The big Coronavirus thread

ddraver

Apparently Verbier - where I live - has become a noted infection cell. I suspect this is true for all ski resorts mind. I saw an article that said something like 10 - 15% of Norwegian cases can be traced to a single Austrian Apres Ski bar...

Unfortunately, my ACL reconstruction on Monday has been cancelled which is a pain in the...knee

rick_chasey

They seriously need to get a handle on all this panic buying.

Not only is it socially irresponsible but all the queues outside are making a mockery out of social distancing.

Keep calm and carry on my f*cking @rse. Good job the UK didn't have a hard Brexit, the f*cking morons would ruin everything like they always do.

No doubt they're shoving their 19th can of tinned tomatoes into their third "keep calm and carry on bag" muttering to themselves that because they're actually enjoying this, they obviously are calm and are not "panic" buying because they don't feel panicked.

Idiots. I'm sure they're busy necking all the carling they've got but won't touch corona beer.

morstar

rick_chasey said:

They seriously need to get a handle on all this panic buying.

Not only is it socially irresponsible but all the queues outside are making a mockery out of social distancing.

Keep calm and carry on my f*cking @rse. Good job the UK didn't have a hard Brexit, the f*cking morons would ruin everything like they always do.

No doubt they're shoving their 19th can of tinned tomatoes into their third "keep calm and carry on bag" muttering to themselves that because they're actually enjoying this, they obviously are calm and are not "panic" buying because they don't feel panicked.

Idiots. I'm sure they're busy necking all the carling they've got but won't touch corona beer.

Problem is it started 2 weeks ago and they only started to do anything about it this week. Horse bolted.
I think the supermarkets can't be blamed for being caught on the back foot but taking 10 days to respond suggests they were happy to take the revenue.

Pross

I found the initial supermarket response to the panic buying very odd. Not only in that it took about a week to respond at all but when they did all they initially sent out was a joint letter asking costumers not to do it when it is fully within their gift to enforce maximum purchases. They're gradually getting there with overnight closures to restock and some stores having priority hours for key workers. That said, my daughter's friend is in the police and when they had a two hour window for vulnerable shoppers at a local supermarket she got called out to deal with fighting amongst the OAPs!

I reckon media pictures of full supermarket shelves after the overnight replenishment would be a good start in helping but instead they show empty shelves and queues outside.

mrfpb

Reading the Coronavirus Bill, the ammendments to the Children Act, The Care Act and various Health Acts seems to be aimed at emptying bedblockers from the hopsitals asap.

Local Authority's will no longer have to assess peoples needs, carers needs, including children who are carers before providing care. They will no longer have to assess people to pay towards their care. Lots of other safeguards going out the window. That's just one small portion of this bill.

The Act (which Labour are not going to ask for a vote on) will be in force for two years from the date it is passed.

mrfpb

Big rumour of the day - massive number of private hospitals in London will be commandeered by the Government for NHS use this weekend.

morstar

Pross said:

I reckon media pictures of full supermarket shelves after the overnight replenishment would be a good start in helping but instead they show empty shelves and queues outside.

I agree this is a good but unlikely plan.

The problem the supermarkets have is that even if the stock was available on site, it will take weeks to get back to normal whilst demand remains high.

A new supermarket takes a couple of weeks to fill from scratch and that's with no customers. Most supermarkets must be running at around 25% of typical stock levels and they're being hammered daily without the ability to draw in the sort of large team or delivery schedule they do to fill a new store.

If we stopped panic buying tomorrow, I reckon it's a bare minimum of a month to get to normal stock levels. I suspect the limited ranges will extend beyond the onset of a decline of the virus by a good month or two.

Pross

mrfpb said:

Reading the Coronavirus Bill, the ammendments to the Children Act, The Care Act and various Health Acts seems to be aimed at emptying bedblockers from the hopsitals asap.

Local Authority's will no longer have to assess peoples needs, carers needs, including children who are carers before providing care. They will no longer have to assess people to pay towards their care. Lots of other safeguards going out the window. That's just one small portion of this bill.

The Act (which Labour are not going to ask for a vote on) will be in force for two years from the date it is passed.

