TDF 2021: Stage 9, Cluses > Tignes 144.9 km **Spoilers**
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Tour site showing a minibus has arrived at over 31' with the likes of Rowe. ES however saying Cav finished just over 30' down which is odd.0
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They put time into 3 of their competition.tonyf34 said:
At the point where Ineos went to the front, what was the virtual position of Carapaz, they gained nothing from that point on their nearest rivals for the chance of a podium, okay, they gained on O'Connor, but are you saying that he is a threat to them for a podium position even if he is 3.5minutes ahead of Carapaz?Pross said:Lots of people still not understanding that the riders are racing for position on GC not just trying to win.
Pog pulled back over a minute once he attacked - crazy!
What did Ineos gain from their nearest rivals by them going to the front?
You said earlier they should have forced somebody else onto the front, but nobody else had any team mates.
What would have happened is that it would have stalled, then we would have had riders watching each other, following wheels, going nowhere.
Somebody might have just got lucky and managed to slip away and put time into Carapaz.
Just not following your logic here."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
TGH and Porte having their ride in the bus today coming in 31'37" down.0
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The Breakaway lied to me!above_the_cows said:Cav in, with about 40 seconds to spare.
Judged to perfection.
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Cav home safely under 36".
Group coming in at 37'-15""Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Showing now. 35' 49" down - I'm always amazed how close they judge it but guess they wind down a bit in the last km or so when they know they are safe.0
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Cav now showing at 35:490
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GVA last man inside the time cut in 165th.
FDJ down a sprinter I am afraid."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
If everyone is clear why Ineos were riding today, is it now clear why Movistar were riding on Friday?0
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Demare finished ages ago.
He just forgot to put his transponder on the team car."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
What's the difference between attacking for the minor places on GC after pog is left to chase on his own or clips off and putting your guys on the front before forcing him to do it or not ?"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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And Bryan Coquard OTL as well. I feel a revision a-comin'.0
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Not really, Pog didn't have a huge lead at that time so they could have put him under pressure and forced him to chase then maybe Mas could have attacked him too.TheBigBean said:If everyone is clear why Ineos were riding today, is it now clear why Movistar were riding on Friday?
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Hors délai: Coquard, De Bod, Vliegen, Demare, Guarnieri, Delaplace and Dlamini."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0
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It's nearly seven o'clock in France and apparently Diamini, who crashed, is still out on the course trying finish the day.
Edit: He made it
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What's the opposite of nominative determinism?blazing_saddles said:Hors délai: Vliegen
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So Cav is doing well despite all the gloom about Pogacar. Sprinters abandoning or getting eliminated so looking good for him. Ineos and JV not dominating and no power trains going up the climbs. Is this not what many of us wanted? Glass at least half full.0
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amrushton said:
So Cav is doing well despite all the gloom about Pogacar. Sprinters abandoning or getting eliminated so looking good for him. Ineos and JV not dominating and no power trains going up the climbs. Is this not what many of us wanted? Glass at least half full.
It's good for his prospect of stage wins, but I think it hurts his Green Jersey prospects. Less riders between him and Colbrelli/Matthews at finishes and no teams to help keep them out of breaks on mountain stages.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Is there gloom about Pogacar? The usual insinuations about anyone who dominates (which I can understand) and a bit of disappointment that it looks like the hoped for GC battle isn't going to happen and that the race is already settled on the first weekend barring further accidents but I suspect most people found his ride very entertaining. It's certainly a step up from chasing bonus seconds on the final climb in my opinion.amrushton said:So Cav is doing well despite all the gloom about Pogacar. Sprinters abandoning or getting eliminated so looking good for him. Ineos and JV not dominating and no power trains going up the climbs. Is this not what many of us wanted? Glass at least half full.
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Regardless of Ineos tactics today, can we take a moment to acknowledge the shift Geraint put in for Carapaz? He's had a rough tour, but he was there at the end doing the work for a teammate, like he has so many times before. Without the crash this tour could have looked very differentWarning No formatter is installed for the format3
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Especially compared to a SLovenian GC rival who also had his dreams shattered in a crash.No_Ta_Doctor said:Regardless of Ineos tactics today, can we take a moment to acknowledge the shift Geraint put in for Carapaz? He's had a rough tour, but he was there at the end doing the work for a teammate, like he has so many times before. Without the crash this tour could have looked very different
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I think that's kind of the point, as since the sport has tried to present itself as cleaner, the margins have been much smaller. For instance, Froome's ride on Ventoux raised eyebrows, yet that day he beat Quintana by 29 seconds and Contador by 1m40secs. Cancellara's demolition of the 2010 Ronde saw him beat Boonen by 1m15secs, Contador's climb on the Mortirolo in 2015 saw him gain around a minute on Landa to catch back up. These are the kind of time gaps we're now using as the benchmark for extraordinary performances, and then along comes Pogacar and puts 3 minutes into his rivals.Pross said:
Is there gloom about Pogacar? The usual insinuations about anyone who dominates (which I can understand) and a bit of disappointment that it looks like the hoped for GC battle isn't going to happen and that the race is already settled on the first weekend barring further accidents but I suspect most people found his ride very entertaining. It's certainly a step up from chasing bonus seconds on the final climb in my opinion.amrushton said:So Cav is doing well despite all the gloom about Pogacar. Sprinters abandoning or getting eliminated so looking good for him. Ineos and JV not dominating and no power trains going up the climbs. Is this not what many of us wanted? Glass at least half full.
By any reasonable measure, it's the kind of performance that people should have been talking about as one of the most dominant in the history of the sport, and yet the reaction is almost muted, as though people don't believe it but don't want to openly state it reeks so they're holding back instead.0 -
As I mentioned in yesterday’s thread, team player.No_Ta_Doctor said:Regardless of Ineos tactics today, can we take a moment to acknowledge the shift Geraint put in for Carapaz? He's had a rough tour, but he was there at the end doing the work for a teammate, like he has so many times before. Without the crash this tour could have looked very different
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
How much time did Froome take back on that celebrated Giro stage?phreak said:
I think that's kind of the point, as since the sport has tried to present itself as cleaner, the margins have been much smaller. For instance, Froome's ride on Ventoux raised eyebrows, yet that day he beat Quintana by 29 seconds and Contador by 1m40secs. Cancellara's demolition of the 2010 Ronde saw him beat Boonen by 1m15secs, Contador's climb on the Mortirolo in 2015 saw him gain around a minute on Landa to catch back up. These are the kind of time gaps we're now using as the benchmark for extraordinary performances, and then along comes Pogacar and puts 3 minutes into his rivals.Pross said:
Is there gloom about Pogacar? The usual insinuations about anyone who dominates (which I can understand) and a bit of disappointment that it looks like the hoped for GC battle isn't going to happen and that the race is already settled on the first weekend barring further accidents but I suspect most people found his ride very entertaining. It's certainly a step up from chasing bonus seconds on the final climb in my opinion.amrushton said:So Cav is doing well despite all the gloom about Pogacar. Sprinters abandoning or getting eliminated so looking good for him. Ineos and JV not dominating and no power trains going up the climbs. Is this not what many of us wanted? Glass at least half full.
By any reasonable measure, it's the kind of performance that people should have been talking about as one of the most dominant in the history of the sport, and yet the reaction is almost muted, as though people don't believe it but don't want to openly state it reeks so they're holding back instead.
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