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  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    coopster_the_1st said:

    tailwindhome said:

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    The Spanish action was a panic decision as they had lost control of the virus on the mainland and it was the only option they had. They have no plan how to unwind this action taken and are now in a state of kicking the can further down the road.

    In what sense does the UK have control over the virus?

    Why are the options in Spain the only options for Spain?

    The UK does not yet have too many cases for its health system to manage. It has been walking a tightrope by implementing measures when they are required. Shutting down open spaces where people are sensibly social distancing from each other will be hugely negative to everyone in the UK.

    Spain had to take some sort of action but all it has done has increased the amount of time their whole population are going to feel pain from this.

    What will happen when in x months the Spanish on mass go f*ck this lockdown and revolt against what the government wants them to do?
    How long do you think x is(in months)?

    The same situation and questions apply to the Italians.

    So it the UK death rate going to go up?
    I'm not going to answer your further question(s) any more until you answer mine.

    I've put them in bold to help you
    I don't accept that the Spanish will on mass go f*ck this lockdown.
    I thought you were in denial and you've just proved it.

    The population of Spain is 46.5m. What percentage of that would be needed to overrun their current lockdown? Under 5% is 2m people and it would not take much for social media to mobilise this many people and overrun the state. I don't think the Spanish lockdown can last beyond June.
    What is it you think I'm in denial of?
    How society will react to being locked down for more than a couple of months


    You think the reaction of society will be worse to lock down than bodies pilling up?

    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • coopster_the_1st
    coopster_the_1st Posts: 5,158
    tailwindhome said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    tailwindhome said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    tailwindhome said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    tailwindhome said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    tailwindhome said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    The Spanish action was a panic decision as they had lost control of the virus on the mainland and it was the only option they had. They have no plan how to unwind this action taken and are now in a state of kicking the can further down the road.

    In what sense does the UK have control over the virus?

    Why are the options in Spain the only options for Spain?

    The UK does not yet have too many cases for its health system to manage. It has been walking a tightrope by implementing measures when they are required. Shutting down open spaces where people are sensibly social distancing from each other will be hugely negative to everyone in the UK.

    Spain had to take some sort of action but all it has done has increased the amount of time their whole population are going to feel pain from this.

    What will happen when in x months the Spanish on mass go f*ck this lockdown and revolt against what the government wants them to do?
    How long do you think x is(in months)?

    The same situation and questions apply to the Italians.

    So it the UK death rate going to go up?
    I'm not going to answer your further question(s) any more until you answer mine.

    I've put them in bold to help you
    I don't accept that the Spanish will on mass go f*ck this lockdown.
    I thought you were in denial and you've just proved it.

    The population of Spain is 46.5m. What percentage of that would be needed to overrun their current lockdown? Under 5% is 2m people and it would not take much for social media to mobilise this many people and overrun the state. I don't think the Spanish lockdown can last beyond June.
    What is it you think I'm in denial of?
    How society will react to being locked down for more than a couple of months


    You think the reaction of society will be worse to lock down than bodies pilling up?

    Yes, we are talking about more than 99%(society) v the less than 1%(bodies) and that less than 1% is spread out over many months or a few years
  • coopster_the_1st
    coopster_the_1st Posts: 5,158
    Here is a detailed breakdown of the C19 deaths in Italy as of 20th March (3200 deaths)

    https://www.epicentro.iss.it/coronavirus/bollettino/Report-COVID-2019_20_marzo_eng.pdf

  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    coopster_the_1st said:

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    tailwindhome said:

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    tailwindhome said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    The Spanish action was a panic decision as they had lost control of the virus on the mainland and it was the only option they had. They have no plan how to unwind this action taken and are now in a state of kicking the can further down the road.

    In what sense does the UK have control over the virus?

    Why are the options in Spain the only options for Spain?

    The UK does not yet have too many cases for its health system to manage. It has been walking a tightrope by implementing measures when they are required. Shutting down open spaces where people are sensibly social distancing from each other will be hugely negative to everyone in the UK.

    Spain had to take some sort of action but all it has done has increased the amount of time their whole population are going to feel pain from this.

    What will happen when in x months the Spanish on mass go f*ck this lockdown and revolt against what the government wants them to do?
    How long do you think x is(in months)?

    The same situation and questions apply to the Italians.

    So it the UK death rate going to go up?
    I'm not going to answer your further question(s) any more until you answer mine.

