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It's testament to A Cowan that Mitsubishi held the Ralliart works team with such high esteem that they bought it and the logo.pinno said:
Ralliart - brings back a few memories of my old my Evo 6 and track days. Their accessories last well tooStevo_666 said:
I recall he and Ralliart had a good rep. Mind you the 'official' Ralliart Evos were quite pricey for those days so a lot of us went down the import route."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Prodrive for Subaru and Ralliart with Mitsubishi, the UK leads the world for Motorsport again.0
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Made me go down a memory lane wish list search. I found this...veronese68 said:Prodrive for Subaru and Ralliart with Mitsubishi, the UK leads the world for Motorsport again.
"The first P25 development car will make several runs up the hill at the Goodwood Festival of Speed, before embarking on an extensive test and development programme.
The 25 production cars will be built at Prodrive’s headquarters in Banbury, UK with the first being delivered to customers later this year.
The P25 will be UK road registered and priced at £460,000 + VAT."The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
I remember speaking to a guy whose garage specialised in restoring AC cars, I'd gone there to have a bit of paintwork done (not on an AC), and in the corner he had what looking like a small section of rotten drainpipe and the remains of a Cobra chassis plate. He was planning a 'full restoration' based on these two bits of what looked like scrap, - and the finished car would be sold as original/restored. Crazy really.
Nice to hear the mention of the Lotus Sunbeam, - three old friends have had them over the years, - one of them being the driver in the vid that Pross links to, I always thought they were great cars. Despite being a four cylinder the noise was headturning.0 -
I reckon that's pie in the sky to be honest (not that I'm against the introduction of 20mph speed limits). Lee Waters, who has shared the link, is very much anti-car and has put a block on new road building on the Welsh trunk road netowrk with a focus very much on improving public transport and active travel instead. Whilst that's generally a good thing it has also meant some much needed bypass schemes have been scrapped meaning heavy traffic continuing to have to use existing unsuitable routes through town centres.rick_chasey said:
They've already started making all roads 20mph in some areas as a trial but other than replacing 30mph signs with 20mph signs have done absolutely nothing to change the roads and therefore even when making a conscious effort to stick to 20 it is extremely difficult.0 -
You've got to respect the mullet.0 -
And the Mohican.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Freedom! Stevo:)0
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'Last of the V8 interceptors - she sucks nitrous!'
V8's rock."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
It's official.
Drive a gas-guzzler and save the planet!
https://www.gregfoot.com/post/should-you-switch-to-an-electric-car Also a very interesting pod cast by him on BBC Sounds on the same subject in his Sliced Bread series.Sometimes. Maybe. Possibly.
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Not a thorough enough test between different cars, distances other vehicles (hybrid's for example) to reach any meaningful conclusion (unfortunately).photonic69 said:It's official.
Drive a gas-guzzler and save the planet!
https://www.gregfoot.com/post/should-you-switch-to-an-electric-car Also a very interesting pod cast by him on BBC Sounds on the same subject in his Sliced Bread series.
But, enough in it as food for thought.
seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
Do I get a prize?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
On a similar vein, I think Hyrid's - self charging ICE/electric vehicles are the way forward:
Less batteries.
Less need for an infrastructure that will have to be geographically universal from rural Sutherland to megalopoli (if the government are serious about no ICE vehicle sales after 2030).
Less demand on the national grid.
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pinno said:
On a similar vein, I think Hyrid's - self charging ICE/electric vehicles are the way forward:
Less batteries.
Less need for an infrastructure that will have to be geographically universal from rural Sutherland to megalopoli (if the government are serious about no ICE vehicle sales after 2030).
Less demand on the national grid.
Must admit that I was impressed by the hire Lexus hybrid I drove (for the price of the Fiat 500 which I'd asked for). Got about 60mpg out of it in the hilly terrain of France.0 -
The future is electric bikes and better public transport.pinno said:On a similar vein, I think Hyrid's - self charging ICE/electric vehicles are the way forward:
Less batteries.
Less need for an infrastructure that will have to be geographically universal from rural Sutherland to megalopoli (if the government are serious about no ICE vehicle sales after 2030).
