Cars, cars, cars...

veronese68

ddraver said:

Slightly OT - what do the Motorbikers carry to deal with punctures?

You can get repair kits with a hole punch, some glue and a patch shaped like a mushroom or umbrella. Kind of like a tubeless repair kit for a push bike. Alternatively a can of foam puncture repair stuff kept under the saddle.

MattFalle

Nothing but yup, as above, cans of foam are available.

AA card, mobile 'phone, number plate held on by velcro.

All you need.

seanoconn

Don’t really understand the appeal of SUV’s. Pointlessly big and heavy without being particularly roomy inside. Why waste petrol/diesel/battery on extra weight you don’t need.

My MPV (yes that’s still a thing) is perfect. Ugly as hell, 0-60 in about 13 seconds, boring to drive but is extremely comfortable, great view of the road and will do 60mpg with adults, several kids and a bunch of cr@p in the back.

Pross

seanoconn said:

Don’t really understand the appeal of SUV’s. Pointlessly big and heavy without being particularly roomy inside. Why waste petrol/diesel/battery on extra weight you don’t need.

My MPV (yes that’s still a thing) is perfect. Ugly as hell, 0-60 in about 13 seconds, boring to drive but is extremely comfortable, great view of the road and will do 60mpg with adults, several kids and a bunch of cr@p in the back.

Why would sn MPV be lighter and more fuel efficient than an SUV?

Having had several estates and SUVs I agree that SUVs seem to have far less usable space than their size suggests (although modern estates seem to also have a habit of having curved rooves and wheel arches that mess up their practicality too). My Focus estate carried far more than my Qashqai but the seating position in the Qashqai gives more passenger legroom. The wife also finds she is prone to travel sickness in the Qashqai than any other car I've had (my 3 Series compacts were the worst for her).

Fuel efficiency on my 1.6D Focus estate was slightly lower than on my 1.6D Qashqai. I think the tyres were the same size too so not sure how they would cause more pollution. Doubt there was much in the weight either, it's only a few cm2 of additional aluminium after all

Pross

ddraver said:

Slightly OT - what do the Motorbikers carry to deal with punctures?

I had one yesterday and I'm slightly ashamed to say it genuinely flummoxed me. On a proper bike you carry a tube under the saddle, in a car you have a spare wheel. On a motorbike...???

(It was slow enough that I could get home by pumping it up every 15 mins or so and going very careful, but it's not a problem I'd like to have again if poss...)

Not many cars have a spare wheel these days either. Can of goo and an inflator is all mine has, feels like the opposite of progress to me.

briantrumpet

Pross said:

ddraver said:

Slightly OT - what do the Motorbikers carry to deal with punctures?

I had one yesterday and I'm slightly ashamed to say it genuinely flummoxed me. On a proper bike you carry a tube under the saddle, in a car you have a spare wheel. On a motorbike...???

(It was slow enough that I could get home by pumping it up every 15 mins or so and going very careful, but it's not a problem I'd like to have again if poss...)

Not many cars have a spare wheel these days either. Can of goo and an inflator is all mine has, feels like the opposite of progress to me.

Should have a BAF Almera for a proper spare tyre

seanoconn

Pross said:

seanoconn said:

Don’t really understand the appeal of SUV’s. Pointlessly big and heavy without being particularly roomy inside. Why waste petrol/diesel/battery on extra weight you don’t need.

My MPV (yes that’s still a thing) is perfect. Ugly as hell, 0-60 in about 13 seconds, boring to drive but is extremely comfortable, great view of the road and will do 60mpg with adults, several kids and a bunch of cr@p in the back.

Why would sn MPV be lighter and more fuel efficient than an SUV?

Having had several estates and SUVs I agree that SUVs seem to have far less usable space than their size suggests (although modern estates seem to also have a habit of having curved rooves and wheel arches that mess up their practicality too). My Focus estate carried far more than my Qashqai but the seating position in the Qashqai gives more passenger legroom. The wife also finds she is prone to travel sickness in the Qashqai than any other car I've had (my 3 Series compacts were the worst for her).

Fuel efficiency on my 1.6D Focus estate was slightly lower than on my 1.6D Qashqai. I think the tyres were the same size too so not sure how they would cause more pollution. Doubt there was much in the weight either, it's only a few cm2 of additional aluminium after all

SUV’s are bulky for bulk sakes, overweight beasts built with the sole purpose of empowering the driver (who usually can’t drive the flipping monster) MPV’s/estates are large aluminium frames filled with air.

orraloon

On the 'why SUV?' thing: once had a hire car which was a Vauxhall Mokka, a small SUV allegedly. Bizarre: inside was just like the normal Corsa but outside all around was that bit bigger. Cars on steroids. What's the point? Still small, no way one could boss a XC90 or the like.

elbowloh

seanoconn said:

Pross said:

seanoconn said:

Don’t really understand the appeal of SUV’s. Pointlessly big and heavy without being particularly roomy inside. Why waste petrol/diesel/battery on extra weight you don’t need.

