The big Coronavirus thread

TheBigBean

pblakeney said:

For 4 months?
The future is no longer orange, it is bleak.

Yes. I guess this is the denial stage. We've had "it's just flu" and now we have "the government should do something, I can't live like that"

orraloon

On this self isolation for the elderly thing. What about those oldies who have carers visiting? Example: my m-i-l is knocking on, still lives at home, has carers visit 2 or more times per day, varies on how she is feeling.

These carers go from home to home to home. Full disinfection pre every visit, when you are on tight timelines to meet your quota?

Pross

My sister and her two kids live with my parents who are in their 70s so that's not going to work. Also, my mum has never accepted being told what to do. The best way to get her to stay indoors would be to tell her she has to go out to large social gatherings.

I was trying to think when I could last remember her spending a day in bed ill and concluded that other than being in hospital after having my sisters and following hip replacement surgery I can't recall it ever happening.

tailwindhome

The pubs in Ireland are closing.

pblakeney

tailwindhome said:

The pubs in Ireland are closing.

The ultimate message of seriousness. 😱

surrey_commuter

Pross said:

I've actually seen a friend share a post on Facebook comparing countries most affected by Coronavirus with those which are rolling out 5G. I mean, I know she's nuts (big into holistic medicine, hates big pharma, thinks cancer should be treated with natural remedies, anti-vaccination etc.) but how even so how can anyone be seriously linking a virus with 5G?

Do you really think that is madder than Goo thinking the Chinese Govt launched Coronavirus to distract from demonstrators in HK

5G = Huawei = Chinese Govt = Coronavirus

Pross

pblakeney said:

tailwindhome said:

The pubs in Ireland are closing.

The ultimate message of seriousness. 😱

Especially as they're days away from Paddy's Day!

awavey

orraloon said:

On this self isolation for the elderly thing. What about those oldies who have carers visiting? Example: my m-i-l is knocking on, still lives at home, has carers visit 2 or more times per day, varies on how she is feeling.

These carers go from home to home to home. Full disinfection pre every visit, when you are on tight timelines to meet your quota?

I dont know,but it must be similar situation for hospital or care home staff though, they cant stop carer visits though as thats as sure a way to finish off people like my parents regardless of them catching this virus anyway, as theyd no longer be able to cope without carer visits anymore.

though it means I have to self isolate from them anyway, but its not just them at risk, its all the people in the same situation the carers have to look after as well that I have to think about

Jeremy.89

surrey_commuter said:

Pross said:

I've actually seen a friend share a post on Facebook comparing countries most affected by Coronavirus with those which are rolling out 5G. I mean, I know she's nuts (big into holistic medicine, hates big pharma, thinks cancer should be treated with natural remedies, anti-vaccination etc.) but how even so how can anyone be seriously linking a virus with 5G?

Do you really think that is madder than Goo thinking the Chinese Govt launched Coronavirus to distract from demonstrators in HK

5G = Huawei = Chinese Govt = Coronavirus

Yes, everyone knows that 5G gives you cancer not the flu.

TheBigBean

Hancock said this morning that they hope to use hotel beds and could use mitlitary field hospitals, but the bigger challenge is staffing and equipment. Any company that can should start making ventilators, he said.

darkhairedlord

TheBigBean said:

Hancock said this morning that they hope to use hotel beds and could use mitlitary field hospitals, but the bigger challenge is staffing and equipment. Any company that can should start making ventilators, he said.

Commandeer all the private hospitals. That would help.

kingstongraham

darkhairedlord said:

TheBigBean said:

Hancock said this morning that they hope to use hotel beds and could use mitlitary field hospitals, but the bigger challenge is staffing and equipment. Any company that can should start making ventilators, he said.

Commandeer all the private hospitals. That would help.

That will happen... at a price. This government isn't going to short change the private health providers.

Pross

awavey said:

orraloon said:

On this self isolation for the elderly thing. What about those oldies who have carers visiting? Example: my m-i-l is knocking on, still lives at home, has carers visit 2 or more times per day, varies on how she is feeling.

These carers go from home to home to home. Full disinfection pre every visit, when you are on tight timelines to meet your quota?

I dont know,but it must be similar situation for hospital or care home staff though, they cant stop carer visits though as thats as sure a way to finish off people like my parents regardless of them catching this virus anyway, as theyd no longer be able to cope without carer visits anymore.

though it means I have to self isolate from them anyway, but its not just them at risk, its all the people in the same situation the carers have to look after as well that I have to think about

Wife manages a few small assisted living houses and is worrying how she's going to staff them. Most of the staff suffer from Valleyitis at the best of times (especially on or immediately after sunny Bank Holiday weekends) and 3 have already decided to self-isolate as they have cold symptoms which, as far as I'm aware, are very different from Covid symptoms. The emergency plans they've drawn up for approval by social services include an acceptance that they might have to operate below the regulatory number of staff to service users.

