2022 Transfers: Rumours & Facts

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  • gsk82
    gsk82 Posts: 3,601
    Pross said:

    r0bh said:

    18 year old Michael Leonard turning pro with Ineos next year

    I'd never heard of him so looked him up. Looking purely at the results on PCS for the last 2 seasons I'm struggling to see what he has done to entice a WT contract. They've obviously seen some potential in him but PCS only has 2 results for this season.

    It feels like they have a very young squad there now and have lost quite a lot of experience this year.
    It'll be interesting to see how their accounts change in the next few years. If they're spending anywhere near what they were in 2018 they're being ripped off.
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,341
    gsk82 said:

    Pross said:

    r0bh said:

    18 year old Michael Leonard turning pro with Ineos next year

    I'd never heard of him so looked him up. Looking purely at the results on PCS for the last 2 seasons I'm struggling to see what he has done to entice a WT contract. They've obviously seen some potential in him but PCS only has 2 results for this season.

    It feels like they have a very young squad there now and have lost quite a lot of experience this year.
    It'll be interesting to see how their accounts change in the next few years. If they're spending anywhere near what they were in 2018 they're being ripped off.
    Equipment and buses don't come cheap and are all getting more & more expensive.
    Just one thing to consider.
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  • r0bh
    r0bh Posts: 2,438
    pblakeney said:

    gsk82 said:

    Pross said:

    r0bh said:

    18 year old Michael Leonard turning pro with Ineos next year

    I'd never heard of him so looked him up. Looking purely at the results on PCS for the last 2 seasons I'm struggling to see what he has done to entice a WT contract. They've obviously seen some potential in him but PCS only has 2 results for this season.

    It feels like they have a very young squad there now and have lost quite a lot of experience this year.
    It'll be interesting to see how their accounts change in the next few years. If they're spending anywhere near what they were in 2018 they're being ripped off.
    Equipment and buses don't come cheap and are all getting more & more expensive.
    Just one thing to consider.
    And diesel to go in the buses!
  • dabber
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    Have a I missed it? Any news on where Cav is going?
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  • dannbodge
    dannbodge Posts: 1,152
    amrushton said:

    WvA has extended to 2026 on revised terms - I'll bet he has! like a one man team.

    Getting him signed on quick before he wins the WCs and wants more money
  • m.r.m.
    m.r.m. Posts: 3,475
    Pross said:

    r0bh said:

    18 year old Michael Leonard turning pro with Ineos next year

    I'd never heard of him so looked him up. Looking purely at the results on PCS for the last 2 seasons I'm struggling to see what he has done to entice a WT contract. They've obviously seen some potential in him but PCS only has 2 results for this season.
    He probably has W/kg like crazy and the lack of results may be down to crashing perennially. Ineos material right there. 😉😜
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  • carbonclem
    carbonclem Posts: 1,784
    dabber said:

    Have a I missed it? Any news on where Cav is going?

    B and B hotels is the expectation.
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  • roscoe
    roscoe Posts: 526
    dabber said:

    Have a I missed it? Any news on where Cav is going?

    Currently in Mallorca with Lance, Jan, George and Brad!
  • carbonclem
    carbonclem Posts: 1,784
    Daniel Benson suggesting Brailsford has made a direct contact with Lefevre to try and 'buy' Remco. Ratcliffe wants TDF success back apparently.
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  • m.r.m.
    m.r.m. Posts: 3,475
    There is no way Lefevre will sell Remco. He just extended the contract lst year did he not? Why sell the golden child?
    QS doesn't have any blue chip riders outside of him and Alaphilippe (and maybe Asgreen, but that is a bit of a stretch). Usually the focus would be the classics, but they are no longer really strong there and that may not just be by chance. It may very well be that they made a conscious effort to become more of a GT team to benefit from having Remco. Makes no sense to then sell him.
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  • gsk82
    gsk82 Posts: 3,601
    That would be quite the shift from Ineos following their transfer activity the last couple of years. Although it would be in line with their backing the wrong horse circa 2017.
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  • hanshotfirst
    hanshotfirst Posts: 400
    Reckon Remco to Ineos is pure clickbait nonsense to be honest. I'd be very surprised if anything came of it.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,698
    The only reason for it I can see is that QS doesn't want to be a tour focused GT team.

    Basically, keep Remco until his value is at maximum and then take a huuuge chunk of change to end the contract.

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  • rick_chasey
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  • daniel_b
    daniel_b Posts: 11,983
    edited September 2022
    I'm guessing his value is pretty high currently, GT winner, and rainbow stripes, combined with 'locked' into a long contract.

