Hour record attempt

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  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,325
    edited November 2020
    It would be interesting to list all the riders who had more than one shot at the Hour record, Vs those who should have had a shot, but didn't... then you'd realise how difficult it is to get a shot... I start:

    Boardman/Obree/Moser and now Dowsett

    Vs

    Armstrong/Cancellara/T.Martin/Zulle/Olano/Ullrich/Jalabert/Rogers/Doumulin/Millar/Zabriskie/Kiryenka/Honchar... among others
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    Didn't Millar have some sort of aborted attempt (pre-reboot) or am I imagining that ?
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  • RichN95. said:

    Didn't Millar have some sort of aborted attempt (pre-reboot) or am I imagining that ?

    Don't know...

    I think we could in theory add Michael Hutchinson to the list of two timers... :)
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  • mrb123
    mrb123 Posts: 4,833
    This hour record talk makes me wonder if Ineos might be tempted to try something with Ganna similar to the Kipchoge sub 2 hour marathon.

    60km seems to be an obvious mark to aim for. Presumably even for him that might be too difficult under the current UCI regulations.

    The 2 hour marathon wasn't compliant with official world record rules though so maybe they could try it with a bike and clothing that is non-UCI compliant and just aim for the ultimate solo hour distance.
  • elbowloh
    elbowloh Posts: 7,078

    RichN95. said:

    Didn't Millar have some sort of aborted attempt (pre-reboot) or am I imagining that ?

    Don't know...

    I think we could in theory add Michael Hutchinson to the list of two timers... :)
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  • mrb123 said:

    This hour record talk makes me wonder if Ineos might be tempted to try something with Ganna similar to the Kipchoge sub 2 hour marathon.

    60km seems to be an obvious mark to aim for. Presumably even for him that might be too difficult under the current UCI regulations.

    The 2 hour marathon wasn't compliant with official world record rules though so maybe they could try it with a bike and clothing that is non-UCI compliant and just aim for the ultimate solo hour distance.

    60 km is impossible for this generation of riders, the move from 55 to 60 km/h is enormous in terms of power required... maybe 56 is possible... but it's not an inspiring number
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  • mrb123
    mrb123 Posts: 4,833

    mrb123 said:

    This hour record talk makes me wonder if Ineos might be tempted to try something with Ganna similar to the Kipchoge sub 2 hour marathon.

    60km seems to be an obvious mark to aim for. Presumably even for him that might be too difficult under the current UCI regulations.

    The 2 hour marathon wasn't compliant with official world record rules though so maybe they could try it with a bike and clothing that is non-UCI compliant and just aim for the ultimate solo hour distance.

    60 km is impossible for this generation of riders, the move from 55 to 60 km/h is enormous in terms of power required... maybe 56 is possible... but it's not an inspiring number
    I think Boardman already did over 56 under the old rules. That was over 20 years ago so presumably there's scope for some improvement with the latest tech. Maybe not enough to get to 60km though!
  • mrb123 said:

    mrb123 said:

    This hour record talk makes me wonder if Ineos might be tempted to try something with Ganna similar to the Kipchoge sub 2 hour marathon.

    60km seems to be an obvious mark to aim for. Presumably even for him that might be too difficult under the current UCI regulations.

    The 2 hour marathon wasn't compliant with official world record rules though so maybe they could try it with a bike and clothing that is non-UCI compliant and just aim for the ultimate solo hour distance.

    60 km is impossible for this generation of riders, the move from 55 to 60 km/h is enormous in terms of power required... maybe 56 is possible... but it's not an inspiring number
    I think Boardman already did over 56 under the old rules. That was over 20 years ago so presumably there's scope for some improvement with the latest tech. Maybe not enough to get to 60km though!
    Certainly not enough to 60 km/h... I think 56 to 57 is probably the limit and for that you need the gods to assist you. One of the issue with the Hour that we seem to forget is that you set a date without knowing what the air pressure will be on the day, what temperature the velodrome will be on the day and these variable do matter significantly... and typically you only have one shot over a whole career... Wiggins wasn't particularly lucky with air pressure, for instance
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  • Something for those who think avoiding Covid completely is impossible: does anyone really think that the Queen has a chance in a million to get Covid? And that bearing in mind the army of people who live around her, which Joe Bloggs doesn't have to contend with...
    It's all about the planning, folks, all about planning things right
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  • joe2019
    joe2019 Posts: 1,338
    edited November 2020