    I've put them in bold to help you
    I don't accept that the Spanish will on mass go f*ck this lockdown.
    I thought you were in denial and you've just proved it.

    The population of Spain is 46.5m. What percentage of that would be needed to overrun their current lockdown? Under 5% is 2m people and it would not take much for social media to mobilise this many people and overrun the state. I don't think the Spanish lockdown can last beyond June.
    What is it you think I'm in denial of?
    How society will react to being locked down for more than a couple of months


    You think the reaction of society will be worse to lock down than bodies pilling up?

    Yes, we are talking about more than 99%(society) v the less than 1%(bodies) and that less than 1% is spread out over many months or a few years
    You're batshit mental.
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • diamonddog
    diamonddog Posts: 3,426
    ^^This again.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,151
    edited March 2020
    Please can we stop being discriminative towards bats! Sharks had enough trouble with Jaws. Bat's didn't start this, the selfish non-binary human race did!

  • coopster_the_1st
    coopster_the_1st Posts: 5,158
    tailwindhome said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    tailwindhome said:

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    tailwindhome said:

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    tailwindhome said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    tailwindhome said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    tailwindhome said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    The Spanish action was a panic decision as they had lost control of the virus on the mainland and it was the only option they had. They have no plan how to unwind this action taken and are now in a state of kicking the can further down the road.

    In what sense does the UK have control over the virus?

    Why are the options in Spain the only options for Spain?

    The UK does not yet have too many cases for its health system to manage. It has been walking a tightrope by implementing measures when they are required. Shutting down open spaces where people are sensibly social distancing from each other will be hugely negative to everyone in the UK.

    Spain had to take some sort of action but all it has done has increased the amount of time their whole population are going to feel pain from this.

    What will happen when in x months the Spanish on mass go f*ck this lockdown and revolt against what the government wants them to do?
    How long do you think x is(in months)?

    The same situation and questions apply to the Italians.

    So it the UK death rate going to go up?
    I'm not going to answer your further question(s) any more until you answer mine.

    I've put them in bold to help you
    I don't accept that the Spanish will on mass go f*ck this lockdown.
    I thought you were in denial and you've just proved it.

    The population of Spain is 46.5m. What percentage of that would be needed to overrun their current lockdown? Under 5% is 2m people and it would not take much for social media to mobilise this many people and overrun the state. I don't think the Spanish lockdown can last beyond June.
    What is it you think I'm in denial of?
    How society will react to being locked down for more than a couple of months


    You think the reaction of society will be worse to lock down than bodies pilling up?

    Yes, we are talking about more than 99%(society) v the less than 1%(bodies) and that less than 1% is spread out over many months or a few years
    You're batshit mental.
    We only have to go back to the 2011 London riots as an example. Then we had how society behaved during the petrol strikes and nearly every year when the UK gets hit with snow. Basically people are selfish and will quickly revert to what is in their best interest.

    And that was before the saturation of social media

    You will be locked in your house in denial though because how can this happen when there are a few body bags piling up!
  • diamonddog
    diamonddog Posts: 3,426
    focuszing723 said:

    Please can we stop being discriminative towards bats! Sharks had enough trouble with Jaws. Bat's didn't start this, the selfish non-binary human race did!

    But did they?🤔
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,151
    diamonddog said:

    focuszing723 said:

    Please can we stop being discriminative towards bats! Sharks had enough trouble with Jaws. Bat's didn't start this, the selfish non-binary human race did!

    But did they?🤔
    I wasn't thinking that far ahead to be honest, bygones.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    coopster_the_1st said:

    tailwindhome said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    tailwindhome said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    tailwindhome said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    tailwindhome said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    tailwindhome said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    tailwindhome said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    The Spanish action was a panic decision as they had lost control of the virus on the mainland and it was the only option they had. They have no plan how to unwind this action taken and are now in a state of kicking the can further down the road.

    In what sense does the UK have control over the virus?

    Why are the options in Spain the only options for Spain?

    The UK does not yet have too many cases for its health system to manage. It has been walking a tightrope by implementing measures when they are required. Shutting down open spaces where people are sensibly social distancing from each other will be hugely negative to everyone in the UK.

    Spain had to take some sort of action but all it has done has increased the amount of time their whole population are going to feel pain from this.

    What will happen when in x months the Spanish on mass go f*ck this lockdown and revolt against what the government wants them to do?
    How long do you think x is(in months)?

