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  • Max teams of 5 for the men and 4 for the women, allocated based on UCI nation ranking
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,593
    Top men's nations were definitely 5. I thought it was always fairly small teams at Olympics. I could be wrong but my memory of 2012 was GB not having much support for Cav.
  • jimmyjams
    jimmyjams Posts: 784
    davidof said:

    It is hard to find an analogue for men's racing. Maybe the French entering Peter Pouly for some mad reason and him getting 18 minutes on the bunch and winning. It would never happen in such a race... yes in the Tour occasionally the sprint teams misjudge a break and some relative unknown takes the stage.

    I mean, it is completely ridiculous, unthinkable, a woman who has one noticeable prior result (1st on the Ventoux stage of the Ardeche) AFAIKS sneaking off with Olympic gold. There should really be an investigation to see what happened, was it the organization, the Dutch or just the women's pro peleton in general. It reflects really badly on women's road racing tbh.


    From the Kiesenhofer results I've since seen, I think you are running her down quite a bit; she has won the Austrian TT title for about the last 5 years, and had other decent TT/RR results. I'm not a fan of TTs, but she seems good in both flat ones and mountain ones, so not someone to simply dismiss.

    On the road, Pouly seems to have been no more than a good cyclosportiver (I had to look him up).

    Kiesenhofer also seems to like the Ardeche (based on her successes in Ardeche-Tours over several years), which to me is also a plus-point (because of me liking the area).
  • neonriver
    neonriver Posts: 228

    Team sizes at the Olympics (and Worlds) are determined by UCI ranking points, but the certainly the women had a max of 4. Maybe the men had a max of 5, but team GB only had 4 mens riders amd 2 women.
    At 2012, teams were at least double the size.

    It was the same as 2012 max 5 for men’s team, 4 for women’s teams
  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,575
    Team allocations were made via the UCI rankings. For the men this meant a maximum team size of five riders, but just four for the women. The men's race had a field of 130 riders, the women's just 67.

    I believe that for Paris 2024 there will be gender parity in the road race fields, but that will mean a reduction for the men.
  • mrb123
    mrb123 Posts: 4,833
    Cavendish, Wiggins, Froome, Stannard, Millar.

    Incredible team. My recollection is them doing massive shifts on the front but no-one else would work, didn't want to tow Cav to the line.
  • daniel_b
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    Evening all, just watching the women's road race. Gcn commentators bemused me. Keisenhofer 5 minutes out in front, van vleuten attempting to make it across, and they are talking about the leader backing off to try and wirk with vv to guarantee a medal. I'd only been watching since 50k to go, but even I could tell that was nonsense.

    Anyway, I digress.

    The Mtb xc race starts at 07:00 uk time tomorrow, they usually last an hour, 90 minutes or so?
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    edited July 2021


    At 2012, teams were at least double the size.


    No, they weren't: https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/olympic-games/2012/result/startlist

    Admittedly Vino's unofficial team had about seven riders in the break
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  • Mad_Malx
    Mad_Malx Posts: 5,183
    daniel_b said:

    Evening all, just watching the women's road race. Gcn commentators bemused me. Keisenhofer 5 minutes out in front, van vleuten attempting to make it across, and they are talking about the leader backing off to try and wirk with vv to guarantee a medal. I'd only been watching since 50k to go, but even I could tell that was nonsense.

    Anyway, I digress.

    The Mtb xc race starts at 07:00 uk time tomorrow, they usually last an hour, 90 minutes or so?

    I hadn’t spotted that. I’m quite enjoying starting the day with a race to watch.
  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,611
    Yeah, should have used Google shouldn't I! Maybe it was seeing them GB ride past me 8 or 9 times in Mickleham in 2012 that made me think there were more of them!

    Teams are bigger at the worlds though aren't they?
  • m.r.m.
    m.r.m. Posts: 3,486
    mrb123 said:

    Yeah, sure I counted at least 5 Italians. Assumed it was some sort of seeding affair. Didn't they say Carapaz only had one teammate?

    Yeah Carapaz only had Jhonatan Narvaez.
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  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    mrb123 said:

    Cavendish, Wiggins, Froome, Stannard, Millar.

    And Eisel.

    Correlation is not causation.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262

    mrb123 said:

    Cavendish, Wiggins, Froome, Stannard, Millar.

    And Eisel.


    And Kiryienka did some early work, although he didn't join Sky until the next season, so it was conceivable that he was just getting some training in for the TT.
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  • davidof
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    jimmyjams said:


    From the Kiesenhofer results I've since seen, I think you are running her down quite a bit; she has won the Austrian TT title for about the last 5 years, and had other decent TT/RR results.