My MPV (yes that’s still a thing) is perfect. Ugly as hell, 0-60 in about 13 seconds, boring to drive but is extremely comfortable, great view of the road and will do 60mpg with adults, several kids and a bunch of cr@p in the back.

Why would sn MPV be lighter and more fuel efficient than an SUV?

Having had several estates and SUVs I agree that SUVs seem to have far less usable space than their size suggests (although modern estates seem to also have a habit of having curved rooves and wheel arches that mess up their practicality too). My Focus estate carried far more than my Qashqai but the seating position in the Qashqai gives more passenger legroom. The wife also finds she is prone to travel sickness in the Qashqai than any other car I've had (my 3 Series compacts were the worst for her).

Fuel efficiency on my 1.6D Focus estate was slightly lower than on my 1.6D Qashqai. I think the tyres were the same size too so not sure how they would cause more pollution. Doubt there was much in the weight either, it's only a few cm2 of additional aluminium after all

SUV’s are bulky for bulk sakes, overweight beasts built with the sole purpose of empowering the driver (who usually can’t drive the flipping monster) MPV’s/estates are large aluminium frames filled with air.

Already said my SUV is the same size as a golf, but a bit higher. Same boot size. It the same weight as the lightest golf,but 250 kgs less than the heaviest. It also emits less co2 than a golf with the same size engine

elbowloh

orraloon said:

On the 'why SUV?' thing: once had a hire car which was a Vauxhall Mokka, a small SUV allegedly. Bizarre: inside was just like the normal Corsa but outside all around was that bit bigger. Cars on steroids. What's the point? Still small, no way one could boss a XC90 or the like.

For us it was about ease of getting kids and out of the back. Don't need to bend over. In previous cars, beetle and a BMW 330e it was hard for both myself and my wife. Doubly so when wife was pregnant with number 2.

First.Aspect

SUV = High driving position, required because everyone else has a high driving position.

Full disclosure - we have an ePace. It's fine. Just not that comfortable in comparison to having your legs stretched out in front of you, like you get in a sportyish salloon.

Got it for 4wd. Can't understand a fwd SUV.

monkimark

I have a "sticky worms" repair kit which I have used a few times and it works well.
A bit like this https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Emergency-Car-Van-Motorcycle-Puncture-Repair-Kit-Tyre-Plug-Tubeless-Flat-Tire-UK-/264908720123?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286&mkrid=710-127635-2958-0

The tricky bit is getting the tyre pumped up again. I carry a load of CO2 cannisters but I've always managed to limp to a garage to repair and reinstate.

I guy I work with has one of those compressors that you plug into a 12v socket. He stripped off all the casings and it fits under the seat of his Fireblade.

ddraver said:

Slightly OT - what do the Motorbikers carry to deal with punctures?

I had one yesterday and I'm slightly ashamed to say it genuinely flummoxed me. On a proper bike you carry a tube under the saddle, in a car you have a spare wheel. On a motorbike...???

(It was slow enough that I could get home by pumping it up every 15 mins or so and going very careful, but it's not a problem I'd like to have again if poss...)

wavefront

pinno said:

shirley_basso said:

997 over a 996?

Definitely. Don't like those front headlights on the 996.
Would love a 993. Possibly the 911 that ticks all boxes:
Better handling than the 964 turbo (not as over powered)
Air cooled
Styling is still iconic 911 before everything was rounded off a little bit too much
Not over engineered
No LCD displays, all analogue dials
Retains that purely (sparse) functional interior.

But, either way - the 996 or 997: last of the analogue 911's. (I can work on it).
I doubt I would replace the 997 with something more modern.

Personally, I think you should consider a Cayman for your first Porker.
Handling is superb. Older one's are serious VFM. Use it for 10,000 miles and p/x it for a 996/997.

This is when I begin to hate myself, because I’m a complete contradiction. I love small cars, light ones, ones that are affordable and offer what you truly need and nothing more. And I’ll wax lyrical over them - twizy, aime, twingo, pandas, even a MF spec Aygo.

Then I find myself dreaming of a 911. Far too often. And, as you said it would have to be a 993. Nothing else will do. In a pale grey/blue, just a basic spec one. I had a chance to have one about 10yrs ago and I didn’t go for it (got a Boxster instead) Still kick myself as that opportunity won’t come round again.

