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rick_chasey said:
Felt less tough than other editions - pros seem to say the same.mididoctors said:
Round the houses is fine for me good racepinno said:So what's the consensus on the Amstel Gold Kermesse now that they mucked around with it? Or was it mucked around with because of Covid mitigation?
Although it was an exciting finish, I wasn't keen on it.
Kept it tight thou as a spectacle ...the strong guys had to.show a longer way out to make the difference as they can get swamped in the finalrick_chasey said:
Felt less tough than other editions - pros seem to say the same.mididoctors said:
Round the houses is fine for me good racepinno said:So what's the consensus on the Amstel Gold Kermesse now that they mucked around with it? Or was it mucked around with because of Covid mitigation?
Although it was an exciting finish, I wasn't keen on it."If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
Is this now "officially" photofinishgate?"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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Wout did great and did exactly what he needed to do, jumped late and Pidcock didn’t have enough time to get around.ddraver said:I think you do Wout's craftiness a disservice there...
Doesn’t change the fact that Pidcock had a faster sprint, and the high likelihood he had the best legs on the day. He dragged them clear easily.
Probably some irony that WvA has actually won a race in which he wasn’t the strongest, rather than losing several where he clearly was.0 -
norvernrob said:ddraver said:
Probably some irony that WvA has actually won a race in which he wasn’t the strongest, rather than losing several where he clearly was.
Way it goes often times . He definitely looked more respectful of pidcock's legs this time round"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
Although as pointed out, the line drawn on that tweet isn’t straight (have they allowed for camber and that’s why it’s like it is?). You need to skew the angle quite a bit to the left to get it to line up with the yellow hoarding and not the red.kingstongraham said:You can't argue whether the photo finish picture has yellow, green and grey rather than red, though?
It would be interesting to see an overhead photo of the line and hoardings.0 -
They have to decide somehow ... The pix calls it . If this photo angle theory has merit the reverse result would have occured if pidcock was sprinting on the left shoulder of WvA ..
Neither really knew on the line ...pidcock didn't seem confident and accepted the result ... Race over"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
Completely - they've weighed in and the result is what it is.mididoctors said:They have to decide somehow ... The pix calls it . If this photo angle theory has merit the reverse result would have occured if pidcock was sprinting on the left shoulder of WvA ..
Neither really knew on the line ...pidcock didn't seem confident and accepted the result ... Race over
But if the line on the road is the finish, and the photo is a few cm earlier, then that's a bit shambolic. You only need it when it's close.0 -
Well eyebrows raised if it happens again . How easy is it to set up? Might be tricky in ways we don't know . Maybe set up the cameras then draw the line ? Just throwing that out there"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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Not according the the UCI commissioner who set it up:RichN95. said:Given that according to the regulations "the verdict of the photo finish shall be final", the finish is in reality where the camera is pointed. The line of the road is a guideline.
“The finish line consists of a white line of 32 centimeters wide, followed by a black line of four centimeters and then another white line of 32 centimeters. The finish line is the perpendicular to the end of the first 32 centimeter white line. That line is drawn straight down from the front of the wheel that crosses the finish line.”
Not quoted the whole article, but he seems confident that it was set up accurately (he should be seeing as he did it) and actually thought Pidcock had won at first.0 -
Pidcock down for Fleche but not Liege. Reckon they should re-think that. Skip Wednesday's hill climb champs and have a chance of a monument on Sunday.0
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He's a favourite for Fleche, surely?yorkshireraw said:Pidcock down for Fleche but not Liege. Reckon they should re-think that. Skip Wednesday's hill climb champs and have a chance of a monument on Sunday.
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Ineos haven't announced their team for either Fleche or Liege yet.0
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norvernrob said:
Not according the the UCI commissioner who set it up:RichN95. said:Given that according to the regulations "the verdict of the photo finish shall be final", the finish is in reality where the camera is pointed. The line of the road is a guideline.
“The finish line consists of a white line of 32 centimeters wide, followed by a black line of four centimeters and then another white line of 32 centimeters. The finish line is the perpendicular to the end of the first 32 centimeter white line. That line is drawn straight down from the front of the wheel that crosses the finish line.”
Not quoted the whole article, but he seems confident that it was set up accurately (he should be seeing as he did it) and actually thought Pidcock had won at first.
But according to the rules the final arbiter of who won is the photo finish, so effectively the finish line is determined by the camera position even if it's slightly offTwitter: @RichN950 -
Yes, the finish line is the start of the black line, and who crossed that line first is judged by the photo finish camera pointing somewhere else.RichN95. said:norvernrob said:
Not according the the UCI commissioner who set it up:RichN95. said:Given that according to the regulations "the verdict of the photo finish shall be final", the finish is in reality where the camera is pointed. The line of the road is a guideline.
“The finish line consists of a white line of 32 centimeters wide, followed by a black line of four centimeters and then another white line of 32 centimeters. The finish line is the perpendicular to the end of the first 32 centimeter white line. That line is drawn straight down from the front of the wheel that crosses the finish line.”
Not quoted the whole article, but he seems confident that it was set up accurately (he should be seeing as he did it) and actually thought Pidcock had won at first.