As I posted on the previous page, that's quite worrying on the care side of things. I thought I heard an MP yesterday who was going to propose an amendment that ensured the Government had to seek an extension every 90 days which seemed a reasonable precaution.

focuszing723

We should think ourselves lucky, the Yanks are panic buying guns.

mrfpb

It contains a mechanism to end the period before two years, however the advice given to government on imposing public restrictions gave a two year timeframe. But I don't think much time will be given to debate.

rick_chasey

morstar said:

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I think the supermarkets can't be blamed for being caught on the back foot but taking 10 days to respond suggests they were happy to take the revenue.

Seriously, this is not on the supermarkets. I'm close enough (as in, speak daily) to a buyer at a supermarket and basically they are trying to deal with up to 200% of demand on products. Suppliers are gouging supermarkets but even if the supermarkets do buy in a lot of extra stock (which they are), and they are, there are limits to the amount they can transport on each lorry to each store; especially as they need to recognise that some drivers are not able to work as they have vulnerable people at home.

peppers, tomatoes, pasta; a lot of these things, certainly at this time of year, come from spain and italy anyway, so getting them in is not easy. The fresh food will relax a bit once the british season kicks in in early april.

With food, you can't just magic up 200% more food by clicking your fingers. Somewhere, the food is actually being grown and manufactured.

Also, pity the supermarket staff who in all likelihood earn less than the people shopping who are having to be in contact with more people than pretty much everyone else.

They're not getting the spontaneous rounds of applause. No-one seems to remember that we're only ever three meals away from anarchy.

mrfpb

rick_chasey said:

morstar said:

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I think the supermarkets can't be blamed for being caught on the back foot but taking 10 days to respond suggests they were happy to take the revenue.

Seriously, this is not on the supermarkets. I'm close enough (as in, speak daily) to a buyer at a supermarket and basically they are trying to deal with up to 200% of demand on products. Suppliers are gouging supermarkets but even if the supermarkets do buy in a lot of extra stock (which they are), and they are, there are limits to the amount they can transport on each lorry to each store; especially as they need to recognise that some drivers are not able to work as they have vulnerable people at home.

peppers, tomatoes, pasta; a lot of these things, certainly at this time of year, come from spain and italy anyway, so getting them in is not easy. The fresh food will relax a bit once the british season kicks in in early april.

With food, you can't just magic up 200% more food by clicking your fingers. Somewhere, the food is actually being grown and manufactured.

Also, pity the supermarket staff who in all likelihood earn less than the people shopping who are having to be in contact with more people than pretty much everyone else.

They're not getting the spontaneous rounds of applause. No-one seems to remember that we're only ever three meals away from anarchy.

Well said.

I think wonky veg will be the next campaign if we want food on the shelves. We can't throw away 30-50% of our food at the farm gates because it doesn't look perfect.

DeVlaeminck

morstar said:

Pross said:

I reckon media pictures of full supermarket shelves after the overnight replenishment would be a good start in helping but instead they show empty shelves and queues outside.

I agree this is a good but unlikely plan.

The problem the supermarkets have is that even if the stock was available on site, it will take weeks to get back to normal whilst demand remains high.

A new supermarket takes a couple of weeks to fill from scratch and that's with no customers. Most supermarkets must be running at around 25% of typical stock levels and they're being hammered daily without the ability to draw in the sort of large team or delivery schedule they do to fill a new store.

If we stopped panic buying tomorrow, I reckon it's a bare minimum of a month to get to normal stock levels. I suspect the limited ranges will extend beyond the onset of a decline of the virus by a good month or two.

I think if the stock is on site then they can restock the shelves pretty quickly - couple of days tops - I know my local Sainsbury's shelves were 50% empty the other night - I mean 50% of the shelves were sold out so total stock in the shop must have been 25% at the remaining shelves were not full - think it was Tuesday night after I went to the gym. Yesterday they were pretty full apart from the lack of toilet rolls, hand sanitiser, dry pasta etc. My son works there part time and they've taken staff off things like the deli counter and the cafe which they've shut to restock during opening hours.

rjsterry

morstar said:

Pross said:

I reckon media pictures of full supermarket shelves after the overnight replenishment would be a good start in helping but instead they show empty shelves and queues outside.

I agree this is a good but unlikely plan.

The problem the supermarkets have is that even if the stock was available on site, it will take weeks to get back to normal whilst demand remains high.

A new supermarket takes a couple of weeks to fill from scratch and that's with no customers. Most supermarkets must be running at around 25% of typical stock levels and they're being hammered daily without the ability to draw in the sort of large team or delivery schedule they do to fill a new store.