Less demand on the national grid.0 -
I guess you live in London or a city. Hmm. Right. I’d love to share that vision and believe that should be a focus but it’s simply not going to work in many areas that aren’t large towns or cities. I’d love to see reduced reliance on cars too, but there are many areas or groups of people where e bikes or public transport just won’t be viable. So no, ebikes ans public transport aren’t the future. Not unless public transports becomes something unrecognisable to its current form.rick_chasey said:
The future is electric bikes and better public transport.pinno said:On a similar vein, I think Hyrid's - self charging ICE/electric vehicles are the way forward:
Less batteries.
Less need for an infrastructure that will have to be geographically universal from rural Sutherland to megalopoli (if the government are serious about no ICE vehicle sales after 2030).
Less demand on the national grid.0 -
Rick believes those who live outside cities and very large towns are a sub-species that don't count. He also believes the countryside should all be built on.wavefront said:
I guess you live in London or a city. Hmm. Right. I’d love to share that vision and believe that should be a focus but it’s simply not going to work in many areas that aren’t large towns or cities. I’d love to see reduced reliance on cars too, but there are many areas or groups of people where e bikes or public transport just won’t be viable. So no, ebikes ans public transport aren’t the future. Not unless public transports becomes something unrecognisable to its current form.rick_chasey said:
The future is electric bikes and better public transport.pinno said:On a similar vein, I think Hyrid's - self charging ICE/electric vehicles are the way forward:
Less batteries.
Less need for an infrastructure that will have to be geographically universal from rural Sutherland to megalopoli (if the government are serious about no ICE vehicle sales after 2030).
Less demand on the national grid.
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Yes, by Saturday afternoon I would be able to cycle an electric bike to the nearest bus stop and take a 90 minute bus to work in time to be at my desk last Monday morning.rick_chasey said:
The future is electric bikes and better public transport.pinno said:On a similar vein, I think Hyrid's - self charging ICE/electric vehicles are the way forward:
Less batteries.
Less need for an infrastructure that will have to be geographically universal from rural Sutherland to megalopoli (if the government are serious about no ICE vehicle sales after 2030).
Less demand on the national grid.
PHEVs are a stop-gap and won't be around all that long. We will either be using fuel cells or solid state batteries. Once range is affordably further than you can drive in a day, EVs are a no-brainer.0 -
https://www.globaldata.com/data-insights/macroeconomic/urbanization-rate-in-the-united-kingdom-2096103/
These are the demographic trends re urbanisation (roughly 0.3% of the population a year moves from rural to urban) and by better public transport I don’t mean, the existing sh!t service being less sh!t, I mean a much more comprehensive system where 95% of journeys can be completed with a mixture of electric bikes and public transport.
With urbanisation trends owning a private car will increasingly be the preserve of the rich as they will be the ones who literally can afford the space they take up.
In the future private cars will be seen as a massive waste of space, and it’s the car centric mentality of the lot of you that doesn’t see that all this money spent on cars could be used to build a much more efficient and egalitarian integrated system.
EVs are not the answer; not least as the batteries alone require more rare metals than we can mine and refine.1 -
The efficiency, reliability, regenerative ability of brushless electric motors can't be argued with.
I don't like the idea of hybrids it's just more weight, added complexity to the fantasticalness of electric motors.0 -
Successive UK governments wouldn't know Integration if it was a Rottweiler that bit them on the @ss. We've never spent on infrastructure in a meaningful way.rick_chasey said:...and it’s the car centric mentality of the lot of you that doesn’t see that all this money spent on cars could be used to build a much more efficient and egalitarian integrated system.
17% of the population still live in Rural areas.
What are those people supposed to do? We cannot all live in the cities and some of us don't want to live in a city.
Given population growth, how much of that 0.3% is actually net?
If you tax ICE vehicles in a certain way (different tax bands for different densities of population) and I am talking about VED, fuel duty etc, then the market will determine the sales of EV and ICE cars. Banning sales of them after 2030 is not the solution when the infrastructure will not be there. The egg has come before the chicken.
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Sure. The “our govt won’t do it” is a tautological argument.
The future is not in private cars. The sooner people get over that, the sooner we can move to a better solution.
Private cars are neither geometrically, energy or resource efficient.
85% of the population is most people. Rural lot need to get over it. They can pay through the nose to compensate for their inefficient lives.
