The big Coronavirus thread
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Can't make up my mind about the people getting cash in hand.rick_chasey said:Shout out to the wage guarantee going through paye.
Those chancers getting paid via dividends through company structures get sfa.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Hotel shut it's doors today.
Staff having a 'virus party' tonight.
I don't have any words for that.“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
If bonuses are not related to performance I see no reason why they aren't simply incorporated into salary. Genuinely curious.rick_chasey said:
Yeah because salaries are...pblakeney said:
I think the bonuses are sometimes arbitrary when they should be linked to performance.rick_chasey said:Why the inverted commas?
Back on topic, bonuses will not be included in the bailout.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Are you NFI?tailwindhome said:Hotel shut it's doors today.
Staff having a 'virus party' tonight.
I don't have any words for that.0 -
Treat it like variable pay.pblakeney said:
If bonuses are not related to performance I see no reason why they aren't simply incorporated into salary. Genuinely curious.rick_chasey said:
Yeah because salaries are...pblakeney said:
I think the bonuses are sometimes arbitrary when they should be linked to performance.rick_chasey said:Why the inverted commas?
Back on topic, bonuses will not be included in the bailout.
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worse. it was the first one i was invited to.TheBigBean said:
Are you NFI?tailwindhome said:Hotel shut it's doors today.
Staff having a 'virus party' tonight.
I don't have any words for that.“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!1 -
That'll be me then. Not sure I count as a chancer, I'd rather be on a salary but it was the only way a new start company could afford to get me in i.e. they were able to ensure my take home matched my previous job's salary at a lower cost to them, I gain nothing other than I was able to move to company that offered a far better work / life balance and better business ethics. Maybe the can move me to PAYE as it would be better for them if business does crash.rick_chasey said:Shout out to the wage guarantee going through paye.
Those chancers getting paid via dividends through company structures get sfa.0 -
I'd have thought that's pretty obvious. There are all sorts of reasons why a business might want to give one-off payments to one or more staff without wanting to revise their basic salary. That's a separate issue from whether it's run through PAYE or some other means.pblakeney said:
If bonuses are not related to performance I see no reason why they aren't simply incorporated into salary. Genuinely curious.rick_chasey said:
Yeah because salaries are...pblakeney said:
I think the bonuses are sometimes arbitrary when they should be linked to performance.rick_chasey said:Why the inverted commas?
Back on topic, bonuses will not be included in the bailout.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
Smiths medical sharing their IP to let others produce their ventilator.
That’s a positive story.1 -
So food rationing.
Due to the fact there isn’t actually a real underlying shortage, the market is being left to manage rationing.
Not quite sure how I feel about that.
Whilst technically accurate, do the retailers have the wherewithal to get on top of this without legislation? Personally, I’m not convinced they do.
E.g. limit a moron to one pack of pack of toilet rolls. They can either send the family independently to buy 2,3,4 or more packs, or drive to each supermarket in a certain radius and repeat. Sure, it’s a pain but shopping is a pain full stop in the current climate. I have to go to 3 or 4 shops to complete a normal shop.
Unless you have a robust control mechanism, the shops can only make hoarding less convenient.0 -
Surely the fact that over a sustained period the market can not meet demand then there is a shortage?morstar said:So food rationing.
Due to the fact there isn’t actually a real underlying shortage, the market is being left to manage rationing.
Not quite sure how I feel about that.
Whilst technically accurate, do the retailers have the wherewithal to get on top of this without legislation? Personally, I’m not convinced they do.
E.g. limit a moron to one pack of pack of toilet rolls. They can either send the family independently to buy 2,3,4 or more packs, or drive to each supermarket in a certain radius and repeat. Sure, it’s a pain but shopping is a pain full stop in the current climate. I have to go to 3 or 4 shops to complete a normal shop.
Unless you have a robust control mechanism, the shops can only make hoarding less convenient.0 -
I guess we’re in agreement.surrey_commuter said:
Surely the fact that over a sustained period the market can not meet demand then there is a shortage?morstar said:So food rationing.
Due to the fact there isn’t actually a real underlying shortage, the market is being left to manage rationing.
Not quite sure how I feel about that.
Whilst technically accurate, do the retailers have the wherewithal to get on top of this without legislation? Personally, I’m not convinced they do.
E.g. limit a moron to one pack of pack of toilet rolls. They can either send the family independently to buy 2,3,4 or more packs, or drive to each supermarket in a certain radius and repeat. Sure, it’s a pain but shopping is a pain full stop in the current climate. I have to go to 3 or 4 shops to complete a normal shop.
Unless you have a robust control mechanism, the shops can only make hoarding less convenient.
The government is not.
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Big UK retailers have started to close outlets, smaller shops will soon follow.