If we stopped panic buying tomorrow, I reckon it's a bare minimum of a month to get to normal stock levels. I suspect the limited ranges will extend beyond the onset of a decline of the virus by a good month or two.

Aldi are recruiting 9000 including 4000 permanent staff!

joe2019

DeVlaeminck said:

I think if the stock is on site then they can restock the shelves pretty quickly - couple of days tops - I know my local Sainsbury's shelves were 50% empty the other night - I mean 50% of the shelves were sold out so total stock in the shop must have been 25% at the remaining shelves were not full - think it was Tuesday night after I went to the gym. Yesterday they were pretty full apart from the lack of toilet rolls, hand sanitiser, dry pasta etc. My son works there part time and they've taken staff off things like the deli counter and the cafe which they've shut to restock during opening hours.

I wouldn't be going near a gym.

pangolin

rjsterry said:

morstar said:

Pross said:

I reckon media pictures of full supermarket shelves after the overnight replenishment would be a good start in helping but instead they show empty shelves and queues outside.

I agree this is a good but unlikely plan.

The problem the supermarkets have is that even if the stock was available on site, it will take weeks to get back to normal whilst demand remains high.

A new supermarket takes a couple of weeks to fill from scratch and that's with no customers. Most supermarkets must be running at around 25% of typical stock levels and they're being hammered daily without the ability to draw in the sort of large team or delivery schedule they do to fill a new store.

If we stopped panic buying tomorrow, I reckon it's a bare minimum of a month to get to normal stock levels. I suspect the limited ranges will extend beyond the onset of a decline of the virus by a good month or two.

Aldi are recruiting 9000 including 4000 permanent staff!

With the bonus perk that if you get the job your kids can go back to school / nursery

briantrumpet

joe2019 said:

DeVlaeminck said:

I think if the stock is on site then they can restock the shelves pretty quickly - couple of days tops - I know my local Sainsbury's shelves were 50% empty the other night - I mean 50% of the shelves were sold out so total stock in the shop must have been 25% at the remaining shelves were not full - think it was Tuesday night after I went to the gym. Yesterday they were pretty full apart from the lack of toilet rolls, hand sanitiser, dry pasta etc. My son works there part time and they've taken staff off things like the deli counter and the cafe which they've shut to restock during opening hours.

I wouldn't be going near a gym.

I've been told that swimming in public chlorinated pools is safe, but I've ceased my regular swimming activities for now.

morstar

DeVlaeminck said:

morstar said:

Pross said:

I reckon media pictures of full supermarket shelves after the overnight replenishment would be a good start in helping but instead they show empty shelves and queues outside.

I agree this is a good but unlikely plan.

The problem the supermarkets have is that even if the stock was available on site, it will take weeks to get back to normal whilst demand remains high.

A new supermarket takes a couple of weeks to fill from scratch and that's with no customers. Most supermarkets must be running at around 25% of typical stock levels and they're being hammered daily without the ability to draw in the sort of large team or delivery schedule they do to fill a new store.

If we stopped panic buying tomorrow, I reckon it's a bare minimum of a month to get to normal stock levels. I suspect the limited ranges will extend beyond the onset of a decline of the virus by a good month or two.

I think if the stock is on site then they can restock the shelves pretty quickly

I'd respectfully disagree. Spent longer than I care to remember managing the process. Admittedly the toilet roll aisle which is big and bulky items can be filled from empty in less than an hour when shut.
Most of the overnight changes you refer to in the likes of the tins aisles will be fairly superficial. Christmas stocking up starts in September as it takes two months to build the stock up over all sites simultaneously while balancing both deliveries and staff capacity.

I worked in a large supermarket where the night crew would top out at 10 people who could handle about 20 pallets of dry goods in 11 hours. Some big and bulky, e.g. toilet rolls, cereal etc. some slow, small and fiddly e.g. paracetomol. That was 20 years ago when retail work was much faster paced that it is these days in the likes of Asda with it's middle aged workforce using trolleys rather than pallets.

To fill our local morrisons up to full for a normal Saturday must require somewhere around 100 pallets (5+ full artics) from where it is now. That would take nearly 60 fast workers to do overnight which wouldn't be at all practical from a pure logistics perspective. Pallet trucks, trolleys, falling over each other, plastic and cardboard disposal.

Making shops look fuller than they are is a major element of supermarket work.

pangolin

morstar said:

DeVlaeminck said:

morstar said:

Pross said:

I reckon media pictures of full supermarket shelves after the overnight replenishment would be a good start in helping but instead they show empty shelves and queues outside.

