Should Chris Froome swallow his pride and retire?
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seanoconn said:
There’s only 37 riders with any remaining interest in GC, the rest are domestique or sprinters. Bit of a luxury being a 37 place GC.Pross said:37th place on GC at present surprised me a bit.
I think it's less than 37 and I wouldn't include Froome in their number. Just look at yesterday. Froome's group finished about 11 minutes after the Pogacar group. But in between there were only a dozen riders - mostly from the break. Riders who got dropped weren't fighting to minimise their losses.Twitter: @RichN950 -
When does the UCI stop giving out points for GC places?0
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That's a long way after riders have stopped caring (I'd put that at 15th).RichN95. said:0 -
TheBigBean said:
That's a long way after riders have stopped caring (I'd put that at 15th).RichN95. said:
It's not a lot of points though. 21st gets you 40 points, 60th 10. For comparison a stage win is 120 - about the same as coming 12th. You get fined 25 points for littering (16 riders so far).Twitter: @RichN950 -
37th would only score 25 points, so even if he finishes there it almost certainly won't make any difference to the team whatsoever.
Neilands is their 10th highest scoring rider so far, with 100 points. Froome only has 15 this year from the Mercan'Tour Classic.
Houle, Fuglsang or Woods finishing top 60 would score them some points.0 -
Isn't it irrelevant if Froome gets points in the Tour because he isn't one of the top x number of riders in the team to have scored points? (Unless he wins loads of points of course)0
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Yes. He'd need to push on from the tour and score points in other races. Or finish in the top 13.phreak said:Isn't it irrelevant if Froome gets points in the Tour because he isn't one of the top x number of riders in the team to have scored points? (Unless he wins loads of points of course)
Their currently counting riders who are in France are fuglsang, woods, Clarke, boivin, houle and neilands.0 -
Maybe it is like Cav and he needs to sign for Ineos again.0
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kingstongraham said:
Yes. He'd need to push on from the tour and score points in other races. Or finish in the top 13.phreak said:Isn't it irrelevant if Froome gets points in the Tour because he isn't one of the top x number of riders in the team to have scored points? (Unless he wins loads of points of course)
Their currently counting riders who are in France are fuglsang, woods, Clarke, boivin, houle and neilands.
I don't think anyone thinks he is at the Tour to get points. As I have previously said, while there are points for positions 21-60 on GC they are paltry. Houle got fined 25 points for littering, the same as for coming 31st. Outside the top 20 no-one cares much about GC.Twitter: @RichN950 -
I'd say anyone outside 3 minutes will have given up. Currently Roglic in 11th at +2:52.RichN95. said:kingstongraham said:
Yes. He'd need to push on from the tour and score points in other races. Or finish in the top 13.phreak said:Isn't it irrelevant if Froome gets points in the Tour because he isn't one of the top x number of riders in the team to have scored points? (Unless he wins loads of points of course)
Their currently counting riders who are in France are fuglsang, woods, Clarke, boivin, houle and neilands.
I don't think anyone thinks he is at the Tour to get points. As I have previously said, while there are points for positions 21-60 on GC they are paltry. Houle got fined 25 points for littering, the same as for coming 31st. Outside the top 20 no-one cares much about GC.
Barring a long range attack. Now, who would try that? 😉The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Points for the top 60 on GC and only top 5 each day is an insane way of doing things.
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It's quite a sad story to be honest. Was never a big fan but I do feel for the guy.
Also shows how nails he is - he's just riding the Tour in whatever position.
FWIW, the Belgian commentators regularly tip their hat to him for sticking at it.0 -
You'd think for a 4 time winner though. I mean Indurain was 11th in the '96 Tour and he quit as a result. I can't think of many multiple winners who have been happy to scrabble around the minor places for a prolonged period.ddraver said:Not sure about that. Top 20 at the tour is maybe Top 10 at the Giro and Top 5 at next year's Dubai Tour...
Lots of teams that would take that.
You could argue that he's finding his way back into the upper echelons, but that would seem to have more credence if he was somewhere close to contesting even a single stage, but he's still way off.0 -
What’s Froome’s aim at the Tour?RichN95. said:kingstongraham said:
Yes. He'd need to push on from the tour and score points in other races. Or finish in the top 13.phreak said:Isn't it irrelevant if Froome gets points in the Tour because he isn't one of the top x number of riders in the team to have scored points? (Unless he wins loads of points of course)
Their currently counting riders who are in France are fuglsang, woods, Clarke, boivin, houle and neilands.