    The same situation and questions apply to the Italians.

    So it the UK death rate going to go up?
    I'm not going to answer your further question(s) any more until you answer mine.

    I've put them in bold to help you
    I don't accept that the Spanish will on mass go f*ck this lockdown.
    I thought you were in denial and you've just proved it.

    The population of Spain is 46.5m. What percentage of that would be needed to overrun their current lockdown? Under 5% is 2m people and it would not take much for social media to mobilise this many people and overrun the state. I don't think the Spanish lockdown can last beyond June.
    What is it you think I'm in denial of?
    How society will react to being locked down for more than a couple of months


    You think the reaction of society will be worse to lock down than bodies pilling up?

    Yes, we are talking about more than 99%(society) v the less than 1%(bodies) and that less than 1% is spread out over many months or a few years
    You're batshit mental.
    We only have to go back to the 2011 London riots as an example. Then we had how society behaved during the petrol strikes and nearly every year when the UK gets hit with snow. Basically people are selfish and will quickly revert to what is in their best interest.

    And that was before the saturation of social media

    You will be locked in your house in denial though because how can this happen when there are a few body bags piling up!
    Can you explain what that last sentence means?



    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • coopster_the_1st
    coopster_the_1st Posts: 5,158
    tailwindhome said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    tailwindhome said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    tailwindhome said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    tailwindhome said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    tailwindhome said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    tailwindhome said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    tailwindhome said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    The Spanish action was a panic decision as they had lost control of the virus on the mainland and it was the only option they had. They have no plan how to unwind this action taken and are now in a state of kicking the can further down the road.

    In what sense does the UK have control over the virus?

    Why are the options in Spain the only options for Spain?

    The UK does not yet have too many cases for its health system to manage. It has been walking a tightrope by implementing measures when they are required. Shutting down open spaces where people are sensibly social distancing from each other will be hugely negative to everyone in the UK.

    Spain had to take some sort of action but all it has done has increased the amount of time their whole population are going to feel pain from this.

    What will happen when in x months the Spanish on mass go f*ck this lockdown and revolt against what the government wants them to do?
    How long do you think x is(in months)?

    The same situation and questions apply to the Italians.

    So it the UK death rate going to go up?
    I'm not going to answer your further question(s) any more until you answer mine.

    I've put them in bold to help you
    I don't accept that the Spanish will on mass go f*ck this lockdown.
    I thought you were in denial and you've just proved it.

    The population of Spain is 46.5m. What percentage of that would be needed to overrun their current lockdown? Under 5% is 2m people and it would not take much for social media to mobilise this many people and overrun the state. I don't think the Spanish lockdown can last beyond June.
    What is it you think I'm in denial of?
    How society will react to being locked down for more than a couple of months


    You think the reaction of society will be worse to lock down than bodies pilling up?

    Yes, we are talking about more than 99%(society) v the less than 1%(bodies) and that less than 1% is spread out over many months or a few years
    You're batshit mental.
    We only have to go back to the 2011 London riots as an example. Then we had how society behaved during the petrol strikes and nearly every year when the UK gets hit with snow. Basically people are selfish and will quickly revert to what is in their best interest.

    And that was before the saturation of social media

    You will be locked in your house in denial though because how can this happen when there are a few body bags piling up!
    Can you explain what that last sentence means?



    It means your state of denial
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    coopster_the_1st said:

    tailwindhome said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    tailwindhome said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    tailwindhome said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    tailwindhome said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    tailwindhome said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    tailwindhome said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    tailwindhome said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    The Spanish action was a panic decision as they had lost control of the virus on the mainland and it was the only option they had. They have no plan how to unwind this action taken and are now in a state of kicking the can further down the road.

    In what sense does the UK have control over the virus?

    Why are the options in Spain the only options for Spain?

    The UK does not yet have too many cases for its health system to manage. It has been walking a tightrope by implementing measures when they are required. Shutting down open spaces where people are sensibly social distancing from each other will be hugely negative to everyone in the UK.

    Spain had to take some sort of action but all it has done has increased the amount of time their whole population are going to feel pain from this.

    What will happen when in x months the Spanish on mass go f*ck this lockdown and revolt against what the government wants them to do?
    How long do you think x is(in months)?

    The same situation and questions apply to the Italians.

    So it the UK death rate going to go up?
    I'm not going to answer your further question(s) any more until you answer mine.