I agree this is a good but unlikely plan.

The problem the supermarkets have is that even if the stock was available on site, it will take weeks to get back to normal whilst demand remains high.

A new supermarket takes a couple of weeks to fill from scratch and that's with no customers. Most supermarkets must be running at around 25% of typical stock levels and they're being hammered daily without the ability to draw in the sort of large team or delivery schedule they do to fill a new store.

If we stopped panic buying tomorrow, I reckon it's a bare minimum of a month to get to normal stock levels. I suspect the limited ranges will extend beyond the onset of a decline of the virus by a good month or two.

I think if the stock is on site then they can restock the shelves pretty quickly

I'd respectfully disagree. Spent longer than I care to remember managing the process. Admittedly the toilet roll aisle which is big and bulky items can be filled from empty in less than an hour when shut.
Most of the overnight changes you refer to in the likes of the tins aisles will be fairly superficial. Christmas stocking up starts in September as it takes two months to build the stock up over all sites simultaneously while balancing both deliveries and staff capacity.

I worked in a large supermarket where the night crew would top out at 10 people who could handle about 20 pallets of dry goods in 11 hours. Some big and bulky, e.g. toilet rolls, cereal etc. some slow, small and fiddly e.g. paracetomol. That was 20 years ago when retail work was much faster paced that it is these days in the likes of Asda with it's middle aged workforce using trolleys rather than pallets.

To fill our local morrisons up to full for a normal Saturday must require somewhere around 100 pallets (5+ full artics) from where it is now. That would take nearly 60 fast workers to do overnight which wouldn't be at all practical from a pure logistics perspective. Pallet trucks, trolleys, falling over each other, plastic and cardboard disposal.

Making shops look fuller than they are is a major element of supermarket work.

Eh?

morstar

pangolin said:

morstar said:

DeVlaeminck said:

morstar said:

Pross said:

I reckon media pictures of full supermarket shelves after the overnight replenishment would be a good start in helping but instead they show empty shelves and queues outside.

I agree this is a good but unlikely plan.

The problem the supermarkets have is that even if the stock was available on site, it will take weeks to get back to normal whilst demand remains high.

A new supermarket takes a couple of weeks to fill from scratch and that's with no customers. Most supermarkets must be running at around 25% of typical stock levels and they're being hammered daily without the ability to draw in the sort of large team or delivery schedule they do to fill a new store.

If we stopped panic buying tomorrow, I reckon it's a bare minimum of a month to get to normal stock levels. I suspect the limited ranges will extend beyond the onset of a decline of the virus by a good month or two.

I think if the stock is on site then they can restock the shelves pretty quickly

I'd respectfully disagree. Spent longer than I care to remember managing the process. Admittedly the toilet roll aisle which is big and bulky items can be filled from empty in less than an hour when shut.
Most of the overnight changes you refer to in the likes of the tins aisles will be fairly superficial. Christmas stocking up starts in September as it takes two months to build the stock up over all sites simultaneously while balancing both deliveries and staff capacity.

I worked in a large supermarket where the night crew would top out at 10 people who could handle about 20 pallets of dry goods in 11 hours. Some big and bulky, e.g. toilet rolls, cereal etc. some slow, small and fiddly e.g. paracetomol. That was 20 years ago when retail work was much faster paced that it is these days in the likes of Asda with it's middle aged workforce using trolleys rather than pallets.

To fill our local morrisons up to full for a normal Saturday must require somewhere around 100 pallets (5+ full artics) from where it is now. That would take nearly 60 fast workers to do overnight which wouldn't be at all practical from a pure logistics perspective. Pallet trucks, trolleys, falling over each other, plastic and cardboard disposal.

Making shops look fuller than they are is a major element of supermarket work.

Eh?

Yes. Supermarkets employed younger staff and drove them hard.
Have a wander round ASDA today with a much older work force and far more friendly vibe than you ever used to have.
Aldi were notorious for obscene hours and pressure but at least paid well.
There was then a sliding scale as the theme of pressure and wage rates decreased as you moved more upmarket but the general theme was consistent.
Most retail replenishment I see these days is far to slow for the standards of 20 years ago.
And no, I’m not pining for days gone by, it was pretty naff.
The point I was making is you can’t fill a supermarket quickly and it’s not an armchair experts opinion.

