Hunt Wheels
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wot veronese sed. Apart from the bit where he said "pawls don't just go after a year". apparently the ones fitted to hunt wheels do.0
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None of us know the conditions they've been ridden in, maybe it was a manufacturing fault, too much grease or just gunked up, as it was intermittent engagement I could have a good guess as to the issue.0
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So who do we blame for a manufacturing fault or too much grease?flasher said:None of us know the conditions they've been ridden in, maybe it was a manufacturing fault, too much grease or just gunked up, as it was intermittent engagement I could have a good guess as to the issue.
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The manufacturer, who as we know isn't Hunt, but as you said previously they take on the liability, but in this case they weren't given that chance.veronese68 said:
So who do we blame for a manufacturing fault or too much grease?flasher said:None of us know the conditions they've been ridden in, maybe it was a manufacturing fault, too much grease or just gunked up, as it was intermittent engagement I could have a good guess as to the issue.
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My Cube, not just the Hunt wheels, have only been exposed to ~1 hour of rain max since May 2017, with outdoor rides typically March to October with relatively few exceptions.
There does seem to be an awful lot of dark grease around the pawls, but having never had this issue before and so never having taken another freehub apart, I've no idea if that's normal.
My weight has varied between 76Kg and 84Kg during ownership of the Hunts and I'm not exactly blessed with sprinter power, with a very unspectacular ~3.8W/Kg 20mins on a very good day. So I've no idea how I've contributed to this drive engagement issue.
I know I should have contacted Hunt way before now, but the original rear Fulcrum wheel works and so much of the last year has been a real mental and physical struggle, due to long Covid and a crazy pandemic workload at work. At least they come with a 3 year gtee!================
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Good choice that man - congrats on the new purchase.mark8191 said:So I ended up ordering a set of DT Swiss PR 1600's. When I picked up my new bike from the shop the bike the man suggested the DT Swiss over Hunt too. I'll let you know how I get on when the arrive.
Any piccies of the bike pleeease?.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Well, no, its easy to blame Hunt, especially as they go on about their QC and all that so much and charge so much for their, tbh, fairly average product.flasher said:
Maybe after crawling home in the lowest gear (not sure it would've mattered what gear you were in BTW.) you/shop should have had a look at the hub rather than ignoring the issue and hoping it would magically fix itself, as it didn't. As mentioned sounds like sticking pawls and not a major issue, hard to blame Hunt for this.N0bodyOfTheGoat said:I bought a set of Hunt Aero Light Disc in summer 2018 after looking what I could get for £400.
All good until near the end of summer 2019, when out of nowhere I lost drive engagement when half way to Butser Hill, by luck I got engagement again and crawled home in lowest gear.
Started using the rear wheel again in summer 2020, all good until drive engagement went again, this time half way to Denbigh to tackle the long "Road To Hell" climb. Crawled back to folk's home, sometimes losing engagement.
Hoping a new £30 freehub will get things working again, first wheels I've ever had drive engagement issues with..The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Maybe this example suggests QC isn't 100% even though hubs can give problems on any brand/cost of wheels, but if Hunt had been contacted then their customer service could have been commented upon: if they'd said bu66er off, we don't care then yeah, that would have them deserving of a negative (albeit a sampling size of 1) but if they'd been more helpful then they get some kudos.flasher said:
The manufacturer, who as we know isn't Hunt, but as you said previously they take on the liability, but in this case they weren't given that chance.veronese68 said:
So who do we blame for a manufacturing fault or too much grease?flasher said:None of us know the conditions they've been ridden in, maybe it was a manufacturing fault, too much grease or just gunked up, as it was intermittent engagement I could have a good guess as to the issue.
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They use Novatec hubs.
Funnily enough so does a well respected wheel builder or two.
https://thecycleclinic.co.uk/search?type=product&q=Novatec
The mechanism is very simple. But not particularly well sealed against fanatical best bike cleaning. Also needs a relatively light grease, or not much of it. It isn't a bearing.
Flush it out with wd40, get the pawls moving, etc. Or ask Hunt nicely and they will send you a new one, possibly for free.
