The big Coronavirus thread
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No cycling for me is no transport. With my income crimped I cant afford to fuel my car.www.thecycleclinic.co.uk0
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I'd have thought that no cycling means no driving either in any case.thecycleclinic said:No cycling for me is no transport. With my income crimped I cant afford to fuel my car.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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Some people are able to see the bigger picture.tailwindhome said:
Quite simply, without the economy there is no NHS
Piers Morgan should be using his platform for good rather than letting his over inflated ego fuel panic and anxiety0 -
thecycleclinic said:
Shutting down the country will.lead to a depression. Landlords still need to be paid and without trade shops go under. Unless governments are willing to pay all business overheads there wont be much retail left in 12 months as that's the time scale of this crisis at least.
I get trying to flatten the curve so the health service has a chance of coping. Sadly the upshot is depression that is so ruinous that the poltical ramifications of that across the globe will be just a dangerous as this virus. Governments will fall and what takes there place could be anger.
Also the endgame is an effective vaccine but it pure speculation when that will be avilable.
I think this is exactly the issue that many of us are struggling with. The enforced lockdown that is surely coming could go on for some weeks and who knows how we are going to come out the other side of it.Bianchi ImpulsoBMC Teammachine SLR02 01Trek Domane AL3“When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. “ ~H.G. Wells Edit - "Unless it's a BMX"0 -
Deaths will fuel the panic and anxiety much more than his ego is capable of.coopster_the_1st said:
Piers Morgan should be using his platform for good rather than letting his over inflated ego fuel panic and anxiety
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Lockdown will be measured in months not weeks.crescent said:thecycleclinic said:Shutting down the country will.lead to a depression. Landlords still need to be paid and without trade shops go under. Unless governments are willing to pay all business overheads there wont be much retail left in 12 months as that's the time scale of this crisis at least.
I get trying to flatten the curve so the health service has a chance of coping. Sadly the upshot is depression that is so ruinous that the poltical ramifications of that across the globe will be just a dangerous as this virus. Governments will fall and what takes there place could be anger.
Also the endgame is an effective vaccine but it pure speculation when that will be avilable.
I think this is exactly the issue that many of us are struggling with. The enforced lockdown that is surely coming could go on for some weeks and who knows how we are going to come out the other side of it.
I really don’t see any benefit to delaying it by a few days. Logic suggests that starting days earlier will be far more productive than any days on the end.
Sunday Times getting critical of the lack of preparation.0 -
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Many still believe any lockdown will be a few weeks. They have a shock coming when it will be a few months at a minimum.
The real question is once we are in lock down how do we start reversing it?
This is what I am struggling with.
The only option I can see is when an immunity test is working, that those who are immune because of past infection will be allowed to return to normality by carrying some sort of ID card. However this risks a huge social backlash because of a 'them and us' attitude0 -
Wait until you have resources to test appropriate numbers and then reverse the process.coopster_the_1st said:Many still believe any lockdown will be a few weeks. They have a shock coming when it will be a few months at a minimum.
The real question is once we are in lock down how do we start reversing it?
This is what I am struggling with.
The only option I can see is when an immunity test is working, that those who are immune because of past infection will be allowed to return to normality by carrying some sort of ID card. However this risks a huge social backlash because of a 'them and us' attitude
I expect the scientists to have mitigating solutions in a couple of months.0 -
I don't think the unwinding of a lock down has been thought through.surrey_commuter said:
Wait until you have resources to test appropriate numbers and then reverse the process.coopster_the_1st said:Many still believe any lockdown will be a few weeks. They have a shock coming when it will be a few months at a minimum.
The real question is once we are in lock down how do we start reversing it?
This is what I am struggling with.
The only option I can see is when an immunity test is working, that those who are immune because of past infection will be allowed to return to normality by carrying some sort of ID card. However this risks a huge social backlash because of a 'them and us' attitude
I expect the scientists to have mitigating solutions in a couple of months.
