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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 62,022
    pblakeney said:

    That appears to be doing it on the cheap.
    Pretty galling for a project that they are literally throwing money at.

    What would be the right price in your view?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,633
    Stevo_666 said:

    pblakeney said:

    That appears to be doing it on the cheap.
    Pretty galling for a project that they are literally throwing money at.

    What would be the right price in your view?
    50% chance of being severely ill for 2 weeks, plus a possible 2 week recovery?
    4 weeks wages would be a minimum, add on inconvenience to that.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
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    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 62,022
    edited April 2020
    pblakeney said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    pblakeney said:

    That appears to be doing it on the cheap.
    Pretty galling for a project that they are literally throwing money at.

    What would be the right price in your view?
    50% chance of being severely ill for 2 weeks, plus a possible 2 week recovery?
    4 weeks wages would be a minimum, add on inconvenience to that.
    OK, so geared to how much you earn. I like your attitude ;)
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 62,022
    TheBigBean said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    tailwindhome said:

    TheBigBean said:

    Not much interest in controlled infection as a vaccine then.

    1 in 500 chance of hospitalisation.
    Wouldn't have thought there'd be much interest, no.

    I think if you offered £2k to be a medical guinea pig you would have them queueing around the block
    How about £625?

    Human trials of a UK vaccine going ahead, which is clearly a promising development. They're appealing for volunteers if anyone wants to do their bit:
    https://bbc.co.uk/news/live/business-52363531

    While it is far from guaranteed to work there are something like 80 other live vaccine projects globally.
    Direct link for interested parties.

    https://covid19vaccinetrial.co.uk/volunteer

    It is only £230 in London, and there is only a 50% chance you get the vaccine. Also, lots of time consuming appointments. Other than the 50% bit, I might have been interested.
    I'm not in the right postcode by the look of it.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,633
    Stevo_666 said:

    pblakeney said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    pblakeney said:

    That appears to be doing it on the cheap.
    Pretty galling for a project that they are literally throwing money at.

    What would be the right price in your view?
    50% chance of being severely ill for 2 weeks, plus a possible 2 week recovery?
    4 weeks wages would be a minimum, add on inconvenience to that.
    OK, so geared to how much you earn. I like your attitude ;)
    You asked my price and I gave it. As I am currently wfh it's not going to happen anyway. I do not speak for others and do not suggest it to be policy.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Lots of smart people in the US are worried that they have not increased the level of testing for the past month.

    Presumably the folks here are relaxed about this?
    _
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,336
    In other news, I have seen a few offers are coming back in supermarkets... sign of a slow return to normality?
    left the forum March 2023
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,195
    I'm sure lots of smart people also know about supply and demand.

    I'm more concerned about how Third World Countries are going to cope when all the Rich Countries will be on the receiving end of the supply.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,090
    Some of today's news:
    - shipment of gowns arrives from Turkey
    - ventilator challenge is producing ventilators
    - test capapcity now at 39,000, but more subjects are required

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/apr/21/we-made-right-choice-in-ventilator-race-says-uk-consortium-head
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,195
    ugo.santalucia said:

    In other news, I have seen a few offers are coming back in supermarkets... sign of a slow return to normality?

    Yes. I think supermarkets have handled this well (social distancing, hand sanitizer at the entrance). My only slight grip would be to have stopped idiots bulk buying, but that's easier said than done for the staff.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,336
    focuszing723 said:

    ugo.santalucia said:

    In other news, I have seen a few offers are coming back in supermarkets... sign of a slow return to normality?

    Yes. I think supermarkets have handled this well (social distancing, hand sanitizer at the entrance). My only slight grip would be to have stopped idiots bulk buying, but that's easier said than done for the staff.
    Aside from a very small number of idiots who bought 100 rolls of loo paper, I don't think it's what happened. The problem is that if everybody buys 10% more than they normally do, then there is a shortage. Why would you not buy 10% more than you normally do, knowing that you might have to self isolate if anyone in your household have symptoms?
    I don't think of myself as an idiot, but I certainly did stock a bit more food in my house than I would have normally done.

    Social media dictated which commodities had to be stocked up... tinned and dry stuff was an obvious one, toilet paper was a bit unexpected
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,302
    ugo.santalucia said:



    Social media dictated which commodities had to be stocked up... tinned and dry stuff was an obvious one, toilet paper was a bit unexpected

    Goes back to the no deal Brexit preparations.

    https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-bums-rush-no-deal-could-wipe-out-toilet-paper-stocks-11831093

    Then when you hear about stockpiling, it's in the folk memory.
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,195
    ugo.santalucia said:

    focuszing723 said:

    ugo.santalucia said:

    In other news, I have seen a few offers are coming back in supermarkets... sign of a slow return to normality?