    Maybe it would even suit all parties if he were to shift to Ineos.

    He'd get a whacking massive salary, he'd have a solid team to support him in the grand tours, or whatever he wants to take on, and QS would get a massive payment to buy him out of the contract.

    Ineos end up with a new, and young No1 rider to focus on for the Tour.

    I imagine for Brailsford especially, and Ellingworth too, it must gnaw away at them not having a viable contender for le tour currently - well unless Bernal returns to previous levels, but that's a big if and a total unknown.
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  • carbonclem
    carbonclem Posts: 1,784
    daniel_b said:

    unless Bernal returns to previous levels, but that's a big if and a total unknown.

    I wonder if this means they know that's unlikely. I guess they knew similar when they let Froome go.
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  • daniel_b
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    carbonclem said:

    daniel_b said:

    unless Bernal returns to previous levels, but that's a big if and a total unknown.

    I wonder if this means they know that's unlikely. I guess they knew similar when they let Froome go.
    Could be, and or they are just hedging their bets - they must have saved a fair amount of money with the riders they have let go, Van Baarle, Yates, Carapaz, plus Thomas must have taken a decent paycut, and is near the end of his contract, so I'm guessing the available 'budget' must be reasonably high in comparison to previous years.
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  • phreak
    phreak Posts: 2,953
    Does QS have the budget to keep both Alaphalippe and Remco (as well as Asgreen et al)? I thought their budget was one of the smaller ones, which is one reason why they focus on classics rather than GTs.
  • dannbodge
    dannbodge Posts: 1,152
    Would a Belgian team really let go of a young Belgian rider who is currently winning pretty much everything he enters?
  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,553
    edited September 2022
    m.r.m. said:

    There is no way Lefevre will sell Remco. He just extended the contract lst year did he not? Why sell the golden child?
    QS doesn't have any blue chip riders outside of him and Alaphilippe (and maybe Asgreen, but that is a bit of a stretch). Usually the focus would be the classics, but they are no longer really strong there and that may not just be by chance. It may very well be that they made a conscious effort to become more of a GT team to benefit from having Remco. Makes no sense to then sell him.

    Surely Jakobsen counts as blue chip?

    It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if Evenepoel agitated for a move to Ineos. QS are a classics and sprint team, with a smattering of third-tier climbers brought in to give Alaphillipe a bit of help in the hillier races. To build a team to give Evenepoel the support he'll need would a) cost more budget than Leferve probably has and b) go against his DNA.

    Evenepoel will look at Ineos' line-up and conclude it has everything he needs to win more GTs.
  • m.r.m.
    m.r.m. Posts: 3,475
    Yes, you're right. I forgot about Jakobsen.
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  • mrb123
    mrb123 Posts: 4,819
    An Ineos supported Remco vs the might of Jumbo Visma vs Pog in his prime would be a mouthwatering prospect.
  • phreak
    phreak Posts: 2,953
    mrb123 said:

    An Ineos supported Remco vs the might of Jumbo Visma vs Pog in his prime would be a mouthwatering prospect.

    It would allow them to "ease" Bernal back in via the Giro/Vuelta as well, while taking the pressure off of Arensman (much as Roglic did with Vingegaard in 2021)
  • daniel_b
    daniel_b Posts: 11,983
    I suspect the only way it could ever happen is if RV and his manager/Dad drove it themselves, and perhaps if Pat knew RV would stay, but would not be 'that' happy to stay, combined with a large cash windfall, maybe it could happen somehow.

    As mentioned, it would certainly stir up things massively.
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  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,553
    A match made in heaven! It's like they miss Marc Soler so much they decide to go for the low-cost Portuguese version:



  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,553
    Quintana leaving Arkea-Samsic, destination unknown (but probably Movistar).

  • me-109
    me-109 Posts: 1,915
    Could be enforced retirement, could be Israel Retirement Nation.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    edited October 2022
    me-109 said:

    Could be enforced retirement, could be Israel Retirement Nation.


    At Israel he could follow Froome's wheel everywhere again

    Seriously though, he's younger than Roglic. He's still got plenty to give and would be a good pick up for a lower team.
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  • shirley_basso
    shirley_basso Posts: 6,195
    Rumour today is PFP is going to Ineos. Seemingly confirmed by a few people as well.
  • hanshotfirst
    hanshotfirst Posts: 400
    edited October 2022
    Saw a rumour on Twitter this morning Nairo is off to AG2R.

    No idea how much weight there is in it. I'm the guy who bought Cav to EF hook, like and sinker a couple of months ago so make of that what you will.

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