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  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,575
    Pross said:

    No_Ta_Doctor said:

    takethehighroad said:

    Does he ride for a trade team? He's done well when up against the pros as a national

    He rides for Trinity Racing, who have cross, road and MTB teams (picked from the same pool of riders, so you can ride multiple disciplines)

    https://www.trinityracing.co.uk/
    I thought he'd signed for Ineos at the end of last season or was he just a stagiaire?
    Neither.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,593
    Thanks, confirms my memory is going and I'm getting old!
  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,575
    I can't see him joining Ineos - think he wants to do something similar to Van Der Poel and do a mixed programme of road, cross and MTB.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,593
    andyp said:

    I can't see him joining Ineos - think he wants to do something similar to Van Der Poel and do a mixed programme of road, cross and MTB.

    I can understand that but as with MVDP it's bit disappointing. There must come a point where a decision has to be made. I'm not bothered what team anyone goes to but ultimately it would be nice to see all the top young riders competing against each other on the road (appreciate that Pidcock still has time on his side).
  • m.r.m.
    m.r.m. Posts: 3,486
    Looking at the way WVA is riding atm and considering MvdP utterly dominated him for years with exception of the World Championships, it would be awesome to see MvdP and others commit to the road.
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    andyp said:

    I can't see him joining Ineos - think he wants to do something similar to Van Der Poel and do a mixed programme of road, cross and MTB.


    Haven't Ineos got a record for doing that with Ganna and previously Viviani's track ambitions.
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  • DeadCalm
    DeadCalm Posts: 4,249
    RichN95. said:

    andyp said:

    I can't see him joining Ineos - think he wants to do something similar to Van Der Poel and do a mixed programme of road, cross and MTB.


    Haven't Ineos got a record for doing that with Ganna and previously Viviani's track ambitions.
    How much success have they had doing it? Genuine question. I have no idea. If I remember right though, Viviani had all his successes at DQS and Ganna hasn't had much to shout about yet.
  • m.r.m.
    m.r.m. Posts: 3,486
    Wiggins?
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  • DeadCalm
    DeadCalm Posts: 4,249
    m.r.m. said:

    Wiggins?

    Fair shout. But, at the time, Sky and BC were virtually the same outfit. It's a little different these days.
  • m.r.m.
    m.r.m. Posts: 3,486
    Yeah, but It's not like there are that many examples of riders having inordinate success in multiple disciplines for any team. Is probably only MvdP, WVA, Pauline Ferrand-Prevot and Marianne Vos.
    PTP Champion 2019, 2022 & 2023
  • DeadCalm
    DeadCalm Posts: 4,249
    If I were Pidcock and I had the choice of the peloton, I'd sign for DQS, Jumbo or (because I'm a dreamer at heart) the new classics powerhouse, AG2R. I'd even go with Sunweb, with their emphasis on youth, before considering Ineos.
  • m.r.m.
    m.r.m. Posts: 3,486
    I'm not sure if he isn't too small to be truly world beating at elite level.
    PTP Champion 2019, 2022 & 2023
  • DeadCalm
    DeadCalm Posts: 4,249
    Incidentally, that is a fantastic ride by Thomas Gloag riding against a peloton that is mostly 2 years older than him. He's a rider to keep an eye on.
  • DeadCalm
    DeadCalm Posts: 4,249
    m.r.m. said:

    I'm not sure if he isn't too small to be truly world beating at elite level.

    I had no idea that he was short. It never struck me when I've seen him race on the telly. Pro-Cycling Stats say 157 cm. Is that right? I'm 167.5 cm and have rarely come across western men shorter than me.
  • m.r.m.
    m.r.m. Posts: 3,486
    That is because you are a giant in the saddle DeadCalm! :)
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  • andyrac
    andyrac Posts: 1,205
    Pross said:

    andyp said:

    I can't see him joining Ineos - think he wants to do something similar to Van Der Poel and do a mixed programme of road, cross and MTB.

    I can understand that but as with MVDP it's bit disappointing. There must come a point where a decision has to be made. I'm not bothered what team anyone goes to but ultimately it would be nice to see all the top young riders competing against each other on the road (appreciate that Pidcock still has time on his side).
    Disappointing, why? It's great seeing riders trying to mix different disciplines. There's more to pro cycling than just road.

    They'll move to the road when and if they've achieved what they want off road. Which is why they've resisted World Tour offers.
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  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,575
    DeadCalm said:

    Incidentally, that is a fantastic ride by Thomas Gloag riding against a peloton that is mostly 2 years older than him. He's a rider to keep an eye on.

    Yes, definitely. Presumably he was working for Pidcock too, which makes it all the more impressive. Good to see someone I see out riding every now and again doing well.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,593
    andyrac said:

    Pross said:

    andyp said:

    I can't see him joining Ineos - think he wants to do something similar to Van Der Poel and do a mixed programme of road, cross and MTB.

    I can understand that but as with MVDP it's bit disappointing. There must come a point where a decision has to be made. I'm not bothered what team anyone goes to but ultimately it would be nice to see all the top young riders competing against each other on the road (appreciate that Pidcock still has time on his side).
    Disappointing, why? It's great seeing riders trying to mix different disciplines. There's more to pro cycling than just road.