    Yes. I think supermarkets have handled this well (social distancing, hand sanitizer at the entrance). My only slight grip would be to have stopped idiots bulk buying, but that's easier said than done for the staff.
    Aside from a very small number of idiots who bought 100 rolls of loo paper, I don't think it's what happened. The problem is that if everybody buys 10% more than they normally do, then there is a shortage. Why would you not buy 10% more than you normally do, knowing that you might have to self isolate if anyone in your household have symptoms?
    I don't think of myself as an idiot, but I certainly did stock a bit more food in my house than I would have normally done.

    Social media dictated which commodities had to be stocked up... tinned and dry stuff was an obvious one, toilet paper was a bit unexpected
    That's a fair point.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    TheBigBean said:

    Some of today's news:
    - shipment of gowns arrives from Turkey
    - ventilator challenge is producing ventilators
    - test capapcity now at 39,000, but more subjects are required

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/apr/21/we-made-right-choice-in-ventilator-race-says-uk-consortium-head

    Interestingly the DM is full of doom gloom and despondency
    - the plane was too small
    - Nightingale is turning patients away due to no nurses

    On the plus side, some people I had never heard of have been wearing bikinis during lockdown
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    rick_chasey said:

    Lots of smart people in the US are worried that they have not increased the level of testing for the past month.

    Presumably the folks here are relaxed about this?


    Rightly or wrongly I don’t have an opinion on it
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,692
    surrey_commuter said:

    TheBigBean said:

    Some of today's news:
    - shipment of gowns arrives from Turkey
    - ventilator challenge is producing ventilators
    - test capapcity now at 39,000, but more subjects are required

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/apr/21/we-made-right-choice-in-ventilator-race-says-uk-consortium-head

    Interestingly the DM is full of doom gloom and despondency
    - the plane was too small
    - Nightingale is turning patients away due to no nurses

    On the plus side, some people I had never heard of have been wearing bikinis during lockdown
    That Nightingale one sounds like BS to me. It's not like they are places where a patient will just turn up, they get moved there when deemed necessary. The plane one sounds like they've hired Rick to write for them, I thought I'd seen pictures of a C130 waiting on the runway and they aren't exactly small.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,302
    Pross said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    TheBigBean said:

    Some of today's news:
    - shipment of gowns arrives from Turkey
    - ventilator challenge is producing ventilators
    - test capapcity now at 39,000, but more subjects are required

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/apr/21/we-made-right-choice-in-ventilator-race-says-uk-consortium-head

    Interestingly the DM is full of doom gloom and despondency
    - the plane was too small
    - Nightingale is turning patients away due to no nurses

    On the plus side, some people I had never heard of have been wearing bikinis during lockdown
    That Nightingale one sounds like BS to me. It's not like they are places where a patient will just turn up, they get moved there when deemed necessary. The plane one sounds like they've hired Rick to write for them, I thought I'd seen pictures of a C130 waiting on the runway and they aren't exactly small.
    From The Times:

    The Nightingale hospital in London turned down requests to take dozens of coronavirus patients because it did not have staff in place to treat them, it emerged last night.

    Plans to transfer more than 30 patients from NHS hospitals in the capital to the site in the Docklands were scuppered “due to staffing issues”, according to documents reported by The Guardian.

    Overall the ExCel Centre facility has been unable to admit about 50 people, all of whom were intubated and on ventilators, since it began treating patients on April 7, the documents said. At the start of this week it had treated 41 patients, with 30 still on site, seven discharged to other care settings, and four having died.


    The hospital is operating on a model by which it draws in nursing staff from elsewhere in the capital only in case of a surge in patient numbers.

    There is still capacity for patients needing critical care in established London hospitals, NHS officials said. Patients that the Nightingale could not take were being sent to these hospitals, they added.


    I guess the extra staff would have come from other hospitals which means non-corona cases would not be seen in the event of a surge, but then there's a big problem where they come from if it were to be used as a coronavirus facility to segregate those patients so that other hospitals can get on with other work.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,336
    Is it fair to say that Coronavirus (more so than cycling) saved the BikeRadar forum?
    I seem to recall in February, after the migration on the new platform, it resembled the Sahara desert
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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 62,022
    pblakeney said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    pblakeney said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    pblakeney said:

    That appears to be doing it on the cheap.
    Pretty galling for a project that they are literally throwing money at.

