Will you have the Covid-19 vaccine?
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Without doing any maffs at all, I suspect the chance of dying or being seriously ill from covid (or long covid) is much higher than the (probably non-existent) extra risks of blood clots (given how many millions of doses have already been given). If you've read about how the age profile of covid dead and seriously ill in Brazil has changed, I'd not be wanting to rely on youth or good health for not getting it and getting deaded.0
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briantrumpet said:
Without doing any maffs at all, I suspect the chance of dying or being seriously ill from covid (or long covid) is much higher than the (probably non-existent) extra risks of blood clots (given how many millions of doses have already been given). If you've read about how the age profile of covid dead and seriously ill in Brazil has changed, I'd not be wanting to rely on youth or good health for not getting it and getting deaded.
I live on Exmoor not in Brazil
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Aye indeed. What's the running total of vaccinations in e.g. UK? Heading towards 20m? How many directly caused deaths? Zero. Else the meejah would have been ecstatic.0
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I had the AZ vaccine yesterday, having made the decision that there's far more risk from Covid for me and others than the risk presented by a infinitesimal chance of blood clotting issues. In the health questionnaire before administering the vaccine they asked several questions regarding conditions and medications which could impact clotting, no idea if that's new since the discoveries in other countries or whether the questions have always been asked.0
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joe2019 said:briantrumpet said:
Without doing any maffs at all, I suspect the chance of dying or being seriously ill from covid (or long covid) is much higher than the (probably non-existent) extra risks of blood clots (given how many millions of doses have already been given). If you've read about how the age profile of covid dead and seriously ill in Brazil has changed, I'd not be wanting to rely on youth or good health for not getting it and getting deaded.
I live on Exmoor not in Brazil
Just remind me where we think the virus started... I don't think it was Simonsbath, but it still made it all the way to Porlock.1 -
"An analysis of safety data from more than 17 million vaccine doses has found no evidence linking the AstraZeneca vaccine to a higher risk of pulmonary embolism, deep vein thrombosis or thrombocytopenia, the British-Swedish manufacturer said.
In fact, the reported numbers of these types of events for Covid-19 vaccine AstraZeneca are not greater than the number that would have occurred naturally in the unvaccinated population,” a company spokeswoman said in a statement reported by Reuters.
Such trends or patterns were also not observed during clinical trials for the vaccine, she added."
17m is a pretty passable sample, I guess.0 -
briantrumpet said:joe2019 said:briantrumpet said:
Without doing any maffs at all, I suspect the chance of dying or being seriously ill from covid (or long covid) is much higher than the (probably non-existent) extra risks of blood clots (given how many millions of doses have already been given). If you've read about how the age profile of covid dead and seriously ill in Brazil has changed, I'd not be wanting to rely on youth or good health for not getting it and getting deaded.
I live on Exmoor not in Brazil
Just remind me where we think the virus started... I don't think it was Simonsbath, but it still made it all the way to Porlock.
Just remind me of the survival rate of the virus.briantrumpet said:"An analysis of safety data from more than 17 million vaccine doses has found no evidence linking the AstraZeneca vaccine to a higher risk of pulmonary embolism, deep vein thrombosis or thrombocytopenia, the British-Swedish manufacturer said.
In fact, the reported numbers of these types of events for Covid-19 vaccine AstraZeneca are not greater than the number that would have occurred naturally in the unvaccinated population,”
a company spokeswoman said in a statement reported by Reuters.
Such trends or patterns were also not observed during clinical trials for the vaccine, she added."
17m is a pretty passable sample, I guess.
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Little reminder to everyonejoe2019 said:pangolin said:
Do you really believe this?joe2019 said:briantrumpet said:joe2019 said:Pross said:Daughter had her first jab today. My wife's colleague, who has turned down the jab offered to them as care workers, thinks it's irresponsible. This isn't because of the same reason for not getting jabbed herself (vaccine rushed through, not properly tested blah blah) but because those who have it will become "silent killers" as they won't know they have the virus but can still pass it to those who don't have the vaccine.
I'm really struggling with that logic. This is an educated, normally sensible, person we've known for years. I think her husband may have been the trigger although he's a well-educated person with a responsible job too. She has already had three 10 day stints off work self-isolating after coming into contact with positive cases (outside work).
Even 'well educated' people are allowed different opinions to yours.
Ignoring the science/data isn't just "having a different opinion"... if it shows (as it increasingly appears to be showing) that having the vaccination both protects you, and greatly reduces the likelihood of you passing it on, then it's not just 'opinion', it's data: cold, hard, data.
So the experiment is going well then
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joe2019 said:briantrumpet said:joe2019 said:briantrumpet said:
Without doing any maffs at all, I suspect the chance of dying or being seriously ill from covid (or long covid) is much higher than the (probably non-existent) extra risks of blood clots (given how many millions of doses have already been given). If you've read about how the age profile of covid dead and seriously ill in Brazil has changed, I'd not be wanting to rely on youth or good health for not getting it and getting deaded.