    They'll move to the road when and if they've achieved what they want off road. Which is why they've resisted World Tour offers.
    In as much as you want to see the best riders going head to head and, like it or not, World Tour road races are where that happens. How many great cyclists are remembered for their achievements in CX, MTB or even track?
  • 50x11
    50x11 Posts: 408
    DeadCalm said:

    RichN95. said:

    andyp said:

    I can't see him joining Ineos - think he wants to do something similar to Van Der Poel and do a mixed programme of road, cross and MTB.


    Haven't Ineos got a record for doing that with Ganna and previously Viviani's track ambitions.
    How much success have they had doing it? Genuine question. I have no idea. If I remember right though, Viviani had all his successes at DQS and Ganna hasn't had much to shout about yet.
    Viviani won Olympic gold on the track whilst at Sky, Ganna is the fastest IP in history and they allow him to focus on it.

    You could argue they allowed PK, GT etc a fair shot at the track as well in the early days.

    I'd say Ineos is a good place to be with track ambitions, but not sure how they would approach allowing riders to race cross season when they are prepping for the next year.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    50x11 said:



    Viviani won Olympic gold on the track whilst at Sky, Ganna is the fastest IP in history and they allow him to focus on it.

    You could argue they allowed PK, GT etc a fair shot at the track as well in the early days.

    I'd say Ineos is a good place to be with track ambitions, but not sure how they would approach allowing riders to race cross season when they are prepping for the next year.

    Viviani did quite well on the road too. 16th in the World Rankings in 2017.

    As for Pidcock he's the top young British talent. Ineos will make allowances for him. Plus teams get to sign more riders for next season so they can carry a couple with Olympic ambitions (doesn't he want to do MTB or am I imagining that).
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  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,692
    Pidcock is tiny, which makes his cross and TT results even more impressive. He's definitely got a huge engine, and the power to weight ratio makes him look like he should excel in the mountains. We may know a bit more after the final stage tomorrow, with the Mortitola climb included. But I think he has serious gc potential
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    No_Ta_Doctor said:

    Pidcock is tiny, which makes his cross and TT results even more impressive. He's definitely got a huge engine, and the power to weight ratio makes him look like he should excel in the mountains. We may know a bit more after the final stage tomorrow, with the Mortitola climb included. But I think he has serious gc potential

    This what he won on today


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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,717
    ^^^^^

    In other countries MTB and CX are not seen as "lower" events.

    Broaden your Anglo-centric horizons...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,730
    edited September 2020
    I have managed to record all of Rai's coverage of the Baby G and of Coppi Bartali.
    Been searching to see if it's turning up at the various likely spots but so far nada.
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  • diplodicus
    diplodicus Posts: 722
    RichN95. said:

    No_Ta_Doctor said:

    Pidcock is tiny, which makes his cross and TT results even more impressive. He's definitely got a huge engine, and the power to weight ratio makes him look like he should excel in the mountains. We may know a bit more after the final stage tomorrow, with the Mortitola climb included. But I think he has serious gc potential

    This what he won on today


    I have ridden the last 50km of that and it is absolutely stunning up there. Anyone know if there is a video of the race
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,593
    ddraver said:

    ^^^^^

    In other countries MTB and CX are not seen as "lower" events.

    Broaden your Anglo-centric horizons...

    I think that's a stretch, they may be more popular in other countries but in any cycling nation I would suggest World Tour road racing is king by a long way and I suspect that is reflected in the salaries of top riders. Anglo centric would put track cycling up with road racing.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    edited September 2020
    ddraver said:

    ^^^^^

    In other countries MTB and CX are not seen as "lower" events.

    Broaden your Anglo-centric horizons...

    Cross:
    Medallists in the last 20 years of Men's World Championships

    41 Belgium
    9 Netherlands
    6 Czechia
    1, USA, UK, France, Italy

    Women - same countries but a bit more spread around

    25 Netherlands
    10 France, Germany
    6 Belgium
    5 USA
    2 Czechia
    1 UK, Italy

    It's a Dutch/Flandrian thing. Like Korfball
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    edited September 2020
    Double post

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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,717
    Pross said:

    ddraver said:

    ^^^^^

    In other countries MTB and CX are not seen as "lower" events.

    Broaden your Anglo-centric horizons...

    I think that's a stretch, they may be more popular in other countries but in any cycling nation I would suggest World Tour road racing is king by a long way and I suspect that is reflected in the salaries of top riders. Anglo centric would put track cycling up with road racing.
    Well... Pidcock and MvdP clearly disagree.

    MvdP currently values XCO world and Olympic gold above Paris Roubaix for example...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    edited September 2020
    ddraver said:



    MvdP currently values XCO world and Olympic gold above Paris Roubaix for example...

    At the moment. There was a time when Geraint Thomas valued Olympic gold first too.

    And how is Stuart O'Grady remembered? As a Paris-Roubaix winner or as........ let's face it you didn't even know he has a Olympic Gold did you?
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