If the UK follows on from Spain etc then only essential items will be available for purchase in the big supermarkets so forget about any diy bits you need to get.0 -
Assume France so everything shut except, petrol, groceries and tabac.diamonddog said:Big UK retailers have started to close outlets, smaller shops will soon follow.
If the UK follows on from Spain etc then only essential items will be available for purchase in the big supermarkets so forget about any diy bits you need to get.
Round here the biggest problem is meat - queues look like Xmas Eve0 -
As a matter of interest are these changes of plan every 48 hours part of the strategy or have HMG admitted things aren’t progressing quite as they hoped?
Saw a scary graph earlier that showed us tracking Italy, just 14 days behind.0 -
Not at all sure you've ever understood HMG policy even though it has been explained numerous times.surrey_commuter said:As a matter of interest are these changes of plan every 48 hours part of the strategy or have HMG admitted things aren’t progressing quite as they hoped?
Saw a scary graph earlier that showed us tracking Italy, just 14 days behind.
You are utterly wrong to suggest there is any change of policy every 48 hours, and if you actually had listened and absorbed what has been said, you would know this is a journey to full lock down, and THAT is what the policy has ALWAYS been.
But you are using your hatred of the PM to blind yourself.0 -
And yes, with today's death toll announcement we are bang on the same number of deaths that Italy had 14 days ago, and this weekend lots of Londoners have fled the capital....
Full lockdown will come in early next week.0 -
Given covid 19 is a respiratory disease, and given everyone is in the mood to ban stuff, why has no one suggested a tobacco and/or smoking ban yet?1
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coopster_the_1st said:
As we should all have a lot more time on our hands watch this hour presentation by CMO Prof Chris Whitty from 2018. I'm sure this will go viral soon anyway.
This is why we are following the science. This man and his team have huge knowledge of endemics, epidemics and pandemics and the best way to deal with them when they happen.
https://youtu.be/rn55z95L1h8
Thanks for posting that presentation, loads of interesting insights within it.0 -
14 X higher rate of progression to serious viral pneumonia according to one study...mrfpb said:Given covid 19 is a respiratory disease, and given everyone is in the mood to ban stuff, why has no one suggested a tobacco and/or smoking ban yet?
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Hopefully, there will come a point some time soon when even the morons will realise that they don't need to buy any more toilet roll.morstar said:
I guess we’re in agreement.surrey_commuter said:
Surely the fact that over a sustained period the market can not meet demand then there is a shortage?morstar said:So food rationing.
Due to the fact there isn’t actually a real underlying shortage, the market is being left to manage rationing.
Not quite sure how I feel about that.
Whilst technically accurate, do the retailers have the wherewithal to get on top of this without legislation? Personally, I’m not convinced they do.
E.g. limit a moron to one pack of pack of toilet rolls. They can either send the family independently to buy 2,3,4 or more packs, or drive to each supermarket in a certain radius and repeat. Sure, it’s a pain but shopping is a pain full stop in the current climate. I have to go to 3 or 4 shops to complete a normal shop.
Unless you have a robust control mechanism, the shops can only make hoarding less convenient.
The government is not.0 -
I understand Govt policy thanks, I just wondered whether the speed with which we are moving to lockdown suggests they realised they have fvcked up.Dorset_Boy said:
Not at all sure you've ever understood HMG policy even though it has been explained numerous times.surrey_commuter said:As a matter of interest are these changes of plan every 48 hours part of the strategy or have HMG admitted things aren’t progressing quite as they hoped?
Saw a scary graph earlier that showed us tracking Italy, just 14 days behind.
You are utterly wrong to suggest there is any change of policy every 48 hours, and if you actually had listened and absorbed what has been said, you would know this is a journey to full lock down, and THAT is what the policy has ALWAYS been.
But you are using your hatred of the PM to blind yourself.
You seem reassured that we are mirroring Italy.0 -
bompington said:
14 X higher rate of progression to serious viral pneumonia according to one study...mrfpb said:Given covid 19 is a respiratory disease, and given everyone is in the mood to ban stuff, why has no one suggested a tobacco and/or smoking ban yet?
If they banned smoking tonight it would not improve anybody’s chances.
To get all Coopstery, smokers pay a lot of tax and die a relatively quick and early death so making them a fiscally responsible citizen.0 -
You clearly don't understand HMG policy judging by your postings.surrey_commuter said:
I understand Govt policy thanks, I just wondered whether the speed with which we are moving to lockdown suggests they realised they have fvcked up.Dorset_Boy said:
Not at all sure you've ever understood HMG policy even though it has been explained numerous times.surrey_commuter said:As a matter of interest are these changes of plan every 48 hours part of the strategy or have HMG admitted things aren’t progressing quite as they hoped?
Saw a scary graph earlier that showed us tracking Italy, just 14 days behind.
You are utterly wrong to suggest there is any change of policy every 48 hours, and if you actually had listened and absorbed what has been said, you would know this is a journey to full lock down, and THAT is what the policy has ALWAYS been.