993, 992, 964, 997, 991, 996… that’s the proper order of desirability.

pinno

First.Aspect said:

...is that they are pig ugly.

Golly!
911's are all curves. The outline of any 911 would be immediately recognisable.
Cars look so sameish nowadays - even super cars.
When every car manufacturer has reached the same aerodynamic conclusions coupled with cabin space and safety designs, what you get is Nissoyotaclonewagons - legions of them.
When I scan my eyes across the supermarket car park, the general shape of saloons are all similar: from a Lexus to a BMW to a Skoda to an Audi. Don't get me started on SUV's, MPV''s and those damn XC90's. Then you have the micro cars which look like they are made in the same deluded factory. They are all so boring.
But the Porsche stands out. It's shape is iconic.

First.Aspect

pinno said:

First.Aspect said:

...is that they are pig ugly.

Golly!
911's are all curves. The outline of any 911 would be immediately recognisable.
Cars look so sameish nowadays - even super cars.
When every car manufacturer has reached the same aerodynamic conclusions coupled with cabin space and safety designs, what you get is Nissoyotaclonewagons - legions of them.
When I scan my eyes across the supermarket car park, the general shape of saloons are all similar: from a Lexus to a BMW to a Skoda to an Audi. Don't get me started on SUV's, MPV''s and those damn XC90's. Then you have the micro cars which look like they are made in the same deluded factory. They are all so boring.
But the Porsche stands out. It's shape is iconic.

Sure. So is a Beetle, or a Mini. To my eye it is unbalanced though. Objectively it is more desirable than a Cayman, but I think a Cayman is the better design.

Given the budget I'd probably plump for an Alpine at the moment.

briantrumpet

First.Aspect said:

pinno said:

First.Aspect said:

...is that they are pig ugly.

Golly!
911's are all curves. The outline of any 911 would be immediately recognisable.
Cars look so sameish nowadays - even super cars.
When every car manufacturer has reached the same aerodynamic conclusions coupled with cabin space and safety designs, what you get is Nissoyotaclonewagons - legions of them.
When I scan my eyes across the supermarket car park, the general shape of saloons are all similar: from a Lexus to a BMW to a Skoda to an Audi. Don't get me started on SUV's, MPV''s and those damn XC90's. Then you have the micro cars which look like they are made in the same deluded factory. They are all so boring.
But the Porsche stands out. It's shape is iconic.

Sure. So is a Beetle, or a Mini. To my eye it is unbalanced though. Objectively it is more desirable than a Cayman, but I think a Cayman is the better design.

Given the budget I'd probably plump for an Alpine at the moment.

Chrysler Alpine? My gran looked at one of those. but got a Sunbeam instead.

orraloon

Who tf takes their Porsche to a supermarket? Actually, hold that. Saw one this pm. Bloke laboriously parking up, back and forth, back and forth, wassamatter wit you? As I'm putting my bags inside through a door, several to choose from, bloke is getting some squeezed plastic bags from under the bonnet boot in the front. Bit like the Beetle I had many many many moons ago. Assume only 1 bag as no space for any more. How does one panic buy pasta and bog rolls in a Porch?

First.Aspect

briantrumpet said:

First.Aspect said:

pinno said:

First.Aspect said:

...is that they are pig ugly.

Golly!
911's are all curves. The outline of any 911 would be immediately recognisable.
Cars look so sameish nowadays - even super cars.
When every car manufacturer has reached the same aerodynamic conclusions coupled with cabin space and safety designs, what you get is Nissoyotaclonewagons - legions of them.
When I scan my eyes across the supermarket car park, the general shape of saloons are all similar: from a Lexus to a BMW to a Skoda to an Audi. Don't get me started on SUV's, MPV''s and those damn XC90's. Then you have the micro cars which look like they are made in the same deluded factory. They are all so boring.
But the Porsche stands out. It's shape is iconic.

Sure. So is a Beetle, or a Mini. To my eye it is unbalanced though. Objectively it is more desirable than a Cayman, but I think a Cayman is the better design.

Given the budget I'd probably plump for an Alpine at the moment.

Chrysler Alpine? My gran looked at one of those. but got a Sunbeam instead.

I quite like that. Did.it come with a record player as standard equipment?

pinno

briantrumpet said:

First.Aspect said:

pinno said:

First.Aspect said:

...is that they are pig ugly.