Eg if you say pubs can open on 1st July you will get 30+ million people going to the pub that day thus undoing the past 3 months of lockdown0 -
I don't understand why people think wearing a paper face mask is going to protect them. Viruses are tiny, face masks have pores which are visible to the naked eye. I can't find any info on the size of the covid virus, but viruses vary between 20 nanometers and 500 nanometers in size. That's between .00002mm and .0005mm. It's like expecting to stop a grain of sand with a basketball hoop, and that's before you realise that there is a gap around the sides of face masks you can get your finger through.0
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Sovereignty > The Economy >The old and the ill
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The slope of the US line is ominoustailwindhome said:
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
What if the grain of sand is being transported on a basket ball. Does that help?oblongomaculatus said:I don't understand why people think wearing a paper face mask is going to protect them. Viruses are tiny, face masks have pores which are visible to the naked eye. I can't find any info on the size of the covid virus, but viruses vary between 20 nanometers and 500 nanometers in size. That's between .00002mm and .0005mm. It's like expecting to stop a grain of sand with a basketball hoop, and that's before you realise that there is a gap around the sides of face masks you can get your finger through.
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The link I posted about an hour ago addresses this point. Doesn’t provide a definitive answer but adds both context and basic science.oblongomaculatus said:I don't understand why people think wearing a paper face mask is going to protect them. Viruses are tiny, face masks have pores which are visible to the naked eye. I can't find any info on the size of the covid virus, but viruses vary between 20 nanometers and 500 nanometers in size. That's between .00002mm and .0005mm. It's like expecting to stop a grain of sand with a basketball hoop, and that's before you realise that there is a gap around the sides of face masks you can get your finger through.
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A great thread on post C19 immunity
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Masks help protect others from catching the virus from those infected.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0
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That's an interesting (and scary) piece, thanks. It sounds like he's talking about one particular type of mask. I think the ones you see people wearing in the street are likely to be of a lesser quality. When I made the basketball analogy it was based on a look at the table on this sitemorstar said:
The link I posted about an hour ago addresses this point. Doesn’t provide a definitive answer but adds both context and basic science.oblongomaculatus said:I don't understand why people think wearing a paper face mask is going to protect them. Viruses are tiny, face masks have pores which are visible to the naked eye. I can't find any info on the size of the covid virus, but viruses vary between 20 nanometers and 500 nanometers in size. That's between .00002mm and .0005mm. It's like expecting to stop a grain of sand with a basketball hoop, and that's before you realise that there is a gap around the sides of face masks you can get your finger through.
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Face-Mask-Material-Characteristics-thickness-weight-pore-size-Resistance-to-Blood_tbl2_242297437
which shows the pore size of several grades of mask in microns (a micron being 1000 nm). I'd guess masks are better for reducing the number of virus particles expelled when an infected person coughs than for stopping someone else inhaling them.
edit: The figures on virus size come from here,
https://www.britannica.com/science/virus/Size-and-shape
which suggest that even the largest are much smaller than Larry Brilliant is saying.0 -
TheBigBean said:
What if the grain of sand is being transported on a basket ball. Does that help?oblongomaculatus said:I don't understand why people think wearing a paper face mask is going to protect them. Viruses are tiny, face masks have pores which are visible to the naked eye. I can't find any info on the size of the covid virus, but viruses vary between 20 nanometers and 500 nanometers in size. That's between .00002mm and .0005mm. It's like expecting to stop a grain of sand with a basketball hoop, and that's before you realise that there is a gap around the sides of face masks you can get your finger through.
Ha! It would still go through, otherwise all basketball games would end 0-0.0 -
Does wearing a mask do any harm?DeVlaeminck said:Masks help protect others from catching the virus from those infected.