    Let's face it, even the riders in the women's peleton didn't know who she was.

    To be honest the women's race was shit, it was a pretty bad representation of female cycling. Remember that the Olympics is the place that women's cycling gets to all parts of the world, a place to show how cool female cycling is. It was such a mess.
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  • Pross
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    davidof said:

    jimmyjams said:


    From the Kiesenhofer results I've since seen, I think you are running her down quite a bit; she has won the Austrian TT title for about the last 5 years, and had other decent TT/RR results.

    Let's face it, even the riders in the women's peleton didn't know who she was.

    To be honest the women's race was shit, it was a pretty bad representation of female cycling. Remember that the Olympics is the place that women's cycling gets to all parts of the world, a place to show how cool female cycling is. It was such a mess.
    They said in commentary that she had raced at the top level on the women's tour at one point (they may have just a season).
  • Pross
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    Absolute farce at the start of the triathlon. Gun went when half the field had the boat in the way. Could have chopped them up!
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    Pross said:



    They said in commentary that she had raced at the top level on the women's tour at one point (they may have just a season).


    She had half a season at Lotto Soudal in 2017
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  • RichN95.
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    Pross said:

    Absolute farce at the start of the triathlon. Gun went when half the field had the boat in the way. Could have chopped them up!


    Thanks for the tip off. I didn't realise that was on now. It must be about 7am in Tokyo
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,593
    6.30, I assumed it was a highlights programme starting. Boats still haven't learned and are virtually on top of the swimmers
  • davidof
    davidof Posts: 3,127
    edited July 2021
    Pross said:

    davidof said:

    jimmyjams said:


    From the Kiesenhofer results I've since seen, I think you are running her down quite a bit; she has won the Austrian TT title for about the last 5 years, and had other decent TT/RR results.

    Let's face it, even the riders in the women's peleton didn't know who she was.

    To be honest the women's race was shit, it was a pretty bad representation of female cycling. Remember that the Olympics is the place that women's cycling gets to all parts of the world, a place to show how cool female cycling is. It was such a mess.
    They said in commentary that she had raced at the top level on the women's tour at one point (they may have just a season).
    Here you go

    23.04.17 DNS Liège-Bastogne-Liège Femmes
    19.04.17 DNF La Flèche Wallonne Féminine
    16.04.17 DNF Amstel Gold Race
    03.04.17 DNF Grand Prix de Dottignies (1.2)
    29.03.17 DNF Pajot Hills Classic (1.2)


    but I'm not criticizing Kiesenhofer, it was a brilliant hold up.
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  • Pross
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    RichN95. said:

    Pross said:



    They said in commentary that she had raced at the top level on the women's tour at one point (they may have just a season).


    She had half a season at Lotto Soudal in 2017
    Surprised the three older Dutch riders didn't know her then. It's not a big group of riders at that level.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    Pross said:

    6.30, I assumed it was a highlights programme starting. Boats still haven't learned and are virtually on top of the swimmers


    Why are they starting at 6.30? Does Godzilla wake up at 7?
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,593
    Probably hoping to get the bike leg out of the way before any cyclists see them and get offended.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,593
    Sticking a run section mid swim seems interesting.
  • RichN95.
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    Pross said:

    Sticking a run section mid swim seems interesting.


    It would have been good if they could either swim around the platform or take a short cut under it
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  • pblakeney
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    davidof said:

    jimmyjams said:


    From the Kiesenhofer results I've since seen, I think you are running her down quite a bit; she has won the Austrian TT title for about the last 5 years, and had other decent TT/RR results.

    Let's face it, even the riders in the women's peleton didn't know who she was.

    To be honest the women's race was shit, it was a pretty bad representation of female cycling. Remember that the Olympics is the place that women's cycling gets to all parts of the world, a place to show how cool female cycling is. It was such a mess.
    Really?
    Panned out fairly similar to the men the day before.
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  • top_bhoy
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    davidof said:

    It reflects really badly on women's road racing tbh.

    The Dutch with maximum team numbers and arguably the strongest team in the race publicly embarrassed themselves; the only aspect this road race reflects badly upon is Dutch cycling....

  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    pblakeney said:



    Really?
    Panned out fairly similar to the men the day before.


    No it didn't. This was like Juraj Sagan or Nic Dlamini winning
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  • m.r.m.
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    or ride a chariot pulled by dolphins.
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  • pblakeney
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    RichN95. said:

    pblakeney said:



    Really?
    Panned out fairly similar to the men the day before.


    No it didn't. This was like Juraj Sagan or Nic Dlamini winning
    Still the main protagonist's fault for letting the break go in both races.
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