I am always skeptical about "my bike just broke" stories.0 -
This:
https://www.huntbikewheels.com/collections/road-cx-rim-brake-wheels/products/hunt-50-ud-carbon-spoke-wheelset?variant=32859333230669
Or this:
https://www.wiggle.co.uk/campagnolo-bora-wto-45-road-wheelset?lang=en&curr=GBP&dest=1&sku=102605551&kpid=102605551&utm_source=google&utm_term=&utm_campaign=Shopping+-+All+Products&utm_medium=base&gclid=Cj0KCQiA962BBhCzARIsAIpWEL2UHfYImxlG_pKN-q1GMuoj00WlXZHJ8Q6TX192ULFiGL829jimO4AaAi5-EALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
I have nothing against Hunt wheels at all. I just think a decent wheel builder will meet your needs better or if you want top end go the Pogacar route...0 -
flasher said:
The manufacturer, who as we know isn't Hunt, but as you said previously they take on the liability, but in this case they weren't given that chance.veronese68 said:
So who do we blame for a manufacturing fault or too much grease?flasher said:None of us know the conditions they've been ridden in, maybe it was a manufacturing fault, too much grease or just gunked up, as it was intermittent engagement I could have a good guess as to the issue.
So... Hunt as they have branded them and taken on the liability
Rightly so in most cases, there is usually a reason but sometimes manufacturing faults do just happen. If they have a 3 year warranty the guy should definitely get in touch with Hunt as you said. That warranty will be part of why people pay a premium.First.Aspect said:
I am always skeptical about "my bike just broke" stories.
Nothing wrong with Novatec hubs as such, they are a reasonable hub for the money. I've built 2 sets of wheels on them myself and would do so again. But as Hunt have branded them as their own the buck stops with them. If they had repeated issues thhey would take it up with the manufacturer I'm sure, but for the odd failure not worth their while.
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Yup. I had some cassette bite in mine and they just sent me another. Which was nice of them.
Those Bora's are lovely. Fully £800 more than the equivalent Hunts though, so they'd better be nice.
If you could get those carbon spoked Hunts with DT Swiss hubs or similar, and pay £1400 for them it would be a tough call between them, I would say.0 -
I have always gone with the old Anglosaxon adage of never buy anything that rhymes with c*nt.1
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MattFalle said:
posts? where? can you send links please.ibr17xvii said:MattFalle said:
see above. 98% of people this here thread don't rate them. it seems to be just you.ibr17xvii said:MattFalle said:
nah. it reinforces a fact.ibr17xvii said:MattFalle said:Why? so people can get mugged?
Nah. Much like hunt wheels and their price.
Why are you so defensive over them?
Maybe folk are just sick of you chiming in with the same old same old at the merest mention of them.
We get you don't rate them, move on.
we still don't understand why you love them though - care to explain.
Who's "we"? You don't rate them, that's different.
It doesn't reinforce a fact, it reinforces (incessantly) your opinion.
If "we" could kindly point me in the direction where I said I love them & when you can't I'll accept your apology & move on. As should you.
You’re consistent at missing the point I’ll give you that.
Seeing as you’ve obviously been through my posts & can’t find where I said I love Hunt wheels or even where I said I had a pair I’ll leave it at that.
No.
That's the point.
There aren't any.0 -
Go on then, what is actually wrong with it?MattFalle said:
seriously? does this seriously need discussing?diplodicus said:What's wrong with Ultegra?
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Nobody has said Novatec aren't ok, just that Malcolm tells you he's using them wheras Hunt rebrand them as their own and wrap them up in lots of marketing spiel. Also you need to bear in mind that whatever price you pay for your Hunt wheels, whatever your budget, your weight, and whatever weather you ride in then you're still getting Novatec hubs. With Cycle Clinic and other reputable wheelbuilders you can tell them your specific requirements and they'll build a wheelset around that. From memory Cycle Clinic also builds using Miche, Royce, Campag,Tune and Ambrosio hubs. In my case as a heavier rider who valued build quality over low weight Malcolm advised Miche hubs which have big bearings that are well sealed and easily serviced with a wide flange to help maintain stiffness in the build. I'm not part of the anti Hunt brigade, I'm just saying there are cheaper and better alternatives. Most people will probably be perfectly happy with Hunts if that's what they want.First.Aspect said:They use Novatec hubs.
