for cycle commuting, but you'd have to be an absolute lunatic to commute from that distance from several directions through the winter months because of a combination of punishing hills and dark, twisty not-wide-enough roads.

As much as I dislike cars, I realise that some are likely to continue to have practical use: I'd suggest you focus your zeal on towns & cities, rather than make sweeping changes to countryside existence for which you have no sympathy in the first place.

And this is less pie in the sky than my approach?!

Stevo_666

Any solution that only covers about 10% of the country by area isn't really worth considering.

Anyway, this thread is for discussing cars, not for bores and killjoys who want to get shot of them so let's keep it on topic. Next up: new Audi RS6 with 621bhp and a mild facelift:



Hopefully the driving experience is a bit more engaging than the previous versions which were criticised for being a bit inert if very fast and efficient.

Thoughts?

MattFalle

First.Aspect said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

What about taxis? Are those still okay, or do you at least need to share?

Gosh this is so complicated.

Sure it’s part of a public transport system isn’t it?

Er....

The problem is that there isn’t enough space or resources for everyone to have private cars.

Does thet mean no one can have a private car, that some people can have private cars, or that everyone can have a private car that they sometimes use?

some people are more equal than others?

MattFalle

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

What about taxis? Are those still okay, or do you at least need to share?

Gosh this is so complicated.

Sure it’s part of a public transport system isn’t it?

that is a) massively inaccesible to a part of the population b) inherently unreliable.

so not really a great idea.

Stevo_666

MattFalle said:

First.Aspect said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

rick_chasey said:

First.Aspect said:

What about taxis? Are those still okay, or do you at least need to share?

Gosh this is so complicated.

Sure it’s part of a public transport system isn’t it?

Er....

The problem is that there isn’t enough space or resources for everyone to have private cars.

Does thet mean no one can have a private car, that some people can have private cars, or that everyone can have a private car that they sometimes use?

some people are more equal than others?

Sounds almost Orwellian. Let's get away from such depressing **** with some pics and discussion of interesting cars

MattFalle

Rick is slso missing the point that alarge part of the population won't use ebikes so thry'll be stuck with a public transport system that doesn't work for them or not bring able to afford deliveries, taxis, etc.

MattFalle

Talking of which, when are people going to go to work when they are waiting for all these deliveries/pick ups/taxis?

Stevo_666

MattFalle said:

Rick is slso missing the point that alarge part of the population won't use ebikes so thry'll be stuck with a public transport system that doesn't work for them or not bring able to afford deliveries, taxis, etc.

Fair point, but more importantly, do you rate the new Audi RS6?