Euro 2020/21 (more football, sorry Brian)
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An achievement would have been to have had more than 2 shots on target and to make the opposition keeper make a meaningful save in the game. Yes England were good for 1/2 an hour and yes they defended well but surely you try to win it rather to try not to lose it.0
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I think it's great we got to the final. That should really be enough for everyone, but for some reason the English have this maudlin need to p*** on anything we are actually reasonably good at. I cannot for the life of me understand the need to endlessly dissect what was a tiny part of one game or try to fraudulently create some grand narrative about England being bad at penalties when most players will only ever see one or two of these in their international careers. We didn't score as many as Italy that's all it is. There is no pattern or hidden information to uncover. The whole team could spend the next year only practicing penalties and all it would do is make them less good at the other 99% of the game.surrey_commuter said:
Since penalty shoot outs were introduced this is our record when we have reached the knockout stage
WC - lost 3 of 8 on penalties
Euros - lost 4 of 5 on penalties
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34 unbeaten means better.kingstongraham said:Equal best at football, and best at penalty kicks, yes.
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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who are actually very good and, as has been wildly agreed on this thread, better than England who lost on Sunday to Italy.kingstongraham said:(I guess also equal with Spain)
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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but that was not the point of the post.MattFalle said:
You typed it above
i knowEnglish is my third language but hey, am I missing something?
You're just being deliberately obtuse.
The point i was making was that the outcry wouldn't be half as bad if Italy had won in extra time or even normal time.0 -
That's not a logical truth.MattFalle said:0 -
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its not an achievement in any facet of life to go anywhere and lose, fail, whatever you want to call it.
the hubris of mediocrity.
that's called failure, you know, what England did on Sunday.
an achievement is winning, coming out best, that sort of thing, you know, what Italy did on Sunday.
The fact that from your posts you are obviously not a football fan does limit the effect of your trolling on this.
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Careful, you almost sounded slightly positive there.tetley10 said:An achievement would have been to have had more than 2 shots on target and to make the opposition keeper make a meaningful save in the game. Yes England were good for 1/2 an hour and yes they defended well but surely you try to win it rather to try not to lose it.
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thing us, I am a football fan and none of this debate is trolling - its called debate.DeVlaeminck said:
The fact that from your posts you are obviously not a football fan does limit the effect of your trolling on this.
Why would you say I'm not a football fan? because I'm not singing the praises of a massively continually underperforming national team?
Having introduced the "t" word next thing you'll do us invoke Godwin's invariably..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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rjsterry said:
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Easy fella - I'm not obtuse. 6'2, 85kg, 32" inch waist, barely any fat at all on me.elbowloh said:
You're just being deliberately obtuse.
The point i was making was that the outcry wouldn't be half as bad if Italy had won in extra time or even normal time.
I think you'll find I'm quite the opposite of obtuse if you don't mind..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Yes. What of it? We got to the final. We didn't play as well as the team that won (obviously) but not by so much that they could win in 90 or 120 minutes. That sounds pretty good to me. Better than all the other teams bar one. Daughters enjoyed staying up to watch it despite not winning. Your two did, too, I believe. They seem to be in a minority which is sad.MattFalle said:
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Well looky here.
World Cup penalty shoot out stats.
Most lost
3 - England (1990, 1998, 2006)
3 - Italy (1990, 1994β , 1998)
3 - Spain (1986, 2002, 2018)1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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I feel like you are not a sports fan which is, of course, fine.rjsterry said:0 -
but italy won the important one on Sundayrjsterry said:Well looky here.
World Cup penalty shoot out stats.
Most lost
3 - England (1990, 1998, 2006)
3 - Italy (1990, 1994β , 1998)
3 - Spain (1986, 2002, 2018)
plus they have 4 gold stars and two whatever colour they give the Euro winners.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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π Whatever gave you that idea? No not a fan. Based on the posts above that seems to make it a more enjoyable form of entertainment.TheBigBean said:1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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what does the cross next to 1994 denote by the way?.
The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Italy lost in the final in 1994 (if my memory serves me correctly) or you are noting that England were absent.0
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your stats take no account of qualifying for a tournament or reaching the knockout phase. Spain are as bad as us but how many shootouts have Italy won?rjsterry said:Well looky here.
World Cup penalty shoot out stats.
Most lost
3 - England (1990, 1998, 2006)
3 - Italy (1990, 1994β , 1998)
3 - Spain (1986, 2002, 2018)
We are shite at penalties and need to get better, that seems a much more achievable goal than getting better at football overall.
Maybe chose the 3rd choice keeper purely on his ability to save penalties and bring him on right at the end. If nothing else it would mess with the opposition.0 -
Only with a loss. I imagine if England had won, other people would have enjoyed it more than you.rjsterry said:
I can't get too excited by international football despite being a sports fan, so I can see both sides of the discussion.0 -
Louis van Gaal did that as a demonstration of his incredible tactical skills. He failed to notice that the other keeper on the bench actually had a better penalty record though.surrey_commuter said:
Maybe chose the 3rd choice keeper purely on his ability to save penalties and bring him on right at the end. If nothing else it would mess with the opposition.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_FIFA_World_Cup_penalty_shoot-outs
β = shoot-out in the World Cup final.
I tend to agree that it's not a great way to end any match, let alone a tournament. Imagine the Eng and Aus settling the Ashes over first to hit a 6, or the Tour decided on a 1km sprint. I guess they could just accept a draw.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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grazie!rjsterry said:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_FIFA_World_Cup_penalty_shoot-outs
β = shoot-out in the World Cup final.
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Well sure. I get the disappointment at losing on not much more than a coin toss (notwithstanding disagreement on the skill:chance ratio in a shoot out) but that and the post mortem seem completely disproportionate to what is objectively one of their better results.TheBigBean said:
I can't get too excited by international football despite being a sports fan, so I can see both sides of the discussion.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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I don't get why people keeping talking about Shakespeare, but if Cake Stop had a thread for it, I would happily let them get on with it there.rjsterry said:0 -
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_FIFA_World_Cup_penalty_shoot-outs
β = shoot-out in the World Cup final.
I tend to agree that it's not a great way to end any match, let alone a tournament. Imagine the Eng and Aus settling the Ashes over first to hit a 6, or the Tour decided on a 1km sprint. I guess they could just accept a draw.
Of course, The World Cup cricket final was decided with a 'Super Over'.
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The chatting about it I get. I've been posting about it all day. I just don't get why it's so overwhelmingly negative.TheBigBean said:1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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