    What would be the right price in your view?
    50% chance of being severely ill for 2 weeks, plus a possible 2 week recovery?
    4 weeks wages would be a minimum, add on inconvenience to that.
    OK, so geared to how much you earn. I like your attitude ;)
    You asked my price and I gave it. As I am currently wfh it's not going to happen anyway. I do not speak for others and do not suggest it to be policy.
    At least you're still working, otherwise the price based on your principles would be rather low...
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,336
    Stevo_666 said:

    pblakeney said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    pblakeney said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    pblakeney said:

    That appears to be doing it on the cheap.
    Pretty galling for a project that they are literally throwing money at.

    What would be the right price in your view?
    50% chance of being severely ill for 2 weeks, plus a possible 2 week recovery?
    4 weeks wages would be a minimum, add on inconvenience to that.
    OK, so geared to how much you earn. I like your attitude ;)
    You asked my price and I gave it. As I am currently wfh it's not going to happen anyway. I do not speak for others and do not suggest it to be policy.
    At least you're still working, otherwise the price based on your principles would be rather low...
    It's all academic, I don't expect anyone in full time employment to volunteer for the vaccine. You probably need to be in a hospital setting for a few days, which is incompatible with having to work.
    Unemployed, students... the usual suspects who can do with a top up in their wallet
    left the forum March 2023
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,692
    kingstongraham said:

    Pross said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    TheBigBean said:

    Some of today's news:
    - shipment of gowns arrives from Turkey
    - ventilator challenge is producing ventilators
    - test capapcity now at 39,000, but more subjects are required

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/apr/21/we-made-right-choice-in-ventilator-race-says-uk-consortium-head

    Interestingly the DM is full of doom gloom and despondency
    - the plane was too small
    - Nightingale is turning patients away due to no nurses

    On the plus side, some people I had never heard of have been wearing bikinis during lockdown
    That Nightingale one sounds like BS to me. It's not like they are places where a patient will just turn up, they get moved there when deemed necessary. The plane one sounds like they've hired Rick to write for them, I thought I'd seen pictures of a C130 waiting on the runway and they aren't exactly small.
    From The Times:

    The Nightingale hospital in London turned down requests to take dozens of coronavirus patients because it did not have staff in place to treat them, it emerged last night.

    Plans to transfer more than 30 patients from NHS hospitals in the capital to the site in the Docklands were scuppered “due to staffing issues”, according to documents reported by The Guardian.

    Overall the ExCel Centre facility has been unable to admit about 50 people, all of whom were intubated and on ventilators, since it began treating patients on April 7, the documents said. At the start of this week it had treated 41 patients, with 30 still on site, seven discharged to other care settings, and four having died.


    The hospital is operating on a model by which it draws in nursing staff from elsewhere in the capital only in case of a surge in patient numbers.

    There is still capacity for patients needing critical care in established London hospitals, NHS officials said. Patients that the Nightingale could not take were being sent to these hospitals, they added.


    I guess the extra staff would have come from other hospitals which means non-corona cases would not be seen in the event of a surge, but then there's a big problem where they come from if it were to be used as a coronavirus facility to segregate those patients so that other hospitals can get on with other work.
    Disappointing but as has been said on here before finding the staff for the additional space was always going to be the biggest challenge.
  • pangolin
    pangolin Posts: 6,670
    ugo.santalucia said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    pblakeney said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    pblakeney said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    pblakeney said:

    That appears to be doing it on the cheap.
    Pretty galling for a project that they are literally throwing money at.

    What would be the right price in your view?
    50% chance of being severely ill for 2 weeks, plus a possible 2 week recovery?
    4 weeks wages would be a minimum, add on inconvenience to that.
    OK, so geared to how much you earn. I like your attitude ;)
    You asked my price and I gave it. As I am currently wfh it's not going to happen anyway. I do not speak for others and do not suggest it to be policy.
    At least you're still working, otherwise the price based on your principles would be rather low...
    It's all academic, I don't expect anyone in full time employment to volunteer for the vaccine. You probably need to be in a hospital setting for a few days, which is incompatible with having to work.
    Unemployed, students... the usual suspects who can do with a top up in their wallet
    The vaccination appointment is about an hour according to the link, then several shorter appointments after that. Not convenient but you could fit it in around work. But, for £235, I wouldn't be bothering.
    pblakeney said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    pblakeney said:

    That appears to be doing it on the cheap.
    Pretty galling for a project that they are literally throwing money at.

