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IMHO the riders having less information about what the race situation is than people watching on the telly at home doesn't make for great racing2
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In this interview she definitely thinks the Dutch team got the goldmididoctors said:
people saying Lizzie thought she had won too, but the interview on the line with a still sweaty and heavy breathing Lizzy seemed to suggest she knew. negative racing left the dutch to do everything what did they expectrick_chasey said:
That was what the post finish line camera were picking up - Dutch team telling their coach they were only given gaps to the 2nd group on the road.mididoctors said:i caught the last hour then went out
didn't realize they didn't know?
how could they not know. no one passed info at the piuts feeds or car?
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“I thought that Holland had everything in their hands but in the end sometimes when you play tactics too much and you think you are the strongest, you lose the race,” said bronze medalist Elisa Longo Borghini (Italy). “Basically when we caught the two ladies … I realized there was another one in front.”
This is so tasty. ELB's got the measure of the Dutch.Correlation is not causation.1 -
didn't hear it, but the sound is quite bad, plus they have strange accents :-)r0bh said:
In this interview she definitely thinks the Dutch team got the gold
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Actually I take it back, it's still not clear. She says "chapeau for them taking the win in the end" after talking about both the Dutch team and the break so it's not clear who "them" isdavidof said:
didn't hear it, but the sound is quite bad, plus they have strange accents :-)r0bh said:
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Not the most farcical race of the day though:rick_chasey said:It was a farcical race. It also ruined the spectacle.
Can’t blame the winner - she earned it.
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That's a remarkable interview, with the interviewer asking questions about one race and the interviewee responding about a completely different race.r0bh said:
In this interview she definitely thinks the Dutch team got the gold
When asked about rallying the bunch to "join in the chase" (meaning for the last 20km or so), and she responds with "come on, what are we doing, we just going to let her ride away", clearly about the last 1km.0 -
This was sadly very obvious. I felt really sorry for the winner as she was ignored by everyone but Cecilie. She looked like the new kid at school who somehow had got everyone else detention.No_Ta_Doctor said:Cecilie Uttrup was pretty scathing about the Dutch (and other big teams) tactics (ie nobody working) Said it was a censored race and not a good exposition of women's cycling.
She also seemed to be the only rider to congratulate the winner.
Chapeau Cecilie.0 -
Anna Kiesenhofer interview with Austrian radio channel ORF:
“It feels amazing. I could not believe it. Even when I crossed the finish line; I thought to myself: Is it really over? Do I have to continue?
I had planned the attack at Km Zero and was happy to be able to be in front. I couldn't assume that because I'm not good at riding in a group. I was glad that I wasn't too nervous, I just rode away.
In the breakaway group we worked more or less together - that was helpful. I noticed that I was the strongest in the group and knew I had the climb before the long descent. I'm pretty good at descents, then it was like a time trial to the finish.
It is still difficult to grasp. When in interviews it is repeated that you are an olympic champion, then it becomes a little more true. I think this is the heaviest medal I have ever had around my neck.
Everything went just right today. Luck always plays a big role in road racing. I had the courage to attack and in the end I was the strongest of the break.
The moment of surprise was definitely on my side, they wouldn't have given a better-known rider that much advantage. Only at the finish line did I realize what I had achieved. By then, I was at my limit"0 -
Anna van der Breggen about Kiesenhofer:
“I didn't know she was that capable. Actually I don't really know her at all. I think no one had her on a shortlist“
Marianne Vos about Kiesenhofer:
“We underestimated the strength of Kiesenhofer. Up to now I only knew of her name“
Lisa Brennauer (Germany) about the race:
“It was a small mistake on our part that we didn't have anyone in the early break. We then took on a lot of responsibility in the race. I think that was right, even if it wasn't actually our job. We really went out of our way to make the gap to the break come down. Unfortunately, for a long time, other nations didn't“
The German DS said that when the Dutch eventually started to pull their weight, about 60 km from the finish, the Germans eased off and didn't assist, speculating that if the reduced peloton only caught the two pursuers* on the home straight, then a bunch sprint would have allowed Brennauer a chance for a medal. However not only were the two pursuers caught 4 km out, but also Brennauer admitted that even had it come to a bunch sprint, she was by then a bit burnt out.
* It seems the Germans were aware that ahead of the two pursuers, there was another rider farther in front.0 -
Meanwhile, in other sports news the street skateboarding format's rubbish. 45 seconds of flailing around like my daughter mashing buttons in Tony Hawk's Pro. Also not one of them jumped over a helicopter or destroyed a school bell with a wall ride. Very disappointing.0
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In Lizzie's interview I think " them" could be interpreted as the breakaway but also the Dutch .... ELB clearly Knew thou so wtf!"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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Now there is loads of stories about VV sabotaging Vos and vice versa ... Drama"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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Well I hope it plays out on the roads next season."If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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Smith stall followed by Ollie 274 ...((yes a 4!))Lanterne_Rogue said:Meanwhile, in other sports news the street skateboarding format's rubbish. 45 seconds of flailing around like my daughter mashing buttons in Tony Hawk's Pro. Also not one of them jumped over a helicopter or destroyed a school bell with a wall ride. Very disappointing.