Funnily enough so does a well respected wheel builder or two.
https://thecycleclinic.co.uk/search?type=product&q=Novatec
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shortfall said:
Nobody has said Novatec aren't ok, just that Malcolm tells you he's using them wheras Hunt rebrand them as their own and wrap them up in lots of marketing spiel. Also you need to bear in mind that whatever price you pay for your Hunt wheels, whatever your budget, your weight, and whatever weather you ride in then you're still getting Novatec hubs. With Cycle Clinic and other reputable wheelbuilders you can tell them your specific requirements and they'll build a wheelset around that. From memory Cycle Clinic also builds using Miche, Royce, Campag,Tune and Ambrosio hubs. In my case as a heavier rider who valued build quality over low weight Malcolm advised Miche hubs which have a large axle, big bearings, that are well sealed and easily serviced with a wide flange to help maintain stiffness in the build. I'm not part of the anti Hunt brigade, I'm just saying there are cheaper and better alternatives. Most people will probably be perfectly happy with Hunts if that's what they want.First.Aspect said:They use Novatec hubs.
Funnily enough so does a well respected wheel builder or two.
https://thecycleclinic.co.uk/search?type=product&q=Novatec
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Do you really want to go into this? It will ruin the love you have for your groupset.diplodicus said:
Go on then, what is actually wrong with it?MattFalle said:
seriously? does this seriously need discussing?diplodicus said:What's wrong with Ultegra?
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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No one takes you seriously.MattFalle said:
Do you really want to go into this? It will ruin the love you have for your groupset.diplodicus said:
Go on then, what is actually wrong with it?MattFalle said:
seriously? does this seriously need discussing?diplodicus said:What's wrong with Ultegra?
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strange how lots of people above have same opinion though isn't it?vegas76 said:
No one takes you seriously.MattFalle said:
Do you really want to go into this? It will ruin the love you have for your groupset.diplodicus said:
Go on then, what is actually wrong with it?MattFalle said:
seriously? does this seriously need discussing?diplodicus said:What's wrong with Ultegra?
i'm presuming you and Dip both have ultegra?.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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Follow this thread through - it was all discussed herein ad infintum.
https://forum.bikeradar.com/discussion/comment/20724486#Comment_20724486
ultegra. its grey for a reason.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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I don't think Hunt disguise the hubs they use, any more than Miche hide where they get their bearings, or Colnago hide the stem they stamp a clover leaf on.shortfall said:
Nobody has said Novatec aren't ok, just that Malcolm tells you he's using them wheras Hunt rebrand them as their own and wrap them up in lots of marketing spiel. Also you need to bear in mind that whatever price you pay for your Hunt wheels, whatever your budget, your weight, and whatever weather you ride in then you're still getting Novatec hubs. With Cycle Clinic and other reputable wheelbuilders you can tell them your specific requirements and they'll build a wheelset around that. From memory Cycle Clinic also builds using Miche, Royce, Campag,Tune and Ambrosio hubs. In my case as a heavier rider who valued build quality over low weight Malcolm advised Miche hubs which have big bearings that are well sealed and easily serviced with a wide flange to help maintain stiffness in the build. I'm not part of the anti Hunt brigade, I'm just saying there are cheaper and better alternatives. Most people will probably be perfectly happy with Hunts if that's what they want.First.Aspect said:They use Novatec hubs.