    What would be the right price in your view?
    50% chance of being severely ill for 2 weeks, plus a possible 2 week recovery?
    4 weeks wages would be a minimum, add on inconvenience to that.
    Am I misunderstanding the risks of a vaccine trial? It's not like just being infected with the live virus is it? Not unless they seriously f'd up.
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,692
    Yeah, I was listening to a virologist from Imperial this morning and it was really interesting. I think he said it is basically the pretty spiky protein casing that gets used to get the body to trigger an immune response. It's more advanced than the method used in flu vaccines.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,336
    pangolin said:



    The vaccination appointment is about an hour according to the link, then several shorter appointments after that. Not convenient but you could fit it in around work. But, for £235, I wouldn't be bothering.

    Ah OK, I'd have thought they would keep you under observation... good news they don't.

    I suppose this is something one should do to help science and the nation, so I expect Coopster to have signed up already, since he is keen to gain immunity...

    Has he?

    left the forum March 2023
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,692
    PPE remains a complete cluster fuck though. The Government have an opportunity to keep British manufacturing running therefore reducing furlough or UC costs and get equipment sourced within the country. I understand the advantages of using proven manufacturers but it makes sense logistically to make as much as possible locally.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,090
    surrey_commuter said:

    TheBigBean said:

    Some of today's news:
    - shipment of gowns arrives from Turkey
    - ventilator challenge is producing ventilators
    - test capapcity now at 39,000, but more subjects are required

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/apr/21/we-made-right-choice-in-ventilator-race-says-uk-consortium-head

    Interestingly the DM is full of doom gloom and despondency
    - the plane was too small
    - Nightingale is turning patients away due to no nurses

    On the plus side, some people I had never heard of have been wearing bikinis during lockdown
    There's not much of a scoop in being positive. Better to focus on the EU procurement scheme scandal. I was trying to find out whether any ventilators have actually been delivered anywhere under the scheme, but it seems better to make it political whether or not it was politics or incompetence which led to the UK not joining. I don't think it has actually resulted in any ventilators.
  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,112
    edited April 2020
    Up to 11 visits over 6 months - the payment depends on which group you are in so probably more visits more payment.

    It's basically expenses isn't it unless they are paying those on top. It gives some kind of time frame anyway - they also mention an optional visit after 12 months but presumably as it's optional they can crack on with making a final decision after 6.

    So allowing time to get this up and running and assuming they's get some kind of idea how things are looking early on and at least put some kind of manufacturing and distribution procedures in place you'd think absolute best case would be what, 9 months to start rolling it out or is that optimistic?
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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,090
    Pross said:

    PPE remains a complete cluster censored though. The Government have an opportunity to keep British manufacturing running therefore reducing furlough or UC costs and get equipment sourced within the country. I understand the advantages of using proven manufacturers but it makes sense logistically to make as much as possible locally.

    I think the problem is that every man and his dog has offered to provide PPE and they are struggling to filter out the no hopers from the genuinely capable.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    TheBigBean said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    TheBigBean said:

    Some of today's news:
    - shipment of gowns arrives from Turkey
    - ventilator challenge is producing ventilators
    - test capapcity now at 39,000, but more subjects are required

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/apr/21/we-made-right-choice-in-ventilator-race-says-uk-consortium-head

    Interestingly the DM is full of doom gloom and despondency
    - the plane was too small
    - Nightingale is turning patients away due to no nurses

    On the plus side, some people I had never heard of have been wearing bikinis during lockdown
    There's not much of a scoop in being positive. Better to focus on the EU procurement scheme scandal. I was trying to find out whether any ventilators have actually been delivered anywhere under the scheme, but it seems better to make it political whether or not it was politics or incompetence which led to the UK not joining. I don't think it has actually resulted in any ventilators.
    I thought the EU procurement scheme was mainly PPE, and so far there has been one or no deliveries (though a lot in the pipeline).
    _
  • sungod
    sungod Posts: 17,496
    Stevo_666 said:

    TheBigBean said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    surrey_commuter said:

    tailwindhome said:

    TheBigBean said:

    Not much interest in controlled infection as a vaccine then.

    1 in 500 chance of hospitalisation.
    Wouldn't have thought there'd be much interest, no.

    I think if you offered £2k to be a medical guinea pig you would have them queueing around the block
    How about £625?

    Human trials of a UK vaccine going ahead, which is clearly a promising development. They're appealing for volunteers if anyone wants to do their bit:
    https://bbc.co.uk/news/live/business-52363531

    While it is far from guaranteed to work there are something like 80 other live vaccine projects globally.
    Direct link for interested parties.

    https://covid19vaccinetrial.co.uk/volunteer

    It is only £230 in London, and there is only a 50% chance you get the vaccine. Also, lots of time consuming appointments. Other than the 50% bit, I might have been interested.
    I'm not in the right postcode by the look of it.
    just tried but i'm too old, grrrr

    i'd tell them to keep the money/donate it, at least doing the trial would add a bit of variety
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