I live on Exmoor not in Brazil
Just remind me where we think the virus started... I don't think it was Simonsbath, but it still made it all the way to Porlock.
Just remind me of the survival rate of the virus.briantrumpet said:"An analysis of safety data from more than 17 million vaccine doses has found no evidence linking the AstraZeneca vaccine to a higher risk of pulmonary embolism, deep vein thrombosis or thrombocytopenia, the British-Swedish manufacturer said.
In fact, the reported numbers of these types of events for Covid-19 vaccine AstraZeneca are not greater than the number that would have occurred naturally in the unvaccinated population,” a company spokeswoman said in a statement reported by Reuters.
Such trends or patterns were also not observed during clinical trials for the vaccine, she added."
17m is a pretty passable sample, I guess.
Forward that message to Norway, Iceland, Austria, Denmark, Estonia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Latvia and Italy.
So you reckon AstraZeneca would quote false data. OK.0 -
briantrumpet said:joe2019 said:briantrumpet said:joe2019 said:briantrumpet said:
Without doing any maffs at all, I suspect the chance of dying or being seriously ill from covid (or long covid) is much higher than the (probably non-existent) extra risks of blood clots (given how many millions of doses have already been given). If you've read about how the age profile of covid dead and seriously ill in Brazil has changed, I'd not be wanting to rely on youth or good health for not getting it and getting deaded.
I live on Exmoor not in Brazil
Just remind me where we think the virus started... I don't think it was Simonsbath, but it still made it all the way to Porlock.
Just remind me of the survival rate of the virus.briantrumpet said:"An analysis of safety data from more than 17 million vaccine doses has found no evidence linking the AstraZeneca vaccine to a higher risk of pulmonary embolism, deep vein thrombosis or thrombocytopenia, the British-Swedish manufacturer said.
In fact, the reported numbers of these types of events for Covid-19 vaccine AstraZeneca are not greater than the number that would have occurred naturally in the unvaccinated population,” a company spokeswoman said in a statement reported by Reuters.
Such trends or patterns were also not observed during clinical trials for the vaccine, she added."
17m is a pretty passable sample, I guess.
Forward that message to Norway, Iceland, Austria, Denmark, Estonia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Latvia and Italy.
So you reckon AstraZeneca would quote false data. OK.
Not at all, I believe everything word, every company has ever said.
Norway, Iceland, Austria, Denmark, Estonia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Latvia and Italy clearly have no clue.
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I suspect I am wasting my time, but it's worth a try: you can work the maths out for yourself. The EU official reports are of 30 cases of blood clots (of which ~5 deaths following vaccination. This is consistent with the number of blood clots you would expect to see in a population of 5 million without vaccination. Even supposing that those deaths may were directly attributable (which they aren't), that would be 1 death per million. Compare that to the IFR of Covid, which is somewhere between 1 in 100 and 1 in 1000. So even if we imagine that vaccine causes this small number of cases of fatal blood clots, it is still at least 1000 times safer than contracting Covid.joe2019 said:briantrumpet said:joe2019 said:briantrumpet said:joe2019 said:briantrumpet said:Without doing any maffs at all, I suspect the chance of dying or being seriously ill from covid (or long covid) is much higher than the (probably non-existent) extra risks of blood clots (given how many millions of doses have already been given). If you've read about how the age profile of covid dead and seriously ill in Brazil has changed, I'd not be wanting to rely on youth or good health for not getting it and getting deaded.
I live on Exmoor not in Brazil
Just remind me where we think the virus started... I don't think it was Simonsbath, but it still made it all the way to Porlock.
Just remind me of the survival rate of the virus.briantrumpet said:"An analysis of safety data from more than 17 million vaccine doses has found no evidence linking the AstraZeneca vaccine to a higher risk of pulmonary embolism, deep vein thrombosis or thrombocytopenia, the British-Swedish manufacturer said.
In fact, the reported numbers of these types of events for Covid-19 vaccine AstraZeneca are not greater than the number that would have occurred naturally in the unvaccinated population,” a company spokeswoman said in a statement reported by Reuters.
Such trends or patterns were also not observed during clinical trials for the vaccine, she added."
17m is a pretty passable sample, I guess.
Forward that message to Norway, Iceland, Austria, Denmark, Estonia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Latvia and Italy.
So you reckon AstraZeneca would quote false data. OK.
Not at all, I believe everything word, every company has ever said.