I don't think anyone thinks he is at the Tour to get points. As I have previously said, while there are points for positions 21-60 on GC they are paltry. Houle got fined 25 points for littering, the same as for coming 31st. Outside the top 20 no-one cares much about GC.Pinno, מלך אידיוט וחרא מכונאי0 -
phreak said:
You'd think for a 4 time winner though. I mean Indurain was 11th in the '96 Tour and he quit as a result. I can't think of many multiple winners who have been happy to scrabble around the minor places for a prolonged period.
You could argue that he's finding his way back into the upper echelons, but that would seem to have more credence if he was somewhere close to contesting even a single stage, but he's still way off.
I think if had not suffered the crash then he may have retired by now, but the crash has given him a determination that that incident won't the end of him. He wants to go out on his terms.Twitter: @RichN950 -
Like the breakaway specialists, to get the shirt on the telly each day. He does it by being Chris Froome and getting dropped when the pace goes up on the last climb.seanoconn said:
What’s Froome’s aim at the Tour?RichN95. said:kingstongraham said:
Yes. He'd need to push on from the tour and score points in other races. Or finish in the top 13.phreak said:Isn't it irrelevant if Froome gets points in the Tour because he isn't one of the top x number of riders in the team to have scored points? (Unless he wins loads of points of course)
Their currently counting riders who are in France are fuglsang, woods, Clarke, boivin, houle and neilands.
I don't think anyone thinks he is at the Tour to get points. As I have previously said, while there are points for positions 21-60 on GC they are paltry. Houle got fined 25 points for littering, the same as for coming 31st. Outside the top 20 no-one cares much about GC.2 -
I thought his interest in maximising le cash was quite well known?RichN95. said:phreak said:
You'd think for a 4 time winner though. I mean Indurain was 11th in the '96 Tour and he quit as a result. I can't think of many multiple winners who have been happy to scrabble around the minor places for a prolonged period.
You could argue that he's finding his way back into the upper echelons, but that would seem to have more credence if he was somewhere close to contesting even a single stage, but he's still way off.
I think if had not suffered the crash then he may have retired by now, but the crash has given him a determination that that incident won't the end of him. He wants to go out on his terms.0 -
I think he’s there for his GC position and by hanging onto the peloton each day for as long as possible, he might make top 30. He can’t risk a solo attack for a stage as he’s likely to blow a gasket and leak a bunch of time. When contact negotiations begin again he can say “Well I made top 30 with a few niggles that affected my preparation. Imagine what I can do with a full winter and spring of uninterrupted training/racing! €5,000,000 please.”Pinno, מלך אידיוט וחרא מכונאי0
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If Israel's aim was to get air time, it didn't work... I have spotted Froome once, seen from the rear, for a couple of seconds in 9 stages. It seems they have more money than senseleft the forum March 20230
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Indurain apparently had a contract with Once to ride with them in '97, and his '96 spring wasn't too shabby. But things all broke apart at the Vuelta, probably when he realised what was up, that whatever he had done until then wasn't likely to be enough, and that maybe he wanted to go back home and shut up about all he knew.phreak said:
You'd think for a 4 time winner though. I mean Indurain was 11th in the '96 Tour and he quit as a result. I can't think of many multiple winners who have been happy to scrabble around the minor places for a prolonged period.ddraver said:Not sure about that. Top 20 at the tour is maybe Top 10 at the Giro and Top 5 at next year's Dubai Tour...
Lots of teams that would take that.
You could argue that he's finding his way back into the upper echelons, but that would seem to have more credence if he was somewhere close to contesting even a single stage, but he's still way off.
Indurain has always been a quiet uncontroversial figure in Spain, always seen as a sort of gentleman cyclist, and no one will ever dare ask him about EPO.
Back to Froome, yeah, I think it's quite suprising that he gets up to withstand the brutal GT punishment for a very mediocre (at the elite level) showing, especially after all his achievements. But as Rick says, he's tough as nails, and a massive competitor.0 -
Surely today is the day he pinned for the breakaway!
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Surely today...
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He actually managed to stay with the GC guys until Pog launched his sprint yesterday so there must be something back in the legs.0
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Or mañana.ugo.santalucia said:Surely today...
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He'd been dropped from the break hadn't he?commuterlegs said:He actually managed to stay with the GC guys until Pog launched his sprint yesterday so there must be something back in the legs.
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