Pross

As far as I'm aware they only use trolleys to restock because in a 24 hour store there are H&S implications with large kit. That will change now supermarkets are closing at night for replenishing. Also, the supermarket sector is massively different these days than it was 20 years ago. Whilst not involved directly in store design I worked on the project team of countless Tesco stores during their massive boom and they now store very little on site as it's about maximising sales floor space and relying on just in time delivery. That's why one of the first measures the Government announced was relaxing restrictions on delivery times.

surrey_commuter

mrfpb said:

surrey_commuter said:

Pross said:

surrey_commuter said:

Pross said:

surrey_commuter said:

rjsterry said:

surrey_commuter said:

So there seems to be a definite swing on here of people thinking Boris has not handled this as well as possible.

Standard apologies for DM link but it does show our extraordinary complacency and refusal to learn from others.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8133207/How-Boris-Johnsons-government-changed-tune-coronavirus-testing.html

The government changing tack rather conflicts with your 'British exceptionalism' theory. Adapting to changing circumstances is a good thing, no? Frankly, human history is a series of things we could have done better, and the public have as much responsibility as the government in this. We will only really know how much of it we got less wrong in a couple of years time or more.

It will not be years.

Very soon (days) we will discover if Boris can maintain the optimum level of infections to maximise the NHS without overwhelming it. Within a couple of weeks we will know if we are on a German or Italian trajectory.

What circumstances have changed in the last few weeks, or put another way, what do they know now that they did not know two weeks ago?

I assume it was more a case of putting things in place ready to announce the next phase e.g. you would think the financial support plans took a fair bit of discussion before suggesting pubs and restaurants close, either that or the Government showed uncharacteristic reactions by sorting it out in 24 hours.

You can't look at the immediate effects of the virus in isolation, it needs consideration holistically to prevent consequences further down the line.

I still say we will know in days if the Sombrero approach has worked

Maybe. My position has always been that the Government needs to follow the advice of their advisers, it may well be that advice wasn't the best advice but incompetent as I think Boris is he has to follow that advice.

You never get unanimous, unequivocal advice. You get to chose the advisors and the advice that you want to follow

But I don' see any advisors protesting or resigning. I don't see journalists pulling apart the advice given and finding strong, alternative, expert opinion.

Where is the collective cabinet responsibility?

Media are starting to mutter about the lack of testing.

Wonder what would have happened if Dianne Abbott had said 250,000 daily tests rather than 25,000? Maybe they knew he was making it up so the number did not matter.

rick_chasey

The media know they also have a responsibility to not have everything kick off in the middle of a crisis.

Ultimately journos, as we all know, are not experts in anything apart from being journos and they too are worried about themselves and loved ones, so they're not gonna kick off unless they're on *very* sure ground.

They spend most of their time in the daily press conferences asking for clarifications which will help with the public, which seems both sensible and a reflection of the appalling comms the uk gov't is producing.

surrey_commuter

rjsterry said:

surrey_commuter said:

rjsterry said:

rick_chasey said:

coopster_the_1st said:

I see our Berkshire_commuter is living up to his name again!

The UK is on a similar strategy to Germany yet there is no criticism of Germany. Ts

That's because the UK death rate is climbing faster than it did in Italy, whereas it is climbing more slowly than Italy in Germany.

As pointed out before, the differences in the way the figures are compiled in each country makes it very difficult to draw robust conclusions.

Right now all else being equal would you rather be in Germany, UK or Italy?

All else isn't equal and I am stuck in the UK anyway.

Your asthmatic mate Dave is in JFK with a choice of three flights London, Milan or Munich, which do you advise him to get on?

Or to make it simple London or Milan?

briantrumpet

Ration books, anyone?

"The government needs to introduce food rationing urgently to prevent key workers and disadvantaged families going hungry, leading food experts have said in a letter to the prime minister today.

Tim Lang, a former government adviser and professor of food policy at London’s City University, said a major food crisis was rapidly unfolding. Rationing is already taking place unofficially in supermarkets but in a way that takes no account of people’s need, he has told Downing Street along with fellow authors, Prof Erik Millstone of Sussex University, and Prof Terry Marsden of Cardiff University."

morstar

Pross said:

As far as I'm aware they only use trolleys to restock because in a 24 hour store there are H&S implications with large kit. That will change now supermarkets are closing at night for replenishing. Also, the supermarket sector is massively different these days than it was 20 years ago. Whilst not involved directly in store design I worked on the project team of countless Tesco stores during their massive boom and they now store very little on site as it's about maximising sales floor space and relying on just in time delivery. That's why one of the first measures the Government announced was relaxing restrictions on delivery times.

