2022 Transfers: Rumours & Facts

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  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,553
    Pross said:

    andyp said:

    Viviani is in demand - EOLO-Kometa, DQS and Astana are all rumoured to be signing him.

    Why is he so popular? He hasn't been on great form, really can't understand DQS having an interest in him.
    Because he wins races. He's not the most prolific sprinter, but he'll get you at least five wins a season.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    andyp said:

    Pross said:

    andyp said:

    Viviani is in demand - EOLO-Kometa, DQS and Astana are all rumoured to be signing him.

    Why is he so popular? He hasn't been on great form, really can't understand DQS having an interest in him.
    Because he wins races. He's not the most prolific sprinter, but he'll get you at least five wins a season.
    He's got 5 plus a points jersey this season but they aren't exactly top level. Considering how much DQS win and the sprinters they have / will have I'm still surprised. With Astana it is possibly more of a sign of where the are in the pecking order these days
  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,553
    Pross said:

    andyp said:

    Pross said:

    andyp said:

    Viviani is in demand - EOLO-Kometa, DQS and Astana are all rumoured to be signing him.

    Why is he so popular? He hasn't been on great form, really can't understand DQS having an interest in him.
    Because he wins races. He's not the most prolific sprinter, but he'll get you at least five wins a season.
    He's got 5 plus a points jersey this season but they aren't exactly top level. Considering how much DQS win and the sprinters they have / will have I'm still surprised. With Astana it is possibly more of a sign of where the are in the pecking order these days
    Leferve wants Viviani as his third sprinter, with Jakobsen and Cavendish as his first and second ones, rather than as his main man. With Bennett and Hodeg leaving, he wants that third option. Given how in demand he is, I can see Viviani proving to be too expensive for Leferve's budget.
  • Mad_Malx
    Mad_Malx Posts: 5,183
    Does Cav have a contract?
  • JimD666
    JimD666 Posts: 2,293
    Mad_Malx said:

    Does Cav have a contract?

    Still negotiating last I saw. Leferve saying that Cav shouldn't expect too much, IIRC.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    JimD666 said:

    Mad_Malx said:

    Does Cav have a contract?

    Still negotiating last I saw. Leferve saying that Cav shouldn't expect too much, IIRC.
    It would be odd to say he should be expecting loads in the middle of negotiation.
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,655
    rick_chasey said:

    JimD666 said:

    Mad_Malx said:

    Does Cav have a contract?

    Still negotiating last I saw. Leferve saying that Cav shouldn't expect too much, IIRC.
    It would be odd to say he should be expecting loads in the middle of negotiation.
    To be fair, it's odd to make the negotiation position public, but that's fair standard for Lefevre
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  • gsk82
    gsk82 Posts: 3,601
    JimD666 said:

    Mad_Malx said:

    Does Cav have a contract?

    Still negotiating last I saw. Leferve saying that Cav shouldn't expect too much, IIRC.
    If he isn't riding the tour he shouldn't expect much.
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  • ddraver
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  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,572
    Really don't get the Dennis move. He seemed really happy and settled at Ineos, which after his woes and troubles of the previous couple of seasons makes it feel like he is risking that all.
  • daniel_b
    daniel_b Posts: 11,984
    Agreed, I knew it was happening, but still a real shame.

    Be interested to know if Ineos didn't want to renew, or if Dennis wanted to leave/was made a better offer.
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  • bobmcstuff
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    Dorset_Boy said:

    Really don't get the Dennis move. He seemed really happy and settled at Ineos, which after his woes and troubles of the previous couple of seasons makes it feel like he is risking that all.

    Won't he also be moving to a very similar role at JV?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Dorset_Boy said:

    Really don't get the Dennis move. He seemed really happy and settled at Ineos, which after his woes and troubles of the previous couple of seasons makes it feel like he is risking that all.

    He's 31 and was on apparently an ineos friendly contract (ie. not lots). Doesn't have many more years earning a top cyclist salary so why not move for a pay rise?
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  • Dorset_Boy
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    rick_chasey said:

    Dorset_Boy said:

    Really don't get the Dennis move. He seemed really happy and settled at Ineos, which after his woes and troubles of the previous couple of seasons makes it feel like he is risking that all.

    He's 31 and was on apparently an ineos friendly contract (ie. not lots). Doesn't have many more years earning a top cyclist salary so why not move for a pay rise?
    Given the way he walked out on Bahrain, issues with other teams, and the well documented mental issues that he was going through, surely being on a team where he is happy is far more sensible than risking a change, unless Ineos were only offering him peanuts, which given his performances is highly unlikely.
  • gsk82
    gsk82 Posts: 3,601
    They may have wanted rid. He only seemed interested in riding for Australia this year
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  • daniel_b
    daniel_b Posts: 11,984
    edited September 2021
    rick_chasey said:

    Dorset_Boy said:

    Really don't get the Dennis move. He seemed really happy and settled at Ineos, which after his woes and troubles of the previous couple of seasons makes it feel like he is risking that all.

    He's 31 and was on apparently an ineos friendly contract (ie. not lots). Doesn't have many more years earning a top cyclist salary so why not move for a pay rise?
    That would seem to be the most likely reason, maximise his earnings for the last few years - he strikes me as someone who potentially won't want to ride until he is 40 - could be wrong though.