Funnily enough so does a well respected wheel builder or two.
https://thecycleclinic.co.uk/search?type=product&q=Novatec
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You are correct that it is horses for courses though. Personally I would not drop well over a grand on wheels with those hubs. Kind of like buying a top end Vauxhall.0 -
they do disuise the hubs and freewheels in both tbeir marketing and by printing their name all over them ....First.Aspect said:
I don't think Hunt disguise the hubs they use, any more than Miche hide where they get their bearings, or Colnago hide the stem they stamp a clover leaf on.shortfall said:
Nobody has said Novatec aren't ok, just that Malcolm tells you he's using them wheras Hunt rebrand them as their own and wrap them up in lots of marketing spiel. Also you need to bear in mind that whatever price you pay for your Hunt wheels, whatever your budget, your weight, and whatever weather you ride in then you're still getting Novatec hubs. With Cycle Clinic and other reputable wheelbuilders you can tell them your specific requirements and they'll build a wheelset around that. From memory Cycle Clinic also builds using Miche, Royce, Campag,Tune and Ambrosio hubs. In my case as a heavier rider who valued build quality over low weight Malcolm advised Miche hubs which have big bearings that are well sealed and easily serviced with a wide flange to help maintain stiffness in the build. I'm not part of the anti Hunt brigade, I'm just saying there are cheaper and better alternatives. Most people will probably be perfectly happy with Hunts if that's what they want.First.Aspect said:They use Novatec hubs.
Funnily enough so does a well respected wheel builder or two.
https://thecycleclinic.co.uk/search?type=product&q=Novatec
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You are correct that it is horses for courses though. Personally I would not drop well over a grand on wheels with those hubs. Kind of like buying a top end Vauxhall.
.The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
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True enough but Hunt dress it up somewhat with marketing guff like thisFirst.Aspect said:
I don't think Hunt disguise the hubs they use, any more than Miche hide where they get their bearings, or Colnago hide the stem they stamp a clover leaf on.shortfall said:
Nobody has said Novatec aren't ok, just that Malcolm tells you he's using them wheras Hunt rebrand them as their own and wrap them up in lots of marketing spiel. Also you need to bear in mind that whatever price you pay for your Hunt wheels, whatever your budget, your weight, and whatever weather you ride in then you're still getting Novatec hubs. With Cycle Clinic and other reputable wheelbuilders you can tell them your specific requirements and they'll build a wheelset around that. From memory Cycle Clinic also builds using Miche, Royce, Campag,Tune and Ambrosio hubs. In my case as a heavier rider who valued build quality over low weight Malcolm advised Miche hubs which have big bearings that are well sealed and easily serviced with a wide flange to help maintain stiffness in the build. I'm not part of the anti Hunt brigade, I'm just saying there are cheaper and better alternatives. Most people will probably be perfectly happy with Hunts if that's what they want.First.Aspect said:They use Novatec hubs.
Funnily enough so does a well respected wheel builder or two.
https://thecycleclinic.co.uk/search?type=product&q=Novatec
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You are correct that it is horses for courses though. Personally I would not drop well over a grand on wheels with those hubs. Kind of like buying a top end Vauxhall.
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So yeah maybe they're not exactly hiding the fact that they use cheap and fairly average hubs, spokes and rims but they're definitely trying to create the impression that their product is bespoke and artisan rather than the top of the range Vauxhall you accurately compare it to. Caveat emptor and all that, the cycling industry is full of marketing BS and hype and Hunt certainly aren't on their own in price gouging for stuff of limited real world benefit. Ceramic bearings anyone?0 -
MattFalle said:
Follow this thread through - it was all discussed herein ad infintum.
https://forum.bikeradar.com/discussion/comment/20724486#Comment_20724486
ultegra. its grey for a reason
There's no discussion about Ultegra in that thread.
That's just you passing your opinion off as fact & talking about yourself in the 3rd person.
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The top end Vauxhall analogy is bang on. The fact is that they aren't artisan or made in the UK - I have a lovely set of A Force's and Archetypes built by DCR in the UK, which to my mind are far more artisan than Hunt. Oh and better value!!
However MF is completely wrong about Ultegra... 0 -
I'm guessing it's due to poor spoke tension, i.e. the wheel was not built very well by a very well respected wheelbuilder!webboo said:
2x snapped rear spokes....
I have never seen spokes snapped there only at the hub.
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Sure - I'd expect some damage - but given the low impact of the crash, I was surprised at just how much the wheel buckled.... I've had front-on crashes with much stronger impacts where the front wheel has survived (i.e. I could at least ride home on it).flasher said:It failed because of a crash, I don't think the builder can be blamed for that!
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