TDF 2021: Stage 9, Cluses > Tignes 144.9 km **Spoilers**

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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,462
    Tour site showing a minibus has arrived at over 31' with the likes of Rowe. ES however saying Cav finished just over 30' down which is odd.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    edited July 2021
    tonyf34 said:

    Pross said:

    Lots of people still not understanding that the riders are racing for position on GC not just trying to win.

    Pog pulled back over a minute once he attacked - crazy!

    At the point where Ineos went to the front, what was the virtual position of Carapaz, they gained nothing from that point on their nearest rivals for the chance of a podium, okay, they gained on O'Connor, but are you saying that he is a threat to them for a podium position even if he is 3.5minutes ahead of Carapaz?

    What did Ineos gain from their nearest rivals by them going to the front?
    They put time into 3 of their competition.

    You said earlier they should have forced somebody else onto the front, but nobody else had any team mates.
    What would have happened is that it would have stalled, then we would have had riders watching each other, following wheels, going nowhere.

    Somebody might have just got lucky and managed to slip away and put time into Carapaz.

    Just not following your logic here.
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,462
    TGH and Porte having their ride in the bus today coming in 31'37" down.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    Cavendish made the time cut. He was behind the main grupetto
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  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    above_the_cows said:

    Cav in, with about 40 seconds to spare.

    Judged to perfection. B)

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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,462
    RichN95. said:

    Cavendish made the time cut. He was behind the main grupetto

    Still not showing on the official results which show down to Kluge at over 35 minutes down.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    Cav home safely under 36".
    Group coming in at 37'-15"
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    Campanaerts, Van Avermaet, Grondahl and Wallays made the time by 5 seconds
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,462
    Showing now. 35' 49" down - I'm always amazed how close they judge it but guess they wind down a bit in the last km or so when they know they are safe.
  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,554
    Cav now showing at 35:49
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    GVA last man inside the time cut in 165th.

    FDJ down a sprinter I am afraid.
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    Coquard and Demare amongst those missing the cut
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  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,227
    RichN95. said:

    Campanaerts, Van Avermaet, Grondahl and Wallays made the time by 5 seconds

    Pro riders! Know what they're doing 😊
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,887
    If everyone is clear why Ineos were riding today, is it now clear why Movistar were riding on Friday?
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    Demare finished ages ago.
    He just forgot to put his transponder on the team car.
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  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,908
    What's the difference between attacking for the minor places on GC after pog is left to chase on his own or clips off and putting your guys on the front before forcing him to do it or not ?
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  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,227
    And Bryan Coquard OTL as well. I feel a revision a-comin'.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,462
    TheBigBean said:

    If everyone is clear why Ineos were riding today, is it now clear why Movistar were riding on Friday?

    Not really, Pog didn't have a huge lead at that time so they could have put him under pressure and forced him to chase then maybe Mas could have attacked him too.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,431
    edited July 2021
    Cav making cut


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  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    edited July 2021
    Hors délai: Coquard, De Bod, Vliegen, Demare, Guarnieri, Delaplace and Dlamini.
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    edited July 2021
    It's nearly seven o'clock in France and apparently Diamini, who crashed, is still out on the course trying finish the day.

    Edit: He made it

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  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    blazing_saddles said:

    Hors délai: Vliegen

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  • amrushton
    amrushton Posts: 1,312
    So Cav is doing well despite all the gloom about Pogacar. Sprinters abandoning or getting eliminated so looking good for him. Ineos and JV not dominating and no power trains going up the climbs. Is this not what many of us wanted? Glass at least half full.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    amrushton said:

    So Cav is doing well despite all the gloom about Pogacar. Sprinters abandoning or getting eliminated so looking good for him. Ineos and JV not dominating and no power trains going up the climbs. Is this not what many of us wanted? Glass at least half full.


    It's good for his prospect of stage wins, but I think it hurts his Green Jersey prospects. Less riders between him and Colbrelli/Matthews at finishes and no teams to help keep them out of breaks on mountain stages.
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,462
    amrushton said:

    So Cav is doing well despite all the gloom about Pogacar. Sprinters abandoning or getting eliminated so looking good for him. Ineos and JV not dominating and no power trains going up the climbs. Is this not what many of us wanted? Glass at least half full.