But you are using your hatred of the PM to blind yourself.
You seem reassured that we are mirroring Italy.
Encouraging and coercing responsible behaviour was always stage 1, and compulsion was always the next stage. We've have the first stage during the week, but lots of young and old were not willing to cooperate, so stage 2a was announced last night, and stage 2b will come in early next week with all not essential retail outlets being closed etc.0 -
A brief scan of the soshul meejah plus being party to a rant by a local in the local shop for local people about these 'others' comin' round 'ere, buying all our bog rolls, didn't oughter be allowed... etc etc Londoners heading for Cornwall, caravaners heading into less populous parts of Scotland...
So... given how far the dUK has changed in a week, how long before we have civil disturbance followed by full lockdown and martial law stylee troops on the streets backing up the understaffed by Tory cuts police forces?
Over the top hyperbole? 10 days ago I was still heading for Valencia next weekend. Bleepin' weird days.0 -
Have you considered it could be a strategy from the behavioural psycologists to ramp up pressure on people to comply?surrey_commuter said:
I understand Govt policy thanks, I just wondered whether the speed with which we are moving to lockdown suggests they realised they have fvcked up.Dorset_Boy said:
Not at all sure you've ever understood HMG policy even though it has been explained numerous times.surrey_commuter said:As a matter of interest are these changes of plan every 48 hours part of the strategy or have HMG admitted things aren’t progressing quite as they hoped?
Saw a scary graph earlier that showed us tracking Italy, just 14 days behind.
You are utterly wrong to suggest there is any change of policy every 48 hours, and if you actually had listened and absorbed what has been said, you would know this is a journey to full lock down, and THAT is what the policy has ALWAYS been.
But you are using your hatred of the PM to blind yourself.
You seem reassured that we are mirroring Italy.0 -
Our village has two stores which have been targeted by people from towns (the closest is 20 miles away) now that their supermarkets are bare.
Apparently, two couples came over today in separate cars, one did a huge shop in the first store, while the other couple did a huge shop in the other.
Then they swapped over, first couple, huge shop in second store, second couple, huge shop in first store.
Greedy b@rstards!0 -
Those are policy tools not policies.Dorset_Boy said:
You clearly don't understand HMG policy judging by your postings.surrey_commuter said:
I understand Govt policy thanks, I just wondered whether the speed with which we are moving to lockdown suggests they realised they have fvcked up.Dorset_Boy said:
Not at all sure you've ever understood HMG policy even though it has been explained numerous times.surrey_commuter said:As a matter of interest are these changes of plan every 48 hours part of the strategy or have HMG admitted things aren’t progressing quite as they hoped?
Saw a scary graph earlier that showed us tracking Italy, just 14 days behind.
You are utterly wrong to suggest there is any change of policy every 48 hours, and if you actually had listened and absorbed what has been said, you would know this is a journey to full lock down, and THAT is what the policy has ALWAYS been.
But you are using your hatred of the PM to blind yourself.
You seem reassured that we are mirroring Italy.
Encouraging and coercing responsible behaviour was always stage 1, and compulsion was always the next stage. We've have the first stage during the week, but lots of young and old were not willing to cooperate, so stage 2a was announced last night, and stage 2b will come in early next week with all not essential retail outlets being closed etc.
The policy was to manage the flow of victims into the NHS, this meant taking a relaxed approach to it’s initial spread and then clamping down to maintain the optimum flow of patients through the NHS.
Are you happy that this policy has potentially left us in the same boat as Italy?0 -
I've seen a FB post from a Cornwall doctor pointing out that Cornwall has a very low ICU bed per capita compared to London, so people are better off getting ill in there first home, rather than their holiday home.orraloon said:A brief scan of the soshul meejah plus being party to a rant by a local in the local shop for local people about these 'others' comin' round 'ere, buying all our bog rolls, didn't oughter be allowed... etc etc Londoners heading for Cornwall, caravaners heading into less populous parts of Scotland...
So... given how far the dUK has changed in a week, how long before we have civil disturbance followed by full lockdown and martial law stylee troops on the streets backing up the understaffed by Tory cuts police forces?
Over the top hyperbole? 10 days ago I was still heading for Valencia next weekend. Bleepin' weird days.0 -
Even the first week smoke free has health benefits - and will reduce risk of respiratory infections.surrey_commuter said:bompington said:
14 X higher rate of progression to serious viral pneumonia according to one study...mrfpb said:Given covid 19 is a respiratory disease, and given everyone is in the mood to ban stuff, why has no one suggested a tobacco and/or smoking ban yet?
If they banned smoking tonight it would not improve anybody’s chances.
To get all Coopstery, smokers pay a lot of tax and die a relatively quick and early death so making them a fiscally responsible citizen.0