    I've put them in bold to help you
    I don't accept that the Spanish will on mass go f*ck this lockdown.
    I thought you were in denial and you've just proved it.

    The population of Spain is 46.5m. What percentage of that would be needed to overrun their current lockdown? Under 5% is 2m people and it would not take much for social media to mobilise this many people and overrun the state. I don't think the Spanish lockdown can last beyond June.
    What is it you think I'm in denial of?
    How society will react to being locked down for more than a couple of months


    You think the reaction of society will be worse to lock down than bodies pilling up?

    Yes, we are talking about more than 99%(society) v the less than 1%(bodies) and that less than 1% is spread out over many months or a few years
    You're batshit mental.
    We only have to go back to the 2011 London riots as an example. Then we had how society behaved during the petrol strikes and nearly every year when the UK gets hit with snow. Basically people are selfish and will quickly revert to what is in their best interest.

    And that was before the saturation of social media

    You will be locked in your house in denial though because how can this happen when there are a few body bags piling up!
    Can you explain what that last sentence means?



    It means your state of denial
    No, literally can you explain what it means.

    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • diamonddog
    diamonddog Posts: 3,426
    Brecon Beacons today via BBC, says it all really.

  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,151


    Snowdon too!
  • coopster_the_1st
    coopster_the_1st Posts: 5,158
    focuszing723 said:



    Snowdon too!

    Snowdonia National Park had its busiest ever day yesterday (Saturday).

    And yet some on here are in complete denial and think the public will adhere to a long UK shutdown because of a relatively few body bags.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    edited March 2020
    coopster_the_1st said:

    And yet some on here are in complete denial and think the public will adhere to a long UK shutdown because of a relatively few body bags.


    How many do you think is relatively few?

    I think the public will adhere to a long UK shutdown to reduce the number of body bags

    Maybe you're right Coop

    Maybe the UK public aren't willing to stay in the house and watch TV to stop 250,000 dying.

    Seems mad to me, but then, I've overestimated the British public before.



    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,330
    tailwindhome said:



    Maybe you're right Coop

    Maybe the UK public aren't willing to stay in the house and watch TV to stop 250,000 dying.

    Seems mad to me, but then, I've overestimated the British public before.

    Coop's 1% figure puts the body bag count at 660,000.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • coopster_the_1st
    coopster_the_1st Posts: 5,158
    tailwindhome said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    And yet some on here are in complete denial and think the public will adhere to a long UK shutdown because of a relatively few body bags.


    How many do you think is relatively few?

    I think the public will adhere to a long UK shutdown to reduce the number of body bags

    Maybe you're right Coop

    Maybe the UK public aren't willing to stay in the house and watch TV to stop 250,000 dying.

    Seems mad to me, but then, I've overestimated the British public before.




    Probably around 1000 a day at its peak. This is a relative few in population terms and is still below the daily number of deaths that happened every day before C19.

    Way more than a relative few are still igoring the 'only essential travel' advice.

  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,330
    A summary of the current status in Coop's world.
    1. We are to heed advice.
    2. We are not to damage the economy.

    The two are incompatible.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    surrey_commuter said:

    pblakeney said:

    I am confused by the use of the word "if" in any discussions on what is going to happen.
    If you want to know what is going to happen in the next one to two weeks then simply look at the news today from Italy, Spain and France.
    It doesn't take a genius to see that we are following them.

    The general consensus on this thread is that there is nothing to be learnt from other countries and that poor old Boris is working is a bubble supported only by case if models.

    If you disagree it is because of personal animosity, though I suspect patriotism will rear it’s ugly head.
    Come on SC that’s not fair. Quite a few of us are agreeing with you.
    _
  • coopster_the_1st
    coopster_the_1st Posts: 5,158
    pblakeney said:

    tailwindhome said:



    Maybe you're right Coop

    Maybe the UK public aren't willing to stay in the house and watch TV to stop 250,000 dying.

    Seems mad to me, but then, I've overestimated the British public before.

    Coop's 1% figure puts the body bag count at 660,000.
    Stop making up fake figures and things I did not say. I said less than 1%.

    If you want a figure I'll guess, and it is purely a guesstimate at 250k spread over an 24 month period.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    coopster_the_1st said:

    tailwindhome said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    tailwindhome said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    tailwindhome said:

    coopster_the_1st said:

    The Spanish action was a panic decision as they had lost control of the virus on the mainland and it was the only option they had. They have no plan how to unwind this action taken and are now in a state of kicking the can further down the road.