    Something for those who think avoiding Covid completely is impossible: does anyone really think that the Queen has a chance in a million to get Covid? And that bearing in mind the army of people who live around her, which Joe Bloggs doesn't have to contend with...
    It's all about the planning, folks, all about planning things right


    The Queen met with Prince Charles and Boris Johnson in March, just before their diagnosis, so there is a chance that she has already had it, and it was kept quiet, as Prince William's was.

    One of her aides also tested positive in March.
  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,575
    Can lizards catch covid?
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    edited November 2020
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  • joe2019 said:



    One of her aides also tested positive in March.

    But that was March... getting Covid in March was excusable, nobody really knew what to do back then... getting it now carries quite a lot of responsibility, unless you work in Care or NHS or are a school teacher or other high risk category...

    Which brings back to Dowsett... :D
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    The most common place that people catch it is the supermarket
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  • joe2019
    joe2019 Posts: 1,338
    RichN95. said:

    The most common place that people catch it is the supermarket

    What's your source for that.

  • RichN95. said:

    The most common place that people catch it is the supermarket

    That's all new to me... especially now that everyone wears masks, there is hand sanitiser everywhere... where did you read this?
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  • joe2019
    joe2019 Posts: 1,338
    Found it:

    https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-supermarkets-most-common-exposure-setting-for-catching-coronavirus-in-england-latest-data-shows-12136418


    Supermarket - 18.3%
    Secondary school - 12.7%
    Primary school - 10.1%
    Hospital - 3.6%
    Care home - 2.8%
    College - 2.4%
    Warehouse - 2.2%
    Nursery preschool - 1.8%
    Pub or bar - 1.6%
    Hospitality - 1.5%
    University - 1.4%
    Manufacture engineering - 1.4%
    Household fewer than five - 1.2%
    General practice - 1.1%
    Gym - 1.1%
    Restaurant or cafe - 1.0%
  • joe2019 said:

    Found it:

    https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-supermarkets-most-common-exposure-setting-for-catching-coronavirus-in-england-latest-data-shows-12136418


    Supermarket - 18.3%
    Secondary school - 12.7%
    Primary school - 10.1%
    Hospital - 3.6%
    Care home - 2.8%
    College - 2.4%
    Warehouse - 2.2%
    Nursery preschool - 1.8%
    Pub or bar - 1.6%
    Hospitality - 1.5%
    University - 1.4%
    Manufacture engineering - 1.4%
    Household fewer than five - 1.2%
    General practice - 1.1%
    Gym - 1.1%
    Restaurant or cafe - 1.0%

    Hardly credible... it was probably a survey done during lockdown, when the hospitality sector was shut and supermarkets were the only hangouts
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  • joe2019 said:

    Found it:

    https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-supermarkets-most-common-exposure-setting-for-catching-coronavirus-in-england-latest-data-shows-12136418


    Supermarket - 18.3%
    Secondary school - 12.7%
    Primary school - 10.1%
    Hospital - 3.6%
    Care home - 2.8%
    College - 2.4%
    Warehouse - 2.2%
    Nursery preschool - 1.8%
    Pub or bar - 1.6%
    Hospitality - 1.5%
    University - 1.4%
    Manufacture engineering - 1.4%
    Household fewer than five - 1.2%
    General practice - 1.1%
    Gym - 1.1%
    Restaurant or cafe - 1.0%

    most common places visited before positive test

    Before this misuse of statistics goes any further here is the official explanation

  • RichN95. said:

    The most common place that people catch it is the supermarket

  • Makes a lot more sense
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  • salsiccia1
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  • carbonclem
    carbonclem Posts: 1,798

    r0bh said:

    r0bh said:

    andyp said:

    Are you Tory MP? Because you seem to make decisions based on no or little evidence.