Pross

surrey_commuter said:

Pross said:

I've actually seen a friend share a post on Facebook comparing countries most affected by Coronavirus with those which are rolling out 5G. I mean, I know she's nuts (big into holistic medicine, hates big pharma, thinks cancer should be treated with natural remedies, anti-vaccination etc.) but how even so how can anyone be seriously linking a virus with 5G?

Do you really think that is madder than Goo thinking the Chinese Govt launched Coronavirus to distract from demonstrators in HK

5G = Huawei = Chinese Govt = Coronavirus

I actually think Goo's theory was far more believable. I mean, if you're into conspiracies they creating a diversion so that you can continue human right abuses without media attention makes sense. Even wearing my tinfoil hat I'm struggling to understand the case for 5g signals causing a virus.

orraloon

Add in the LED street lamps that are spying on us and woah, mega-conspiracy.

Stevo_666

This is just a bloody dreadful situation to be in for people with elderly relatives and I know quite a few on here are in that position. The only possible positive spin you can put on it is that around 92% of those in their 70's and 85% of those in their 80's survive this virus.

pblakeney

orraloon said:

On this self isolation for the elderly thing. What about those oldies who have carers visiting? Example: my m-i-l is knocking on, still lives at home, has carers visit 2 or more times per day, varies on how she is feeling.

These carers go from home to home to home. Full disinfection pre every visit, when you are on tight timelines to meet your quota?

My wife is a community nurse. Current practice to just get on with it and maintain hygiene. No extra measures or allowances have been made.

dabber

Stevo_666 said:

This is just a bloody dreadful situation to be in for people with elderly relatives and I know quite a few on here are in that position. The only possible positive spin you can put on it is that around 92% of those in their 70's and 85% of those in their 80's survive this virus.

A weird situation for the so called elderly as well. I'm 72, ride around 100 miles a week... road,off-road and turbo. No underlying illness. Probably massively fitter than the majority of those in the their mid-50's (or younger).
My wife is 70, again very fit, pilates, body balance etc 3 times a week, both walk regularly as well. No underlying illness.
What are we supposed to do? Vegetate in the house for 4 months, lose our fitness both physically and mentally?
The "70" threshold is purely an artificial number.

kingstonian

dabber said:

Stevo_666 said:

This is just a bloody dreadful situation to be in for people with elderly relatives and I know quite a few on here are in that position. The only possible positive spin you can put on it is that around 92% of those in their 70's and 85% of those in their 80's survive this virus.

A weird situation for the so called elderly as well. I'm 72, ride around 100 miles a week... road,off-road and turbo. No underlying illness. Probably massively fitter than the majority of those in the their mid-50's (or younger).
My wife is 70, again very fit, pilates, body balance etc 3 times a week, both walk regularly as well. No underlying illness.
What are we supposed to do? Vegetate in the house for 4 months, lose our fitness both physically and mentally?
The "70" threshold is purely an artificial number.

My mother turned 70 in January, fit as a fiddle, she’s not in the slightest bit worried, but as you say what should she do?

pblakeney

kingstonian said:

My mother turned 70 in January, fit as a fiddle, she’s not in the slightest bit worried, but as you say what should she do?

My daughter in law (who is also a community nurse) was just commenting on that today. The oldies haven't a care in the world. The younger ones a panicking. 🤔

rjsterry

dabber said:

Stevo_666 said:

This is just a bloody dreadful situation to be in for people with elderly relatives and I know quite a few on here are in that position. The only possible positive spin you can put on it is that around 92% of those in their 70's and 85% of those in their 80's survive this virus.

A weird situation for the so called elderly as well. I'm 72, ride around 100 miles a week... road,off-road and turbo. No underlying illness. Probably massively fitter than the majority of those in the their mid-50's (or younger).
My wife is 70, again very fit, pilates, body balance etc 3 times a week, both walk regularly as well. No underlying illness.
What are we supposed to do? Vegetate in the house for 4 months, lose our fitness both physically and mentally?
The "70" threshold is purely an artificial number.

To a certain extent yes. But the statistics that there are (which admittedly are incomplete) do show a sharp uptick in mortality rates above that age. I read that in Italy only two of the fatalities have not had underlying health problems

mrb123

368 deaths today alone in Italy. This really is turning into a disaster of the most shocking proportions.

mrfpb

pblakeney said:

My wife is a community nurse. Current practice to just get on with it and maintain hygiene. No extra measures or allowances have been made.

Quite. They work to protect people with health issues from further infection as a given (Or should) Carry on matron (and doctor, nurse, care assistant).

awavey

kingstonian said:

dabber said:

Stevo_666 said:

This is just a bloody dreadful situation to be in for people with elderly relatives and I know quite a few on here are in that position. The only possible positive spin you can put on it is that around 92% of those in their 70's and 85% of those in their 80's survive this virus.

A weird situation for the so called elderly as well. I'm 72, ride around 100 miles a week... road,off-road and turbo. No underlying illness. Probably massively fitter than the majority of those in the their mid-50's (or younger).
My wife is 70, again very fit, pilates, body balance etc 3 times a week, both walk regularly as well. No underlying illness.
What are we supposed to do? Vegetate in the house for 4 months, lose our fitness both physically and mentally?
The "70" threshold is purely an artificial number.

