The Royals
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When referring to the support for the Royals, I tend to think of younger generations as anyone under 75yrs!ddraver said:
There are only about 3 of us under 40 here...pinkbikini said:Blimey, people are getting in a froth again on here!
I thought the Royal Family were losing their relevance with younger generations - seems to not be the case at all.0 -
To be fair, there hasn’t been a specific accusation to address.elbowloh said:
Which is why there has been so much speculative debate.
"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
There was 2 hours of this interview wasn't there? There must have been something else of interest said in it.0
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About a conversation regarding the potential colour of the baby. Quite specific. William could have said it didn't happen or wasn't aware of it happening.blazing_saddles said:
To be fair, there hasn’t been a specific accusation to address.elbowloh said:
Which is why there has been so much speculative debate.0 -
William would have been naive to have done more. Harry and the Trollope were effectively trolling.elbowloh said:
About a conversation regarding the potential colour of the baby. Quite specific. William could have said it didn't happen or wasn't aware of it happening.blazing_saddles said:
To be fair, there hasn’t been a specific accusation to address.elbowloh said:
Which is why there has been so much speculative debate.-3 -
So you did. Really having a bad day, aren't you? Maybe have a nap.DeVlaeminck said:
I called you racist as well.
It's just a hill. Get over it.0 -
^ Coopster, you're going to get yourself banned again. ( Edit: not you secret squirrel, but the poster above)
It was quite nice outside today, windy, couple showers but lot of sunshine. Fresh air, gooood. And no browsing the internet for who's winding up who. Enjoyed.1 -
Yeah, I'll just shut up and suffer. Sorry to burden you, you tiny person.david37 said:secretsam said:
So, I have to show you referral letters for MH counselling in order for you to believe that I have depression? Is that how it works? Someone has to prove that they are ill, just to satisfy you?david37 said:Why? did she provide any credible evidence? and who are you to announce how people should react or behave or how they should think?
if you want me to treat you as a special case yes. You have depression, its your problem don't expect me to take it on board too. What a totally self centred attitude you have. No one is special because they have depression loads of people have it and you don't know wether the person you're burdening with your outpourings has issues of their own to deal with.
Personally I don't think its wrong to expect to be treated with dignity whatever your personal circumstances. I do think its a lack of courtesy to burden strangers with your problems and frankly its boring. there are loads of people who need to help others and embrace others problems go and be tedious with them. Or health professionals who are equipped to actually help. or the samaritans.
It's just a hill. Get over it.0 -
Secret Squirrel??? Now I'm REALLY offendedorraloon said:^ Coopster, you're going to get yourself banned again. ( Edit: not you secret squirrel, but the poster above)
It was quite nice outside today, windy, couple showers but lot of sunshine. Fresh air, gooood. And no browsing the internet for who's winding up who. Enjoyed.
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Yes, that was quite specific, but just who said it has been left unsaid.elbowloh said:
About a conversation regarding the potential colour of the baby. Quite specific. William could have said it didn't happen or wasn't aware of it happening.blazing_saddles said:
To be fair, there hasn’t been a specific accusation to address.elbowloh said:
Which is why there has been so much speculative debate.
So yes, he could quite easily have said he "wasn't aware of it happening," but obviously not that it didn't happen.
Given how polarised this debate has become, I can imagine the sort of responses saying he "wasn't aware" would have generated."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
I mean, given that Meghan Markle is unlikely to delve into this particular niche of the internet to take personal offence at what is a rather inoccuous insult, do you think revelling in the prospect of getting someone banned from the forum is justified for what seems like a minor infraction? I must have missed your outrage in the Brexit thread when leave voters were on the receiving end of almost daily outpouring of slime questioning their intelligence and showering them with often ageist insults and accusations of racism. Or is that whataboutery?orraloon said:^ Coopster, you're going to get yourself banned again. ( Edit: not you secret squirrel, but the poster above)
It was quite nice outside today, windy, couple showers but lot of sunshine. Fresh air, gooood. And no browsing the internet for who's winding up who. Enjoyed.