"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
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Anna van der Breggen about Kiesenhofer:
“I didn't know she was that capable. Actually I don't really know her at all. I think no one had her on a shortlist“
Marianne Vos about Kiesenhofer:
“We underestimated the strength of Kiesenhofer. Up to now I only knew of her name“.
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Well MV, you know who she is now. The one who went for gold from the off, and won.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
It is hard to find an analogue for men's racing. Maybe the French entering Peter Pouly for some mad reason and him getting 18 minutes on the bunch and winning. It would never happen in such a race... yes in the Tour occasionally the sprint teams misjudge a break and some relative unknown takes the stage.
I mean, it is completely ridiculous, unthinkable, a woman who has one noticeable prior result (1st on the Ventoux stage of the Ardeche) AFAIKS sneaking off with Olympic gold. There should really be an investigation to see what happened, was it the organization, the Dutch or just the women's pro peleton in general. It reflects really badly on women's road racing tbh.BASI Nordic Ski Instructor
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Not that ELB has always showed good racecraftabove_the_cows said:
This is so tasty. ELB's got the measure of the Dutch.
https://youtu.be/N0gP0d2437Y
although lanterne rouge is going to have to do a new video I think
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Why should it "reflect really badly" on women's road racing?
Peloton let the break go, not as far as yesterday's men's race; breakaway rider solos away, peloton don't catch her. Kudos.1 -
Yes, but if one is determined to confirm one's own prejudices...orraloon said:Why should it "reflect really badly" on women's road racing?
Peloton let the break go, not as far as yesterday's men's race; breakaway rider solos away, peloton don't catch her. Kudos.We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Nice to see a winners strategy straight from American Flyers“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!1
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Presumably since it makes them look incompetent?orraloon said:Why should it "reflect really badly" on women's road racing?
Peloton let the break go, not as far as yesterday's men's race; breakaway rider solos away, peloton don't catch her. Kudos.
Interesting reading the rider's quotes. Agree with Vaughters that chaos doesn't necessarily mean good racing - if there were no radios all year round this probably wouldn't have happened.
Cracking win from Kiesenhofer though, and she seems really grounded. Smart ride.1 -
It actually reminded me of last years Derby at Epsom - all the favourites let an unfancied outsider get a massive lead.....and expected him to come back, and were looking round at each other; too late.All Road/ Gravel: tbcWinter: tbcMTB: tbcRoad: tbc"Look at the time...." "he's fallen like an old lady on a cruise ship..."0
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Over reacting much?davidof said:It is hard to find an analogue for men's racing. Maybe the French entering Peter Pouly for some mad reason and him getting 18 minutes on the bunch and winning. It would never happen in such a race... yes in the Tour occasionally the sprint teams misjudge a break and some relative unknown takes the stage.
I mean, it is completely ridiculous, unthinkable, a woman who has one noticeable prior result (1st on the Ventoux stage of the Ardeche) AFAIKS sneaking off with Olympic gold. There should really be an investigation to see what happened, was it the organization, the Dutch or just the women's pro peleton in general. It reflects really badly on women's road racing tbh.
The Dutch, whether they like it or not, had the responsibility to control the race, because they are the dominant nation in women's racing. They made errors in their team selection by bringing four potential winners rather than a more balanced team, then made tactical errors by not ensuring they properly understood the race situation. The screw up rests solely with them.
Other teams seemed to know the situation but didn't have the numbers to do much about it.0 -
Is the 4 rider team limit just for these Olympics or will it be permanent? Going back to 2012 I think some nations had over 10 in a team.
It was commented earlier that all 4 of the dutchies thought they were potential winners and so none of them were willing to play the team game and sacrifice their own chances for the glory of one of the others. It also sounds like this was born out in not communicating the true situation amongst each other.0 -
On the men's side, the Belgians had 5 I think?!
I agree that one of the problems was the team consisting of 3 captains (4 if you count Vollering as well). Another problem in the same vein is the rider types being extremely similar AvV/AvdB & MV/DV. If Marianne Vos and Vollering want to maintain their own chances there is no point in them working at all (physiologically and tactically).PTP Champion 2019, 2022 & 20230 -
Yeah, sure I counted at least 5 Italians. Assumed it was some sort of seeding affair. Didn't they say Carapaz only had one teammate?0
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Team sizes at the Olympics (and Worlds) are determined by UCI ranking points, but the certainly the women had a max of 4. Maybe the men had a max of 5, but team GB only had 4 mens riders amd 2 women.
At 2012, teams were at least double the size.0