Golly!
911's are all curves. The outline of any 911 would be immediately recognisable.
Cars look so sameish nowadays - even super cars.
When every car manufacturer has reached the same aerodynamic conclusions coupled with cabin space and safety designs, what you get is Nissoyotaclonewagons - legions of them.
When I scan my eyes across the supermarket car park, the general shape of saloons are all similar: from a Lexus to a BMW to a Skoda to an Audi. Don't get me started on SUV's, MPV''s and those damn XC90's. Then you have the micro cars which look like they are made in the same deluded factory. They are all so boring.
But the Porsche stands out. It's shape is iconic.

Sure. So is a Beetle, or a Mini. To my eye it is unbalanced though. Objectively it is more desirable than a Cayman, but I think a Cayman is the better design.

Given the budget I'd probably plump for an Alpine at the moment.

Chrysler Alpine? My gran looked at one of those. but got a Sunbeam instead.

We won't agree and that's fine. To me, the Cayman is somehow concatenated - a 911 with an abbreviated back end.

First.Aspect

pinno said:

briantrumpet said:

First.Aspect said:

pinno said:

First.Aspect said:

...is that they are pig ugly.

Golly!
911's are all curves. The outline of any 911 would be immediately recognisable.
Cars look so sameish nowadays - even super cars.
When every car manufacturer has reached the same aerodynamic conclusions coupled with cabin space and safety designs, what you get is Nissoyotaclonewagons - legions of them.
When I scan my eyes across the supermarket car park, the general shape of saloons are all similar: from a Lexus to a BMW to a Skoda to an Audi. Don't get me started on SUV's, MPV''s and those damn XC90's. Then you have the micro cars which look like they are made in the same deluded factory. They are all so boring.
But the Porsche stands out. It's shape is iconic.

Sure. So is a Beetle, or a Mini. To my eye it is unbalanced though. Objectively it is more desirable than a Cayman, but I think a Cayman is the better design.

Given the budget I'd probably plump for an Alpine at the moment.

Chrysler Alpine? My gran looked at one of those. but got a Sunbeam instead.

We won't agree and that's fine. To me, the Cayman is somehow concatenated - a 911 with an abbreviated back end.

The 911 looks like it has had a butt lift. Sorry.

Would be interested in one of the first ones side on. Bet it's proportioned more like the Cayman.

briantrumpet

First.Aspect said:

briantrumpet said:

First.Aspect said:

pinno said:

First.Aspect said:

...is that they are pig ugly.

Golly!
911's are all curves. The outline of any 911 would be immediately recognisable.
Cars look so sameish nowadays - even super cars.
When every car manufacturer has reached the same aerodynamic conclusions coupled with cabin space and safety designs, what you get is Nissoyotaclonewagons - legions of them.
When I scan my eyes across the supermarket car park, the general shape of saloons are all similar: from a Lexus to a BMW to a Skoda to an Audi. Don't get me started on SUV's, MPV''s and those damn XC90's. Then you have the micro cars which look like they are made in the same deluded factory. They are all so boring.
But the Porsche stands out. It's shape is iconic.

Sure. So is a Beetle, or a Mini. To my eye it is unbalanced though. Objectively it is more desirable than a Cayman, but I think a Cayman is the better design.

Given the budget I'd probably plump for an Alpine at the moment.

Chrysler Alpine? My gran looked at one of those. but got a Sunbeam instead.

I quite like that. Did.it come with a record player as standard equipment?

Wind-up gramophone.

pblakeney

pinno said:

briantrumpet said:

First.Aspect said:

pinno said:

First.Aspect said:

...is that they are pig ugly.

Golly!
911's are all curves. The outline of any 911 would be immediately recognisable.
Cars look so sameish nowadays - even super cars.
When every car manufacturer has reached the same aerodynamic conclusions coupled with cabin space and safety designs, what you get is Nissoyotaclonewagons - legions of them.
When I scan my eyes across the supermarket car park, the general shape of saloons are all similar: from a Lexus to a BMW to a Skoda to an Audi. Don't get me started on SUV's, MPV''s and those damn XC90's. Then you have the micro cars which look like they are made in the same deluded factory. They are all so boring.
But the Porsche stands out. It's shape is iconic.

Sure. So is a Beetle, or a Mini. To my eye it is unbalanced though. Objectively it is more desirable than a Cayman, but I think a Cayman is the better design.

Given the budget I'd probably plump for an Alpine at the moment.

Chrysler Alpine? My gran looked at one of those. but got a Sunbeam instead.

We won't agree and that's fine. To me, the Cayman is somehow concatenated - a 911 with an abbreviated back end.