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He's not Coopster. Our former friend actually believed all the stuff he posted, whereas david is more of a pastiche.orraloon said:^ Coopster, you're going to get yourself banned again. ( Edit: not you secret squirrel, but the poster above)
It was quite nice outside today, windy, couple showers but lot of sunshine. Fresh air, gooood. And no browsing the internet for who's winding up who. Enjoyed.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Oy!secretsam said:
Secret Squirrel??? Now I'm REALLY offendedorraloon said:^ Coopster, you're going to get yourself banned again. ( Edit: not you secret squirrel, but the poster above)
It was quite nice outside today, windy, couple showers but lot of sunshine. Fresh air, gooood. And no browsing the internet for who's winding up who. Enjoyed.
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Hmmm. Not sure is not an alterego. The '37' one claimed ownership over the Botster one re the use of the 'bedwetter' insults which I seem to recall the Coopster one using quite a lot. Cannot be arrised digging back through the archives to check, got a life.0
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SF. Not me that flagged it. Only ever flagged that pseudo south west texan johnny from Milton Keynes who did go way overboard on insulting non-white people.shortfall said:
I mean, given that Meghan Markle is unlikely to delve into this particular niche of the internet to take personal offence at what is a rather inoccuous insult, do you think revelling in the prospect of getting someone banned from the forum is justified for what seems like a minor infraction? I must have missed your outrage in the Brexit thread when leave voters were on the receiving end of almost daily outpouring of slime questioning their intelligence and showering them with often ageist insults and accusations of racism. Or is that whataboutery?orraloon said:^ Coopster, you're going to get yourself banned again. ( Edit: not you secret squirrel, but the poster above)
It was quite nice outside today, windy, couple showers but lot of sunshine. Fresh air, gooood. And no browsing the internet for who's winding up who. Enjoyed.
Also, not been on the Brexit thread in ages, multiple thousands of new posts since looked last, and xxxx knows how long ago I bothered posting there. Got A Life.0 -
No I know you didn't flag it but you seemed to be cheering on that it was going to lead to a ban. FWIW I know David can fight his own battles but I feel some solidarity with him as someone who rows against the tide a bit and I just can't be doing with all this reporting business.orraloon said:
SF. Not me that flagged it. Only ever flagged that pseudo south west texan johnny from Milton Keynes who did go way overboard on insulting non-white people.shortfall said:
I mean, given that Meghan Markle is unlikely to delve into this particular niche of the internet to take personal offence at what is a rather inoccuous insult, do you think revelling in the prospect of getting someone banned from the forum is justified for what seems like a minor infraction? I must have missed your outrage in the Brexit thread when leave voters were on the receiving end of almost daily outpouring of slime questioning their intelligence and showering them with often ageist insults and accusations of racism. Or is that whataboutery?orraloon said:^ Coopster, you're going to get yourself banned again. ( Edit: not you secret squirrel, but the poster above)
It was quite nice outside today, windy, couple showers but lot of sunshine. Fresh air, gooood. And no browsing the internet for who's winding up who. Enjoyed.
Also, not been on the Brexit thread in ages, multiple thousands of new posts since looked last, and xxxx knows how long ago I bothered posting there. Got A Life.0 -
You're never abusive SF, I think that's probably why you don't get flagged.
David plays up to it, so I wouldn't worry too much about him.0 -
You may recall Alejandro's dog.orraloon said:Hmmm. Not sure is not an alterego. The '37' one claimed ownership over the Botster one re the use of the 'bedwetter' insults which I seem to recall the Coopster one using quite a lot. Cannot be arrised digging back through the archives to check, got a life.