    Is there gloom about Pogacar? The usual insinuations about anyone who dominates (which I can understand) and a bit of disappointment that it looks like the hoped for GC battle isn't going to happen and that the race is already settled on the first weekend barring further accidents but I suspect most people found his ride very entertaining. It's certainly a step up from chasing bonus seconds on the final climb in my opinion.
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,649
    Regardless of Ineos tactics today, can we take a moment to acknowledge the shift Geraint put in for Carapaz? He's had a rough tour, but he was there at the end doing the work for a teammate, like he has so many times before. Without the crash this tour could have looked very different
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  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,554
    No_Ta_Doctor said:

    Regardless of Ineos tactics today, can we take a moment to acknowledge the shift Geraint put in for Carapaz? He's had a rough tour, but he was there at the end doing the work for a teammate, like he has so many times before. Without the crash this tour could have looked very different

    Especially compared to a SLovenian GC rival who also had his dreams shattered in a crash.
  • phreak
    phreak Posts: 2,953
    Pross said:

    amrushton said:

    So Cav is doing well despite all the gloom about Pogacar. Sprinters abandoning or getting eliminated so looking good for him. Ineos and JV not dominating and no power trains going up the climbs. Is this not what many of us wanted? Glass at least half full.

    Is there gloom about Pogacar? The usual insinuations about anyone who dominates (which I can understand) and a bit of disappointment that it looks like the hoped for GC battle isn't going to happen and that the race is already settled on the first weekend barring further accidents but I suspect most people found his ride very entertaining. It's certainly a step up from chasing bonus seconds on the final climb in my opinion.
    I think that's kind of the point, as since the sport has tried to present itself as cleaner, the margins have been much smaller. For instance, Froome's ride on Ventoux raised eyebrows, yet that day he beat Quintana by 29 seconds and Contador by 1m40secs. Cancellara's demolition of the 2010 Ronde saw him beat Boonen by 1m15secs, Contador's climb on the Mortirolo in 2015 saw him gain around a minute on Landa to catch back up. These are the kind of time gaps we're now using as the benchmark for extraordinary performances, and then along comes Pogacar and puts 3 minutes into his rivals.

    By any reasonable measure, it's the kind of performance that people should have been talking about as one of the most dominant in the history of the sport, and yet the reaction is almost muted, as though people don't believe it but don't want to openly state it reeks so they're holding back instead.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,307
    No_Ta_Doctor said:

    Regardless of Ineos tactics today, can we take a moment to acknowledge the shift Geraint put in for Carapaz? He's had a rough tour, but he was there at the end doing the work for a teammate, like he has so many times before. Without the crash this tour could have looked very different

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  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,431
    phreak said:

    Pross said:

    amrushton said:

    So Cav is doing well despite all the gloom about Pogacar. Sprinters abandoning or getting eliminated so looking good for him. Ineos and JV not dominating and no power trains going up the climbs. Is this not what many of us wanted? Glass at least half full.

    Is there gloom about Pogacar? The usual insinuations about anyone who dominates (which I can understand) and a bit of disappointment that it looks like the hoped for GC battle isn't going to happen and that the race is already settled on the first weekend barring further accidents but I suspect most people found his ride very entertaining. It's certainly a step up from chasing bonus seconds on the final climb in my opinion.
    I think that's kind of the point, as since the sport has tried to present itself as cleaner, the margins have been much smaller. For instance, Froome's ride on Ventoux raised eyebrows, yet that day he beat Quintana by 29 seconds and Contador by 1m40secs. Cancellara's demolition of the 2010 Ronde saw him beat Boonen by 1m15secs, Contador's climb on the Mortirolo in 2015 saw him gain around a minute on Landa to catch back up. These are the kind of time gaps we're now using as the benchmark for extraordinary performances, and then along comes Pogacar and puts 3 minutes into his rivals.

    By any reasonable measure, it's the kind of performance that people should have been talking about as one of the most dominant in the history of the sport, and yet the reaction is almost muted, as though people don't believe it but don't want to openly state it reeks so they're holding back instead.
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