    The blurb suggested he might be in the frame to target some week long races with JV, which I don't think is anything that reared it's head at Ineos - happy to be wrong.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Look I have no idea, I am totally guessing.

    It's just whenever people who *do* know about transfers they always say "it's almost always about the money". He was fairly damaged goods going into ineos and he did well, so presumably his rate is higher than it was going into ineos.
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    edited September 2021
    I don't know how comfortable he was being a teammate of Ganna, who is effectively his biggest rival.
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  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,572
    RichN95. said:

    I don't know how comfortable he was being a teammate of Ganna, who is effectively his biggest rival.

    So a move to a team with Van Aert, Dumpin Tom and Roglic makes sense?
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    Dorset_Boy said:

    RichN95. said:

    I don't know how comfortable he was being a teammate of Ganna, who is effectively his biggest rival.

    So a move to a team with Van Aert, Dumpin Tom and Roglic makes sense?
    If he's better than them, but not Ganna then yes. He may think that they have kit advantages that he can't get at Ineos
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  • gsk82
    gsk82 Posts: 3,601
    RichN95. said:

    Dorset_Boy said:

    RichN95. said:

    I don't know how comfortable he was being a teammate of Ganna, who is effectively his biggest rival.

    So a move to a team with Van Aert, Dumpin Tom and Roglic makes sense?
    If he's better than them, but not Ganna then yes. He may think that they have kit advantages that he can't get at Ineos
    Or supplementary ones.
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  • daniel_b
    daniel_b Posts: 11,984
    edited September 2021
    RichN95. said:

    Dorset_Boy said:

    RichN95. said:

    I don't know how comfortable he was being a teammate of Ganna, who is effectively his biggest rival.

    So a move to a team with Van Aert, Dumpin Tom and Roglic makes sense?
    If he's better than them, but not Ganna then yes. He may think that they have kit advantages that he can't get at Ineos

    “I’m looking forward to the new challenges and I’m excited to be joining arguably one of the leading teams with R&D in the pro peloton," Dennis said after the move was announced.

    Riding alongside the likes of Primož Roglič, Wout van Aert and Tom Dumoulin - again - is something I couldn’t refuse.

    Continuing to contribute to major Grand Tour wins with the team and taking some of my own chances at week-long tours is a major goal of mine. "
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  • r0bh
    r0bh Posts: 2,438
    Ben Tulett to Ineos

    https://www.ineosgrenadiers.com/article/aa955c64-2d4a-446e-b750-835ec434b6f0
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    r0bh said:

    Ben Tulett to Ineos

    https://www.ineosgrenadiers.com/article/aa955c64-2d4a-446e-b750-835ec434b6f0

    Yet another former winner of the Junior Tour of Wales.
  • notquite6foot
    notquite6foot Posts: 248
    gsk82 said:

    They may have wanted rid.

    You may well be right. Rumour on CN forums is that Dennis wasn't offered a contract extension by Ineos in the first place, and that Rod Ellingworth is the common denominator in his transfer to JV and the transfer from Bahrain two years prior.
  • No_Ta_Doctor
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    notquite6foot said:

    gsk82 said:

    They may have wanted rid.

    You may well be right. Rumour on CN forums is that Dennis wasn't offered a contract extension by Ineos in the first place, and that Rod Ellingworth is the common denominator in his transfer to JV and the transfer from Bahrain two years prior.
    Given Ellingworth only joined UAE in October 2019, when Dennis had already left the team (riding an unmarked bike in the World's TT in September) that seems a little unlikely.
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  • RichN95.
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    No_Ta_Doctor said:

    notquite6foot said:

    gsk82 said:

    They may have wanted rid.

    You may well be right. Rumour on CN forums is that Dennis wasn't offered a contract extension by Ineos in the first place, and that Rod Ellingworth is the common denominator in his transfer to JV and the transfer from Bahrain two years prior.
    Given Ellingworth only joined UAE in October 2019, when Dennis had already left the team (riding an unmarked bike in the World's TT in September) that seems a little unlikely.

    And Ellingworth said he tried to get him to stay at Bahrain
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  • daniel_b
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    r0bh said:

    Ben Tulett to Ineos

    https://www.ineosgrenadiers.com/article/aa955c64-2d4a-446e-b750-835ec434b6f0

    He looks like he has a lot of potential.
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  • andyrac
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    Pross said:

    r0bh said:

    Ben Tulett to Ineos

    https://www.ineosgrenadiers.com/article/aa955c64-2d4a-446e-b750-835ec434b6f0

    Yet another former winner of the Junior Tour of Wales.
    And double Junior World CX Champion (like a certain MvdP).
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  • daniel_b
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    andyrac said:

    Pross said:

    r0bh said:

    Ben Tulett to Ineos

    https://www.ineosgrenadiers.com/article/aa955c64-2d4a-446e-b750-835ec434b6f0

    Yet another former winner of the Junior Tour of Wales.
    And double Junior World CX Champion (like a certain MvdP).
    Yup, although looks like he has canned the CX to concentrate on road, which for the likes of Pidcock and MvdP doing the opposite has reaped dividends, so maybe Pidders will get him to reconsider.
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