The rest of us can work towards a more resource and space efficient lives.0 -
Thanks for the link. Looks like the rate or urbanisation is actually slowing. In fact a number of surveys I’ve read over the last few years report up to 45% of people would prefer to move to the country with only 25% wanting to move to a city. It seems though aspirations are curtailed by the vicious circle we’re in where businesses locate to city centres to try to attract talent, and talent moves to the cities to find more work opportunities. This leaves rural areas underfunded and deprived. If businesses were to be more brave, many more people would actually prefer to live in less built up areas.rick_chasey said:https://www.globaldata.com/data-insights/macroeconomic/urbanization-rate-in-the-united-kingdom-2096103/
These are the demographic trends re urbanisation (roughly 0.3% of the population a year moves from rural to urban) and by better public transport I don’t mean, the existing sh!t service being less sh!t, I mean a much more comprehensive system where 95% of journeys can be completed with a mixture of electric bikes and public transport.
With urbanisation trends owning a private car will increasingly be the preserve of the rich as they will be the ones who literally can afford the space they take up.
In the future private cars will be seen as a massive waste of space, and it’s the car centric mentality of the lot of you that doesn’t see that all this money spent on cars could be used to build a much more efficient and egalitarian integrated system.
EVs are not the answer; not least as the batteries alone require more rare metals than we can mine and refine.
EV’s are not the answer I completely agree. I work in the auto industry (design) and for the last 15 years the term personal mobility has been heavily used rather than ‘cars’ . OEM’s are doing quite a lot of work on look at car (2.0 or 3.0 whatever you want to call it) ie what’s beyond the car, how can people stay independent, and how can journeys be easily connected. However, there is no one simple solution, and despite faffing around with different power trains the same problem remain. Public transport is difficult to implement in rural areas (20% of population live in rural areas) and cars cause major congestion in cities. I’m like you. I’m determined to help find an answer but simply saying ebikes and public transport is the future is a tad naive.0 -
It's under 16% at this point.pinno said:
Successive UK governments wouldn't know Integration if it was a Rottweiler that bit them on the @ss. We've never spent on infrastructure in a meaningful way.rick_chasey said:...and it’s the car centric mentality of the lot of you that doesn’t see that all this money spent on cars could be used to build a much more efficient and egalitarian integrated system.
17% of the population still live in Rural areas.
What are those people supposed to do? We cannot all live in the cities and some of us don't want to live in a city.
Given population growth, how much of that 0.3% is actually net?
If you tax ICE vehicles in a certain way (different tax bands for different densities of population) and I am talking about VED, fuel duty etc, then the market will determine the sales of EV and ICE cars. Banning sales of them after 2030 is not the solution when the infrastructure will not be there. The egg has come before the chicken.
Why on earth would we design for that 15.xx% of the population and not the 84.xx%? Heaven forbid the people who like living in the countryside have to make changes too.
The sensible answer to "What are those people supposed to do?" long term is probably get an electric car, or improve transport within their village, or move.- Genesis Croix de Fer
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Be like Rick. That's about it for you isn't it?rick_chasey said:Sure. The “our govt won’t do it” is a tautological argument.
The future is not in private cars. The sooner people get over that, the sooner we can move to a better solution.
Private cars are neither geometrically, energy or resource efficient.
85% of the population is most people. Rural lot need to get over it. They can pay through the nose to compensate for their inefficient lives.
The rest of us can work towards a more resource and space efficient lives.
17% of the population need to deal with it. Okay, let's roll that out more broadly shall we? Let's not waste resources on stuff that only affects about 1 in 6.0 -
I'm not saying ban private cars am i? We just need to recognise it is a sub-optimial transport solution and move away from it.First.Aspect said:
Be like Rick. That's about it for you isn't it?rick_chasey said:Sure. The “our govt won’t do it” is a tautological argument.
The future is not in private cars. The sooner people get over that, the sooner we can move to a better solution.
Private cars are neither geometrically, energy or resource efficient.
85% of the population is most people. Rural lot need to get over it. They can pay through the nose to compensate for their inefficient lives.
The rest of us can work towards a more resource and space efficient lives.
17% of the population need to deal with it. Okay, let's roll that out more broadly shall we? Let's not waste resources on stuff that only affects about 1 in 6.
What's unreasonable to suggest we gear basis of transportation around the 85% of people?
Vast majority of journeys can and should be done by public transport and e-bikes.
Rural lot need to get over that. Their needs are a minority need and so ought to take minority status. No-one is saying they shouldn't be able to get around, but bluntly, even rural people live in villages. Can't they have a bus or a train service?
I cannot see many instances where train/bus/ebike doesn't cover it, even in rural areas.
Roads can be the territory of taxis, commercial vehicles and busses.0