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Yes at the very least they'll disrupt the air flow from the breath/cough/sneeze that carries the virus particles further and whilst they may be porous they'll catch some of the particles.oblongomaculatus said:
That's an interesting (and scary) piece, thanks. It sounds like he's talking about one particular type of mask. I think the ones you see people wearing in the street are likely to be of a lesser quality. When I made the basketball analogy it was based on a look at the table on this sitemorstar said:
The link I posted about an hour ago addresses this point. Doesn’t provide a definitive answer but adds both context and basic science.oblongomaculatus said:I don't understand why people think wearing a paper face mask is going to protect them. Viruses are tiny, face masks have pores which are visible to the naked eye. I can't find any info on the size of the covid virus, but viruses vary between 20 nanometers and 500 nanometers in size. That's between .00002mm and .0005mm. It's like expecting to stop a grain of sand with a basketball hoop, and that's before you realise that there is a gap around the sides of face masks you can get your finger through.
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Face-Mask-Material-Characteristics-thickness-weight-pore-size-Resistance-to-Blood_tbl2_242297437
which shows the pore size of several grades of mask in microns (a micron being 1000 nm). I'd guess masks are better for reducing the number of virus particles expelled when an infected person coughs than for stopping someone else inhaling them.
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It would if the people in the front line can't get hold of them because of Covidiotitous.Charlie_Croker said:
Does wearing a mask do any harm?DeVlaeminck said:Masks help protect others from catching the virus from those infected.
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Indeed, it wouldn't eliminate the risk, but it would reduce it. It turns out it was a good analogy. That's the entire point of social distancing and closing everything.oblongomaculatus said:TheBigBean said:
What if the grain of sand is being transported on a basket ball. Does that help?oblongomaculatus said:I don't understand why people think wearing a paper face mask is going to protect them. Viruses are tiny, face masks have pores which are visible to the naked eye. I can't find any info on the size of the covid virus, but viruses vary between 20 nanometers and 500 nanometers in size. That's between .00002mm and .0005mm. It's like expecting to stop a grain of sand with a basketball hoop, and that's before you realise that there is a gap around the sides of face masks you can get your finger through.
Ha! It would still go through, otherwise all basketball games would end 0-0.0 -
That article goes on to say that Cummings realised that his views about letting the old just die were actually horrific when the numbers were presented. He then moved to being in favour of locking down, but Boris bottled that.
They've cost lives by waiting. How many, we'll see in 10 days.0 -
Welcome to my enraged world.kingstongraham said:That article goes on to say that Cummings realised that his views about letting the old just die were actually horrific when the numbers were presented. He then moved to being in favour of locking down, but Boris bottled that.
They've cost lives by waiting. How many, we'll see in 10 days.
The consensus on here is that Boris is a saint and has handled this better than anybody else. He has got every decision spot on and prepared properly.
If you disagree it will because your mind is twisted by your hatred of Boris.0 -
He’s a eugenicist. He doesn’t care about bodies. He cares about the polling.kingstongraham said:That article goes on to say that Cummings realised that his views about letting the old just die were actually horrific when the numbers were presented. He then moved to being in favour of locking down, but Boris bottled that.
They've cost lives by waiting. How many, we'll see in 10 days.0 -
It is, and it's because testing was so (deliberately) restricted early on, and numbers were massively suppressed in order for them to match Trump's 'Democratic hoax' BS. (In other words, the line is ramping up so sharply because they are only just starting to discover how widespread it is.)tailwindhome said:
Now the testing is ramping up, particularly in places like NY, the true extent of the shïtshow that has been brewing out of sight is going to be come clearer and clearer, and deaths that were being ascribed to things like seasonal flu will be included in the figures. It's going to be catastrophic, especially given that the politicians are still arguing over whether people should pay for tests and hospitalisation.0 -
And if he was playing this sort of politics he is removing a large number of Tory voters. It is moronic to think this.rick_chasey said:
He’s a eugenicist. He doesn’t care about bodies. He cares about the polling.kingstongraham said:That article goes on to say that Cummings realised that his views about letting the old just die were actually horrific when the numbers were presented. He then moved to being in favour of locking down, but Boris bottled that.
They've cost lives by waiting. How many, we'll see in 10 days.
You and Berkshire_Commuter are just letting your Brexit Derangement Syndrome dictate how you view the governments handling of this pandemic.0