Top one wins it for me based purely on aesthetics.

pinno

Short 'butt' - fugly:

pinno

Proportions - wrong.

pinno

pblakeney said:

pinno said:

briantrumpet said:

First.Aspect said:

pinno said:

First.Aspect said:

...is that they are pig ugly.

Golly!
911's are all curves. The outline of any 911 would be immediately recognisable.
Cars look so sameish nowadays - even super cars.
When every car manufacturer has reached the same aerodynamic conclusions coupled with cabin space and safety designs, what you get is Nissoyotaclonewagons - legions of them.
When I scan my eyes across the supermarket car park, the general shape of saloons are all similar: from a Lexus to a BMW to a Skoda to an Audi. Don't get me started on SUV's, MPV''s and those damn XC90's. Then you have the micro cars which look like they are made in the same deluded factory. They are all so boring.
But the Porsche stands out. It's shape is iconic.

Sure. So is a Beetle, or a Mini. To my eye it is unbalanced though. Objectively it is more desirable than a Cayman, but I think a Cayman is the better design.

Given the budget I'd probably plump for an Alpine at the moment.

Chrysler Alpine? My gran looked at one of those. but got a Sunbeam instead.

We won't agree and that's fine. To me, the Cayman is somehow concatenated - a 911 with an abbreviated back end.

Top one wins it for me based purely on aesthetics.

Heathen.

pblakeney

pinno said:

pblakeney said:

pinno said:

briantrumpet said:

First.Aspect said:

pinno said:

First.Aspect said:

...is that they are pig ugly.

Golly!
911's are all curves. The outline of any 911 would be immediately recognisable.
Cars look so sameish nowadays - even super cars.
When every car manufacturer has reached the same aerodynamic conclusions coupled with cabin space and safety designs, what you get is Nissoyotaclonewagons - legions of them.
When I scan my eyes across the supermarket car park, the general shape of saloons are all similar: from a Lexus to a BMW to a Skoda to an Audi. Don't get me started on SUV's, MPV''s and those damn XC90's. Then you have the micro cars which look like they are made in the same deluded factory. They are all so boring.
But the Porsche stands out. It's shape is iconic.

Sure. So is a Beetle, or a Mini. To my eye it is unbalanced though. Objectively it is more desirable than a Cayman, but I think a Cayman is the better design.

Given the budget I'd probably plump for an Alpine at the moment.

Chrysler Alpine? My gran looked at one of those. but got a Sunbeam instead.

We won't agree and that's fine. To me, the Cayman is somehow concatenated - a 911 with an abbreviated back end.

Top one wins it for me based purely on aesthetics.

Heathen.

Been called worse.

pinno

pblakeney said:

pinno said:

pblakeney said:

pinno said:

briantrumpet said:

First.Aspect said:

pinno said:

First.Aspect said:

...is that they are pig ugly.

Golly!
911's are all curves. The outline of any 911 would be immediately recognisable.
Cars look so sameish nowadays - even super cars.
When every car manufacturer has reached the same aerodynamic conclusions coupled with cabin space and safety designs, what you get is Nissoyotaclonewagons - legions of them.
When I scan my eyes across the supermarket car park, the general shape of saloons are all similar: from a Lexus to a BMW to a Skoda to an Audi. Don't get me started on SUV's, MPV''s and those damn XC90's. Then you have the micro cars which look like they are made in the same deluded factory. They are all so boring.
But the Porsche stands out. It's shape is iconic.

Sure. So is a Beetle, or a Mini. To my eye it is unbalanced though. Objectively it is more desirable than a Cayman, but I think a Cayman is the better design.

Given the budget I'd probably plump for an Alpine at the moment.

Chrysler Alpine? My gran looked at one of those. but got a Sunbeam instead.

We won't agree and that's fine. To me, the Cayman is somehow concatenated - a 911 with an abbreviated back end.

Top one wins it for me based purely on aesthetics.

Heathen.

Been called worse.

But not by me (yet)

Stevo_666

If you're going the 911 route, would have to be a GT3 for me. Price and hens teeth availability aside.

shirley_basso

I don't find the 992 or 991 particularly desirable. I like the 993 / 964, sure but the 997 is really nice looking (although the headlights look like the come from a new VW beetile). The 996 is pretty ugly but given enough time it grows on you - which is perfect for me, as it's all I can afford!

MattFalle

Stevo_666 said:

If you're going the 911 route, would have to be a GT3 for me. Price and hens teeth availability aside.

this, totally.

i'd really, really love one but could I use it proper enough to make me giggle insanely without getting busted by the Po Po every four days? Not a chance.

Quite fancy an Abarth 595 when bambina gets the Aygo in a couple of years tbh.