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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463

    Pross said:

    Yeah was a bit of a toss up between a DB4 and DB5 to be honest.

    Mate of mine actually had one of the DB4's. Think there were only ever 5 imported to Australia.

    I helped* him do some resto/repair work on it, but he gave up when the cost of parts meant he needed a second mortgage on the house to finance it.

    He wanted a new set of pistons and rings. Contacted Aston Martin and was told they'd be delighted to forge him some, which would take several months and cost approximately GBP1000 ex-works UK.

    Each.

    In 1984.

    * I passed him spanners and made coffee as instructed. Spent the idle moments hand-polishing the rebuilt Borrani wire-spoke wheels.


    Would have been worth it in the long run.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    MattFalle said:

    just, just, just, i think i've messed myself.

    imagine TDLW in that. just frickin' amazin'.

    Everything else is just trash, pure and simple.



    Can't tell the front from the back!
  • photonic69
    photonic69 Posts: 2,798

    Can you point to a single rear engined racing car in automotive history that hasn't been a 911 taken racing?



    Um..Skoda 136 Rapid Coupe Rally. Extremely successful at rallies and won their class with boring monotony for a number of years. :p


    Sometimes. Maybe. Possibly.

  • Wheelspinner
    Wheelspinner Posts: 6,695
    Pross said:

    Pross said:

    Yeah was a bit of a toss up between a DB4 and DB5 to be honest.

    Mate of mine actually had one of the DB4's. Think there were only ever 5 imported to Australia.

    I helped* him do some resto/repair work on it, but he gave up when the cost of parts meant he needed a second mortgage on the house to finance it.

    He wanted a new set of pistons and rings. Contacted Aston Martin and was told they'd be delighted to forge him some, which would take several months and cost approximately GBP1000 ex-works UK.

    Each.

    In 1984.

    * I passed him spanners and made coffee as instructed. Spent the idle moments hand-polishing the rebuilt Borrani wire-spoke wheels.


    Would have been worth it in the long run.
    As an investment, probably true, although it might have been a fair wait till it had appreciated enough to recoup the expense. He had equally eye-watering quotes for new door skin panels, and a replacement windscreen amongst other things that needed doing.

    He bought it as one of those “shed find” cars on a trailer, spent a little money getting it actually running again, and sold it about 5 years later for 4 times what it had cost him, so he did ok. Fully restored it was worth probably triple that again, but it looked like he’d have to shell out almost the same amount anyway to do it.
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  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,318
    edited January 2022


    I knew someone would point this out - I actually like all three though the Lancia the most - is the middle one a Fiat?

    The middle is a Fiat Mirafiori. It's 2 door brother is the one I would like. I was offered one in 2005 for £5k (sniffs).





    The Lada and the Fiat are identical (bar little details) as Fiat sold the machinery that produced the Mirafiori to them.
    Was it the Fiat 128 you were thinking of?



    Is it a Fiat or is it a Lada:



    I liked the Supermirafiori because you could build something similar out of Lego back then and I distinctly remember them in the East African Safari rally as a kid.

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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    My mum had a Fiat 128 in the 80s (second car after passing her test, first was a 127).
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,318
    More box (if you are into that sort of thing:
    (We had one)


    seanoconn - gruagach craic!
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,405
    I now regret not hanging onto my old replica of Tommi Makkinens company car:
    https://motorsportmagazine.com/articles/auctions/makinen-mitsubishi-evo-breaks-world-record-at-auction
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,405
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,318
    Stevo_666 said:

    I now regret not hanging onto my old replica of Tommi Makkinens company car:
    https://motorsportmagazine.com/articles/auctions/makinen-mitsubishi-evo-breaks-world-record-at-auction

    Remember the Lancer?
    My friend got his Lotus Sunbeam resprayed up here in Jockland as it was miles cheaper than down south.
    In the corner of the bodyshop (near Gretna funnily enough) was some crates. I'll cut a long story short.
    In the crates was a heap of works Lancer parts including 3 engines, gearboxes, suspension spares - enough to put 3 cars together.
    He bought all of it for a song...
    'Ralliart' was owned by an Englishman (Andrew Cowan)
    and Mitsubishi bought the logo and into the racing division.
    When they did, they told Andrew to 'bin the lot' which was all the Lancer parts in question. Except he didn't and they ended up in Scotland.
    The problem: Lancer chassis's are hens teeth. there's a guy in Warwickshire with 3. 2 are bare but with log books.
    My friends deal was to supply 2 engines and 2 complete transmissions in return for 1 chassis and a log book but the bloke in Warks. won't budge. So he's left with 2 chassis's and no parts and my mate is left with 3 engines and 3 complete transmissions and no chassis or log book.

    The stuff will go to auction because my friend is going through a divorce. It will fetch quite a bit but way short of a complete works Lancer rally car.
    seanoconn - gruagach craic!
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,405
    pinno said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    I now regret not hanging onto my old replica of Tommi Makkinens company car:
    https://motorsportmagazine.com/articles/auctions/makinen-mitsubishi-evo-breaks-world-record-at-auction

    Remember the Lancer?
    My friend got his Lotus Sunbeam resprayed up here in Jockland as it was miles cheaper than down south.
    In the corner of the bodyshop (near Gretna funnily enough) was some crates. I'll cut a long story short.
    In the crates was a heap of works Lancer parts including 3 engines, gearboxes, suspension spares - enough to put 3 cars together.
    He bought all of it for a song...
    'Ralliart' was owned by an Englishman (Andrew Cowan)
    and Mitsubishi bought the logo and into the racing division.
    When they did, they told Andrew to 'bin the lot' which was all the Lancer parts in question. Except he didn't and they ended up in Scotland.
    The problem: Lancer chassis's are hens teeth. there's a guy in Warwickshire with 3. 2 are bare but with log books.
    My friends deal was to supply 2 engines and 2 complete transmissions in return for 1 chassis and a log book but the bloke in Warks. won't budge. So he's left with 2 chassis's and no parts and my mate is left with 3 engines and 3 complete transmissions and no chassis or log book.