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That didn't seem relevant to this case the first time you posted it and still doesn't now. Who is claiming that a white person or institution has suffered more? All anyone has mentioned was the lack of any sort of substance in the allegation being made.rick_chasey said:imposter2.0 said:
I tend to agree. Although as far as I'm concerned, the inference can be taken that the comment was made by either his dad, or his brother. I think he mentioned in the interview that he was 'rebuilding' relationships with both of them at the moment - so calling them out as potentially racist during the interview might not have been the best way forward...john80 said:In all this it is assumed that Meghan and Harry are mere plebs. If the claim is true that someone queried the babies colour in a manner that is rascist both of them are in a good position to shut that down. If it is a staffer do we really believe that Harry has not got the power to influence that person's propsects. If it was a family member it should have been called out at the time. The whole thing is an embarrassment for all concerned.
The terms of this law are simple and universal: they state that a white person or institution accused of racism has suffered far more than a black person who has been the victim of racism.3 -
Again, why do you keep reading people are saying they are suffering more? Do you not agree that bad things can happen to someone wongly accused of racism? That other people suffer worse directly from racism doesn't make it easier for a person who has lost their job from a spurious claim (for what it's worth I think Baker is a poor example as his claims he didn't know Markle was black seems unlikely for someone working in the media and he should have realised how his Tweet could be interpreted even if that wasn't how it was intended).rick_chasey said:
If you honestly think white people suffer more from accusations of racism that victims of racism I don't think you understand the problem, genuinely.DeVlaeminck said:
Like Danny Baker? Obviously don't be racist but for me he wasn't racist and he lost his job/career over accusations of racism and has to live with the stigma of that. I use that example as it relates to Meghan and Harry.ddraver said:
don't be racist?Jezyboy said:The current culture of Internet shaming means that in many cases, individuals can suffer greatly from being racist or (if I'm being contentious) being seen to be racist.
Being racist on twitter can see you getting sacked which is disastrous on an individual level. Whereas having one racist joke made about you probably doesn't do extreme harm.
Of course, over time lots of racist abuse is going to be awful for anyone's mental state.
So what's the answer? I don't have a clue.
Individual cases have to be taken as such.
In this case mentioning the incident happened but not saying who made the comments or exactly what was said has left it all open to speculation and the wrong people being blamed. I don't understand why, if it was a comment bad enough to warrant mentioning, why it wasn't worth going all in and naming names / giving details of what was said as the person in question wouldn't deserve protecting.4 -
So what can they say? How do you prove you aren't racist? Your point seems to be that if a black person says you are racist you just have to accept that you are.rick_chasey said:
It's a non-statement, isn't it?blazing_saddles said:Maybe it's because I am a lot older than most on here, or maybe I am not very bright, but have to admit to being a bit lost with the direction the debate seems to have taken.
Prince William has countered Megan's accusation this morning by saying and I quote: "We're very much not a racist family."
Is this an example of what Rick calls a white man playing the victim, or can his response be given equal consideration?3 -
Yup.Pross said:
So what can they say? How do you prove you aren't racist? Your point seems to be that if a black person says you are racist you just have to accept that you are.rick_chasey said:
It's a non-statement, isn't it?blazing_saddles said:Maybe it's because I am a lot older than most on here, or maybe I am not very bright, but have to admit to being a bit lost with the direction the debate seems to have taken.
Prince William has countered Megan's accusation this morning by saying and I quote: "We're very much not a racist family."
Is this an example of what Rick calls a white man playing the victim, or can his response be given equal consideration?
I gave up at that point as I knew Rick would just go around in ever increasing circles."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.1 -
I think the point he's making is that other than Ali G, people tend not to throw racism complaints around willy nilly and goes beyond calling a black person the n word.
Rather than playing the victim with your white privilidge, try to understand what the person is saying when they say they've experienced racism.
You could draw an analogy with all the abuse women have to deal with on a daily basis which has really been brought to the fore in the tragic case in the news just now. Every leering glance, every lewd comment, every time youre passed over for promotion, every time you work your arse off and someone else gets the credit etc etc. Doesn't seem like much as a one off but it's a lifetime of oppression and fear across an ENTIRE demographic - almost without exception.