    I did say I had zero detail but was not willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

    Your decision is also made with the same amount of evidence but yours is favourable.
    Yet with the same amount of evidence (i.e. none) you were willing to give Ganna the benefit of the doubt ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
    Ugo answered this for me.

    Ganna is bad luck but excusable given his season as ended and was likely celebrating.

    Errr Ganna's Covid positive meant he couldn't race at the Euro Track Champs this weekend just gone, so his season clearly hadn't ended

    Euro track Champs... now that's an important race... a once in a lifetime opportunity to what? To wear the rainbow jersey and show off a bit?
    He probably didn't care enough to self isolate, can you blame him?
    The interview I read with him he sounded gutted as he had , unintentionally, let his team mates down. As with Dowsett, I have much sympathy.
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  • r0bh said:

    r0bh said:

    andyp said:

    Are you Tory MP? Because you seem to make decisions based on no or little evidence.

    I did say I had zero detail but was not willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

    Your decision is also made with the same amount of evidence but yours is favourable.
    Yet with the same amount of evidence (i.e. none) you were willing to give Ganna the benefit of the doubt ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
    Ugo answered this for me.

    Ganna is bad luck but excusable given his season as ended and was likely celebrating.

    Errr Ganna's Covid positive meant he couldn't race at the Euro Track Champs this weekend just gone, so his season clearly hadn't ended

    Euro track Champs... now that's an important race... a once in a lifetime opportunity to what? To wear the rainbow jersey and show off a bit?
    He probably didn't care enough to self isolate, can you blame him?
    The interview I read with him he sounded gutted as he had , unintentionally, let his team mates down. As with Dowsett, I have much sympathy.
    Once you catch it despite avoiding it all you can, you’ll understand.
    I was raised with the idea that there is no tooth fairy, Santa Claus and you are in charge of your own luck... If I get it (I really hope I don't) I'll only have myself to blame.
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  • mrb123
    mrb123 Posts: 4,833

    r0bh said:

    r0bh said:

    andyp said:

    Are you Tory MP? Because you seem to make decisions based on no or little evidence.

    I did say I had zero detail but was not willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

    Your decision is also made with the same amount of evidence but yours is favourable.
    Yet with the same amount of evidence (i.e. none) you were willing to give Ganna the benefit of the doubt ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
    Ugo answered this for me.

    Ganna is bad luck but excusable given his season as ended and was likely celebrating.

    Errr Ganna's Covid positive meant he couldn't race at the Euro Track Champs this weekend just gone, so his season clearly hadn't ended

    Euro track Champs... now that's an important race... a once in a lifetime opportunity to what? To wear the rainbow jersey and show off a bit?
    He probably didn't care enough to self isolate, can you blame him?
    The interview I read with him he sounded gutted as he had , unintentionally, let his team mates down. As with Dowsett, I have much sympathy.
    Once you catch it despite avoiding it all you can, you’ll understand.
    I was raised with the idea that there is no tooth fairy, Santa Claus and you are in charge of your own luck... If I get it (I really hope I don't) I'll only have myself to blame.
    Nah, blame the Chinese!
  • From the horses mouth

    https://youtu.be/NybTjE1zGhM
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  • mrb123 said:

    This hour record talk makes me wonder if Ineos might be tempted to try something with Ganna similar to the Kipchoge sub 2 hour marathon.

    60km seems to be an obvious mark to aim for. Presumably even for him that might be too difficult under the current UCI regulations.

    The 2 hour marathon wasn't compliant with official world record rules though so maybe they could try it with a bike and clothing that is non-UCI compliant and just aim for the ultimate solo hour distance.

    you'd think on a point to point road course, with a tailwind, he'd be able to hit it.
    The guy who recently did a sub 3 hour 100 miler was obv good but no where near Ganna power levels.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    The thing with Kipchoge's 2 hour marathon was that he wasn't too far off legally: 2.01.39.

    Getting to 60km from the current record of 55km is a quite a big leap, even with Ganna and a free for all on positions.
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  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,912
    What's the recumbent record these days ?
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