    In what sense does the UK have control over the virus?

    Why are the options in Spain the only options for Spain?

    The UK does not yet have too many cases for its health system to manage. It has been walking a tightrope by implementing measures when they are required. Shutting down open spaces where people are sensibly social distancing from each other will be hugely negative to everyone in the UK.

    Spain had to take some sort of action but all it has done has increased the amount of time their whole population are going to feel pain from this.

    What will happen when in x months the Spanish on mass go f*ck this lockdown and revolt against what the government wants them to do?
    How long do you think x is(in months)?

    The same situation and questions apply to the Italians.

    So it the UK death rate going to go up?
    I'm not going to answer your further question(s) any more until you answer mine.

    I've put them in bold to help you
    I don't accept that the Spanish will on mass go f*ck this lockdown.
    I thought you were in denial and you've just proved it.

    The population of Spain is 46.5m. What percentage of that would be needed to overrun their current lockdown? Under 5% is 2m people and it would not take much for social media to mobilise this many people and overrun the state. I don't think the Spanish lockdown can last beyond June.
    Erm, how long has Spain been a proper democracy?

    If people don’t behave, troops will get stuck in.
    _
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,919
    In some rare positve news it sounds like a consortium of manufacturers will shortly be able to make 1000 new ventilators a day. They've solved the battery problem by removing the need for electics.

  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,330
    edited March 2020
    coopster_the_1st said:

    pblakeney said:

    tailwindhome said:



    Maybe you're right Coop

    Maybe the UK public aren't willing to stay in the house and watch TV to stop 250,000 dying.

    Seems mad to me, but then, I've overestimated the British public before.

    Coop's 1% figure puts the body bag count at 660,000.
    Stop making up fake figures and things I did not say. I said less than 1%.

    If you want a figure I'll guess, and it is purely a guesstimate at 250k spread over an 24 month period.
    If you meant less than 0.4% then you should have said less than 0.4%.
    And that is not your guess, that is an official projection. Which is subject to change.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,104
    edited March 2020
    I tend to agree with Coops that people are not going to voluntarily stay indoors indefinitely.

    That means it'll need to be enforced - whilst the threat of arrest may work with a middle aged middle class person there are going to be plenty where it creates conflict between them and whoever is enforcing it.

    We've seen before that an incident in inner city London can spiral out of control and if the police are short handed due to illness that could be tricky. If they are going to get the army involved then God help us.

    [Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    edited March 2020
    kingstonian said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    kingstongraham said:

    That article goes on to say that Cummings realised that his views about letting the old just die were actually horrific when the numbers were presented. He then moved to being in favour of locking down, but Boris bottled that.

    They've cost lives by waiting. How many, we'll see in 10 days.

    Welcome to my enraged world.

    The consensus on here is that Boris is a saint and has handled this better than anybody else. He has got every decision spot on and prepared properly.

    If you disagree it will because your mind is twisted by your hatred of Boris.


    I’m somewhere in between. The guy is certainly not a saint, but he also isn’t an evil tyrant that is only taking decisions based on how he perceives they’ll influence poll ratings.

    Very tough job at the moment, much like when George Bush was US President at the time of 9/11.
    I think that's the majority view to be honest. Certainly my own view is that he has been trying to follow the advice he is being given by experts.

    Edit - I will admit though that I think they could have learned from Italy over the past week or so especially as it's inevitable we'll be going down that route very soon. I assume they wanted to get the financial measures in place first in the hope of getting better buy in when they do announce a full lockdown.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    TheBigBean said:

    In some rare positve news it sounds like a consortium of manufacturers will shortly be able to make 1000 new ventilators a day. They've solved the battery problem by removing the need for electics.

    Now just to fill the excel centre with ventilators and beds.
    _
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    rick_chasey said:

    TheBigBean said:

    In some rare positve news it sounds like a consortium of manufacturers will shortly be able to make 1000 new ventilators a day. They've solved the battery problem by removing the need for electics.

    Now just to fill the excel centre with ventilators and beds.
    I said it before, the hero of this movie is the guy who figures out how to make a ventilator out of plastic tubes and duct tape.

    Maybe they've done it
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    They still need operators, and protective equipment for them. Apparently the fashion industry is looking at the latter.

    My earlier Excel centre idea also involved converting black cabs to ambulances. Not heard any chat about that.

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