The fact that one person *may* be accidentally called racist is a bit rich.
One could compare it to the *so what* attitude to those who die from flu each year because it's what society accepts.
Imagine society accepted a few people lost their job for false racism complaints but it meant eradicating racism?
Maybe I've gone off on one here.....1 -
Also did someone tell victims of racism to stop being so chippy?0
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Who is playing the victim?shirley_basso said:I think the point he's making is that other than Ali G, people tend not to throw racism complaints around willy nilly and goes beyond calling a black person the n word.
Rather than playing the victim with your white privilidge, try to understand what the person is saying when they say they've experienced racism.
You could draw an analogy with all the abuse women have to deal with on a daily basis which has really been brought to the fore in the tragic case in the news just now. Every leering glance, every lewd comment, every time youre passed over for promotion, every time you work your censored off and someone else gets the credit etc etc. Doesn't seem like much as a one off but it's a lifetime of oppression and fear across an ENTIRE demographic - almost without exception.
The fact that one person *may* be accidentally called racist is a bit rich.
One could compare it to the *so what* attitude to those who die from flu each year because it's what society accepts.
Imagine society accepted a few people lost their job for false racism complaints but it meant eradicating racism?
Maybe I've gone off on one here.....
Taking race out of it altogether have you never experienced anyone misunderstanding something you've said and possibly taken offence as a result?
I won't give any flippant examples as someone will take that as me making a literal comparison.
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I think you've taken to using bedwetting recently. are you me too? I hope not.orraloon said:Hmmm. Not sure is not an alterego. The '37' one claimed ownership over the Botster one re the use of the 'bedwetter' insults which I seem to recall the Coopster one using quite a lot. Cannot be arrised digging back through the archives to check, got a life.
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kingstongraham said:
You're never abusive SF, I think that's probably why you don't get flagged.
David plays up to it, so I wouldn't worry too much about him.
now now just because you are threatened by people who think for themselves and don't follow woke thought doesn't mean they're abusive.
You're becoming a bit obsessed Graham chasing me round and abusing. If I was upset about it I might think I was being harassed ( Which of course I am). but I just move on imperiously.
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hmmm and if a white person says you're racist do you also have to accept it? Perhaps the wokeerati bleeding hearts hold white people to a different standard. Which to the best of my knowledge would be a prima facie case of racism.Pross said:
So what can they say? How do you prove you aren't racist? Your point seems to be that if a black person says you are racist you just have to accept that you are.rick_chasey said:
It's a non-statement, isn't it?blazing_saddles said:Maybe it's because I am a lot older than most on here, or maybe I am not very bright, but have to admit to being a bit lost with the direction the debate seems to have taken.
Prince William has countered Megan's accusation this morning by saying and I quote: "We're very much not a racist family."
Is this an example of what Rick calls a white man playing the victim, or can his response be given equal consideration?
all good fun
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Can we stop with the woke stuff like it's some sort of out there, weird fad. It's just about being for diversity and equality, which is the law of the land.2
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yes I think that you're making my point superbly well.secretsam said:
Yeah, I'll just shut up and suffer. Sorry to burden you, you tiny person.david37 said:secretsam said:
So, I have to show you referral letters for MH counselling in order for you to believe that I have depression? Is that how it works? Someone has to prove that they are ill, just to satisfy you?david37 said:Why? did she provide any credible evidence? and who are you to announce how people should react or behave or how they should think?
if you want me to treat you as a special case yes. You have depression, its your problem don't expect me to take it on board too. What a totally self centred attitude you have. No one is special because they have depression loads of people have it and you don't know wether the person you're burdening with your outpourings has issues of their own to deal with.
Personally I don't think its wrong to expect to be treated with dignity whatever your personal circumstances. I do think its a lack of courtesy to burden strangers with your problems and frankly its boring. there are loads of people who need to help others and embrace others problems go and be tedious with them. Or health professionals who are equipped to actually help. or the samaritans.
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