But according to the rules the final arbiter of who won is the photo finish, so effectively the finish line is determined by the camera position even if it's slightly off0 -
Confirms Pidcock as a fast finisher anyway given how fast we know Van Aert is. I knew Pidcock was good before this year but not that he was this good. With his mixture of cross skills, decent sprint and light weight is there a monument he isn't a contender for? Would Lombardy be too much of a climbers race maybe?[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0
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DeVlaeminck said:
Confirms Pidcock as a fast finisher anyway given how fast we know Van Aert is. I knew Pidcock was good before this year but not that he was this good. With his mixture of cross skills, decent sprint and light weight is there a monument he isn't a contender for? Would Lombardy be too much of a climbers race maybe?
He dominated the Baby Giro winning two mountain stages, so I think he can climb OKTwitter: @RichN951 -
Who knows what he is capable of in the future but given his current physical size, surely Flanders and Roubaix is out of reach.DeVlaeminck said:Confirms Pidcock as a fast finisher anyway given how fast we know Van Aert is. I knew Pidcock was good before this year but not that he was this good. With his mixture of cross skills, decent sprint and light weight is there a monument he isn't a contender for? Would Lombardy be too much of a climbers race maybe?
Given his talent, will Ineos hone him as a Tour rider? If so, that may preclude him from a long term classics contender.
Ineos/Sky have had a poor classics history. Do they build half a squad around a classics rider given Pidcocks potential?seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
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Given his talent, will Ineos hone him as a Tour rider? If so, that may preclude him from a long term classics contender.
Ineos/Sky have had a poor classics history. Do they build half a squad around a classics rider given Pidcocks potential?
He's said himself that long term he sees himself as primarily a GT rider but he's in no hurry to specialise.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Confirms pidcock as fast every thing imo. It's a bit scary all these youngsters exploding on the scene . I wonder if they will.all peak really early ... Burnout seems to happen early too . A lot of riders retiring young .DeVlaeminck said:Confirms Pidcock as a fast finisher anyway given how fast we know Van Aert is. I knew Pidcock was good before this year but not that he was this good. With his mixture of cross skills, decent sprint and light weight is there a monument he isn't a contender for? Would Lombardy be too much of a climbers race maybe?
"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
Valverde looked super strong and comfortable, but I'm probably going with someone else. Valverde would be my number 2 pick though. This could be his last "big" win.rick_chasey said:So, who's gonna win up the Muur on Wednesday then?
Not as obvious to call as previous years.
Noted Valverde was still there in 5th on Sunday...PTP Champion 2019, 2022 & 20230 -
The thing I can't get used to is Pidcock being able to sprint with WVA (who can hold is own in Your bunch sprints) whilst WVA can be last man in an Alpine mountain train. It's getting hard to pigeonhole riders by their physique.1
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kingstongraham said:
Completely - they've weighed in and the result is what it is.mididoctors said:They have to decide somehow ... The pix calls it . If this photo angle theory has merit the reverse result would have occured if pidcock was sprinting on the left shoulder of WvA ..
Neither really knew on the line ...pidcock didn't seem confident and accepted the result ... Race over
But if the line on the road is the finish, and the photo is a few cm earlier, then that's a bit shambolic. You only need it when it's close.
So there are two 'finish' lines; the one everyone can see on the road, and the one that is used for any photo finish. Could it get anymore pro cycling?
Saying that, there are 2 winning posts at Sandown Park; one for the hurdle course, and one for the chase course - and in the last year they used the wrong one, and called the wrong winner.All Road/ Gravel: tbcWinter: tbcMTB: tbcRoad: tbc"Look at the time...." "he's fallen like an old lady on a cruise ship..."0 -
My heart always sinks when I see thatRichN95. said:pinno said:<
Given his talent, will Ineos hone him as a Tour rider? If so, that may preclude him from a long term classics contender.
Ineos/Sky have had a poor classics history. Do they build half a squad around a classics rider given Pidcocks potential?
He's said himself that long term he sees himself as primarily a GT rider but he's in no hurry to specialise.0 -
Needs to start young if he wants to win 5+0
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I just hope Pidcock doesn't stop gunning for classics if he has/develops GT ambitions. That type of rider is few and far between such is the pressure and demands of the major tours.Pross said:The thing I can't get used to is Pidcock being able to sprint with WVA (who can hold is own in Your bunch sprints) whilst WVA can be last man in an Alpine mountain train. It's getting hard to pigeonhole riders by their physique.
So as you say rightly, pigeonholing a rider by their physique might be more difficult but riders can still be classed as either a classics rider or a tour rider (in terms of winning them).seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
No doubt, but Liege is a bigger prize, no?rick_chasey said:
He's a favourite for Fleche, surely?yorkshireraw said:Pidcock down for Fleche but not Liege. Reckon they should re-think that. Skip Wednesday's hill climb champs and have a chance of a monument on Sunday.
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Doesn't feel like it's an either or.yorkshireraw said:
No doubt, but Liege is a bigger prize, no?rick_chasey said:
He's a favourite for Fleche, surely?yorkshireraw said:Pidcock down for Fleche but not Liege. Reckon they should re-think that. Skip Wednesday's hill climb champs and have a chance of a monument on Sunday.
If you have the form, you should make the most of it.
I know he's young but you don't necessarily get that top form back.
Wednesday training ahead of a Sunday classic is usually pretty full on anyway, so it's not that harmful.0 -
One thing that might be a little bit different about Pidcock from Ineos' point of view is that (from a very low base) there seems to have been a little bit more reporting on cyclocross in the UK media since he's been threatening to do things. Ditto for the classics. They might consider that there's some decent publicity to be had from him concentrating on those for now.
Sure, they'll probably want him to move towards stage races, but they've got that covered right now with their other riders.0