Norway, Iceland, Austria, Denmark, Estonia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Latvia and Italy clearly have no clue.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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But Joe has no risk. Normal rules of mortality don't not apply to the man, the myth, the legend that is Joe.rjsterry said:
I suspect I am wasting my time, but it's worth a try: you can work the maths out for yourself. The EU official reports are of 30 cases of blood clots (of which ~5 deaths following vaccination. This is consistent with the number of blood clots you would expect to see in a population of 5 million without vaccination. Even supposing that those deaths may were directly attributable (which they aren't), that would be 1 death per million. Compare that to the IFR of Covid, which is somewhere between 1 in 100 and 1 in 1000. So even if we imagine that vaccine causes this small number of cases of fatal blood clots, it is still at least 1000 times safer than contracting Covid.joe2019 said:briantrumpet said:joe2019 said:briantrumpet said:joe2019 said:briantrumpet said:Without doing any maffs at all, I suspect the chance of dying or being seriously ill from covid (or long covid) is much higher than the (probably non-existent) extra risks of blood clots (given how many millions of doses have already been given). If you've read about how the age profile of covid dead and seriously ill in Brazil has changed, I'd not be wanting to rely on youth or good health for not getting it and getting deaded.
I live on Exmoor not in Brazil
Just remind me where we think the virus started... I don't think it was Simonsbath, but it still made it all the way to Porlock.
Just remind me of the survival rate of the virus.briantrumpet said:"An analysis of safety data from more than 17 million vaccine doses has found no evidence linking the AstraZeneca vaccine to a higher risk of pulmonary embolism, deep vein thrombosis or thrombocytopenia, the British-Swedish manufacturer said.
In fact, the reported numbers of these types of events for Covid-19 vaccine AstraZeneca are not greater than the number that would have occurred naturally in the unvaccinated population,” a company spokeswoman said in a statement reported by Reuters.
Such trends or patterns were also not observed during clinical trials for the vaccine, she added."
17m is a pretty passable sample, I guess.
Forward that message to Norway, Iceland, Austria, Denmark, Estonia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Latvia and Italy.
So you reckon AstraZeneca would quote false data. OK.
Not at all, I believe everything word, every company has ever said.
Norway, Iceland, Austria, Denmark, Estonia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Latvia and Italy clearly have no clue.1 -
I reckon they should create a vaccine from Joe's DNA with him being the only human not at risk of dying from Covid.0
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Let's hope for his sake he doesn't become a statistic for the irony thread.1
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whyamihere said:
I had the AZ vaccine yesterday, having made the decision that there's far more risk from Covid for me and others than the risk presented by a infinitesimal chance of blood clotting issues. In the health questionnaire before administering the vaccine they asked several questions regarding conditions and medications which could impact clotting, no idea if that's new since the discoveries in other countries or whether the questions have always been asked.
I was vaccinated late January. Those questions were asked then - I seem to recall the form asked about anti-coagulation drugs, which - to my non-medical self - seems to indicate the opposite possible side effect?Ben
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Yes, there was something about that. I had the jab mid Feb and there was a question about Warfarin. Somebody in front of me said they had high blood pressure and was told it's specifically warfarin they wanted to know about.1
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Indeed. As part of the check in, was asked specifically on any prescribed blood thinner drugs, which I don't have.
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Apart from the booze right?orraloon said:Indeed. As part of the check in, was asked specifically on any prescribed blood thinner drugs, which I don't have.
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😊 xxxx am I missing out? Can I get booze on prescription? Why Did No One Tell Me!! Waaaaaah.0
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My wife has treated cats who have swallowed engine oil with vodka (in place of medicinal alcohol). She was in the papers about it.orraloon said:😊 xxxx am I missing out? Can I get booze on prescription? Why Did No One Tell Me!! Waaaaaah.
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That is because warfarin is a blood thinner and they don't want to create a bleed that won't stop. Required warfarin levels can vary and so if you are on it you need to get checked out before you have any injection.veronese68 said:Yes, there was something about that. I had the jab mid Feb and there was a question about Warfarin. Somebody in front of me said they had high blood pressure and was told it's specifically warfarin they wanted to know about.
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Yes, those were some of the questions. My interpretation of it given the recent news was that if you've been prescribed anti-coagulants, you're probably at higher risk of clotting already, though I'm similarly non-medical so could be way off.Ben6899 said:whyamihere said:I had the AZ vaccine yesterday, having made the decision that there's far more risk from Covid for me and others than the risk presented by a infinitesimal chance of blood clotting issues. In the health questionnaire before administering the vaccine they asked several questions regarding conditions and medications which could impact clotting, no idea if that's new since the discoveries in other countries or whether the questions have always been asked.
I was vaccinated late January. Those questions were asked then - I seem to recall the form asked about anti-coagulation drugs, which - to my non-medical self - seems to indicate the opposite possible side effect?0 -
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Joe, your trolls have no entertainment value, just facepalm value. There's no sense of panache, no showmanship.1
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Oi, he's my beeyatch now 😉0