Agree with all of that. But even switching to pallets doesn’t automatically make you quicker if it is even practical.
The warehouse is designed around trolley replenishment rather than pallet so switching may not be an option. If you even have the pallets to hand and somewhere to park the trolleys.
Anyhoo, I’m just aware that to restock the entire nations supermarkets from such low levels is an absolutely enormous task.
Even if panic buying stopped today, we are weeks away from normal.
Although to counter that, demand could theoretically drop off at some point which would definitely help the replen process. May have some suppliers closing in August for a long holiday due to no demand for their products.

mrfpb

The lack of leaking or counter-briefing suggests collective cabinet consent to the PM's approach, doesn't it? Where are you seeing lack of collective responsibility.

Media muttering is different from there being strong expert opinion that contradicts the expert advice the govt is following, or even leaked dissent. The media are just representing public unrest/distrust with the restricitons.

rjsterry

surrey_commuter said:

rjsterry said:

surrey_commuter said:

rjsterry said:

rick_chasey said:

coopster_the_1st said:

I see our Berkshire_commuter is living up to his name again!

The UK is on a similar strategy to Germany yet there is no criticism of Germany. Ts

That's because the UK death rate is climbing faster than it did in Italy, whereas it is climbing more slowly than Italy in Germany.

As pointed out before, the differences in the way the figures are compiled in each country makes it very difficult to draw robust conclusions.

Right now all else being equal would you rather be in Germany, UK or Italy?

All else isn't equal and I am stuck in the UK anyway.

Your asthmatic mate Dave is in JFK with a choice of three flights London, Milan or Munich, which do you advise him to get on?

Or to make it simple London or Milan?

I am asthmatic and so is my daughter. I'd run out of fingers if I counted the number of friends and family who fall into the at risk category. Maybe the CMO and CSA haven't called this quite right; even if they had somehow miraculously picked the absolute optimum approach, my friends and family would still be at significant risk. I think this has very little to do with Johnson who seems to be just pointing at the CMO and CSA and saying "what he said".

Pross

morstar said:

Pross said:

As far as I'm aware they only use trolleys to restock because in a 24 hour store there are H&S implications with large kit. That will change now supermarkets are closing at night for replenishing. Also, the supermarket sector is massively different these days than it was 20 years ago. Whilst not involved directly in store design I worked on the project team of countless Tesco stores during their massive boom and they now store very little on site as it's about maximising sales floor space and relying on just in time delivery. That's why one of the first measures the Government announced was relaxing restrictions on delivery times.

Agree with all of that. But even switching to pallets doesn’t automatically make you quicker if it is even practical.
The warehouse is designed around trolley replenishment rather than pallet so switching may not be an option. If you even have the pallets to hand and somewhere to park the trolleys.
Anyhoo, I’m just aware that to restock the entire nations supermarkets from such low levels is an absolutely enormous task.
Even if panic buying stopped today, we are weeks away from normal.
Although to counter that, demand could theoretically drop off at some point which would definitely help the replen process. May have some suppliers closing in August for a long holiday due to no demand for their products.

I still think the best solution would be if they could sort out click and collect direct from the warehouse although I appreciate that the main depots aren't easy for everyone but it might help with easing the burden in store and also reduces human contact. Probably a million IT and H&S issues that would make this unworkable in the real world though.

coopster_the_1st

focuszing723 said:

coopster_the_1st said:

focuszing723 said:

coopster_the_1st said:

rick_chasey said:

FFS, lots of people have 'underlying health issues'.

Old and people with underlying health issues die every day. Nearly 2000 of them every day.

Some perspective on the reality of daily life may go some way to remove this current unwarranted panic.

Right you're PM. What's your plan, do we just carry on as normal and see what happens?

Listen to the science as we already are. Change the messaging to the reality of the situation that a lot of people going to die.

I think we are going to need a temporary universal basic income in place. That way we could reverse a lot of the current spending as businesses are not going to put their employees first if they are having cash problems

Johnson made that abundantly clear on his first public address regarding Covid19.

Great, so you agree we need to contain the virus to protect the NHS and be able to cope with a variety of medical issues of all age ranges, along with Covid19.

We need to prepare the public that it may come to the 'children and young' first approach for critical NHS care