My mother turned 70 in January, fit as a fiddle, she’s not in the slightest bit worried, but as you say what should she do?

I'd argue in both those cases,at that age you are old enough & wise enough to make your own decisions & choices on that.

Its advice for the majority, not a hard & set rule, but be mindful of the dangers or risks as much to others than yourself

dabber

awavey said:

kingstonian said:

dabber said:

Stevo_666 said:

This is just a bloody dreadful situation to be in for people with elderly relatives and I know quite a few on here are in that position. The only possible positive spin you can put on it is that around 92% of those in their 70's and 85% of those in their 80's survive this virus.

A weird situation for the so called elderly as well. I'm 72, ride around 100 miles a week... road,off-road and turbo. No underlying illness. Probably massively fitter than the majority of those in the their mid-50's (or younger).
My wife is 70, again very fit, pilates, body balance etc 3 times a week, both walk regularly as well. No underlying illness.
What are we supposed to do? Vegetate in the house for 4 months, lose our fitness both physically and mentally?
The "70" threshold is purely an artificial number.

My mother turned 70 in January, fit as a fiddle, she’s not in the slightest bit worried, but as you say what should she do?

I'd argue in both those cases,at that age you are old enough & wise enough to make your own decisions & choices on that.

Its advice for the majority, not a hard & set rule, but be mindful of the dangers or risks as much to others than yourself

Agreed. I just hope some draconian attempt of control to force the issue isn't implemented.
Don't get me wrong, I don't want to court problems but there's no way I'm sitting home in front of the tv.

joe2019

dabber said:

awavey said:

kingstonian said:

dabber said:

Stevo_666 said:

This is just a bloody dreadful situation to be in for people with elderly relatives and I know quite a few on here are in that position. The only possible positive spin you can put on it is that around 92% of those in their 70's and 85% of those in their 80's survive this virus.

A weird situation for the so called elderly as well. I'm 72, ride around 100 miles a week... road,off-road and turbo. No underlying illness. Probably massively fitter than the majority of those in the their mid-50's (or younger).
My wife is 70, again very fit, pilates, body balance etc 3 times a week, both walk regularly as well. No underlying illness.
What are we supposed to do? Vegetate in the house for 4 months, lose our fitness both physically and mentally?
The "70" threshold is purely an artificial number.

My mother turned 70 in January, fit as a fiddle, she’s not in the slightest bit worried, but as you say what should she do?

I'd argue in both those cases,at that age you are old enough & wise enough to make your own decisions & choices on that.

Its advice for the majority, not a hard & set rule, but be mindful of the dangers or risks as much to others than yourself

Agreed. I just hope some draconian attempt of control to force the issue isn't implemented.
Don't get me wrong, I don't want to court problems but there's no way I'm sitting home in front of the tv.

So, you'd rather sit in hospital in front of the TV instead?

mrfpb

Part of the stats informing Govt policy is an estimate of how likely people are to do what they're told.

As numbers rise, people will be more worried and more likely to follow advice, especially when Covid 19 starts to hit people we know personally.

dabber

mrfpb said:

Part of the stats informing Govt policy is an estimate of how likely people are to do what they're told.

As numbers rise, people will be more worried and more likely to follow advice, especially when Covid 19 starts to hit people we know personally.

However, as you get older you get used to seeing people you know and perhaps have known for years gradually dying off. It's always hard and depressing.

wiznaeme

An attempt to quarantine an age group such as over 70’s will amount to no more than well intentioned advice. No one will be approaching the elderly in the street asking what age they are and sending them home and the police will arrest no one.

pblakeney

dabber said:

awavey said:

kingstonian said:

dabber said:

Stevo_666 said:

This is just a bloody dreadful situation to be in for people with elderly relatives and I know quite a few on here are in that position. The only possible positive spin you can put on it is that around 92% of those in their 70's and 85% of those in their 80's survive this virus.

A weird situation for the so called elderly as well. I'm 72, ride around 100 miles a week... road,off-road and turbo. No underlying illness. Probably massively fitter than the majority of those in the their mid-50's (or younger).
My wife is 70, again very fit, pilates, body balance etc 3 times a week, both walk regularly as well. No underlying illness.
What are we supposed to do? Vegetate in the house for 4 months, lose our fitness both physically and mentally?
The "70" threshold is purely an artificial number.

My mother turned 70 in January, fit as a fiddle, she’s not in the slightest bit worried, but as you say what should she do?

I'd argue in both those cases,at that age you are old enough & wise enough to make your own decisions & choices on that.

Its advice for the majority, not a hard & set rule, but be mindful of the dangers or risks as much to others than yourself

Agreed. I just hope some draconian attempt of control to force the issue isn't implemented.
Don't get me wrong, I don't want to court problems but there's no way I'm sitting home in front of the tv.

Well, the Spanish police are using drones to check for movement during their lockdown. Who knows where this is going for us?