    The stuff will go to auction because my friend is going through a divorce. It will fetch quite a bit but way short of a complete works Lancer rally car.
    Oops. Original Lancer? My Evo was a Lancer, just a different generation.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    Used to get to see the real deal with rally cars as Nicky Grist lived down the road from me when co-driving for Kankkunen at Toyota then McCrae at Subaru and Ford.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,405
    Pross said:

    Used to get to see the real deal with rally cars as Nicky Grist lived down the road from me when co-driving for Kankkunen at Toyota then McCrae at Subaru and Ford.

    It still amazes me watching them drive rally cars - talk about skill and balls of steel.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    Stevo_666 said:

    Pross said:

    Used to get to see the real deal with rally cars as Nicky Grist lived down the road from me when co-driving for Kankkunen at Toyota then McCrae at Subaru and Ford.

    It still amazes me watching them drive rally cars - talk about skill and balls of steel.
    I miss getting up in the early hours to spend a day every November in the forests of mid-Wales watching the RAC rally. I watched in '93 (I think) when the forest tracks were frozen, a few days later they were up in Kielder in the snow.

    It was great if you could see them in the distance on a high speed section just drifting around. The cars seem a bit boring in comparison now.

    It was even more fun watching the amateurs with more balls than brains on some of the other local rallies Epynt / Wye Dean in the old Group B cars.
  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,104
    masjer said:



    Anyhow it is about looks. A mid engined car is better proportioned. So is a front engined car. I'm sure 911s are great to drive though, despite having a big bottom.


    Not all mid-engined are aesthetically beautiful.

    I quite liked them - the styling is of its time.
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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,405
    Pross said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Pross said:

    Used to get to see the real deal with rally cars as Nicky Grist lived down the road from me when co-driving for Kankkunen at Toyota then McCrae at Subaru and Ford.

    It still amazes me watching them drive rally cars - talk about skill and balls of steel.
    I miss getting up in the early hours to spend a day every November in the forests of mid-Wales watching the RAC rally. I watched in '93 (I think) when the forest tracks were frozen, a few days later they were up in Kielder in the snow.

    It was great if you could see them in the distance on a high speed section just drifting around. The cars seem a bit boring in comparison now.

    It was even more fun watching the amateurs with more balls than brains on some of the other local rallies Epynt / Wye Dean in the old Group B cars.
    The Group B cars were mad and brilliant entertainment.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,318
    I was in the Brecon beacons for a couple of stages of the GB round of the WRC in 2002. We heard Gronholm's crash but didn't see it. We were just over the brow of the hill before the cross roads:

    17 minutes in:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lp-5QRvKPf8

    Talk about cool as a cucumber having to retire and being over a minute in front at that point.
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  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,151
    edited January 2022

    😠

  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,318
    I do like the Delta Integrale (not sure of it in green though).
    You couldn't get a full blown factory RHD HF Integrale, they didn't make one for the UK market.

    I like it in yellow.


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  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    Integrale in full Martini colours - a thing of such joyous obnoxiousness its wonderful.

    Mk1 Escort Mexico in yellow/black or, tbh, any colour.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • masjer
    masjer Posts: 2,656
    One of the rich kids I went to school with had a Lancia Delta Integrale at 17 years old. Not a bad first car!
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,328
    masjer said:

    One of the rich kids I went to school with had a Lancia Delta Integrale at 17 years old. Not a bad first car!

    Was it still in one piece at 18 years old?
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
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  • masjer
    masjer Posts: 2,656
    Amazingly, yes. Daddy would have bought a replacement otherwise.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,328
    masjer said:

    Amazingly, yes. Daddy would have bought a replacement otherwise.

    I'm disappointed by his lack of commitment. 😉
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
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  • masjer
    masjer Posts: 2,656
    Maybe the 4 WD system was too good.
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,318
    MattFalle said:

    Integrale in full Martini colours - a thing of such joyous obnoxiousness its wonderful.

    Mk1 Escort Mexico in yellow/black or, tbh, any colour.

    MK1 Mexico in white with the blue stripe and loads of spotlights on the front... i'm looking for a pic...

    A ha!


    seanoconn - gruagach craic!
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,328
    pinno said:

    MattFalle said:

    Integrale in full Martini colours - a thing of such joyous obnoxiousness its wonderful.

    Mk1 Escort Mexico in yellow/black or, tbh, any colour.

    MK1 Mexico in white with the blue stripe and loads of spotlights on the front... i'm looking for a pic...

    A ha!


    I knew of guys who fitted V8s into those, sorted the gearing, brakes and suspension fine tuned on the track, then blew off the rich boys in their Porches on the local roads.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    Preferred the MK2 myself.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    pblakeney said:

    pinno said:

    MattFalle said:

    Integrale in full Martini colours - a thing of such joyous obnoxiousness its wonderful.

    Mk1 Escort Mexico in yellow/black or, tbh, any colour.

    MK1 Mexico in white with the blue stripe and loads of spotlights on the front... i'm looking for a pic...

    A ha!


    I knew of guys who fitted V8s into those, sorted the gearing, brakes and suspension fine tuned on the track, then blew off the rich boys in their Porches on the local roads.
    that thing. grazie mille!

    absolutely blimmin' wonderful.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • MattFalle
    MattFalle Posts: 11,644
    Pross said:

    Preferred the MK2 myself.

    well you're wrong.
    .
    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.