The big Coronavirus thread
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If they're ill enough to need my concern they shouldn't be in work.TheBigBean said:
No concern for the sick person, just concern for themselves.kingstongraham said:
Why? Maybe they don't like catching infectious diseases.TheBigBean said:
Finally, a pet hate of mine is people who when they find out someone is sick immediately react with "stay away from me".
Obviously this only goes for infectious diseases.0 -
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So if they're not ill enough to be concerned about then you shouldn't have any concern about contracting what they have?kingstongraham said:
If they're ill enough to need my concern they shouldn't be in work.TheBigBean said:
No concern for the sick person, just concern for themselves.kingstongraham said:
Why? Maybe they don't like catching infectious diseases.TheBigBean said:
Finally, a pet hate of mine is people who when they find out someone is sick immediately react with "stay away from me".
Obviously this only goes for infectious diseases.
Also, people can't help saying this even on calls far away from the infected person.0 -
It’s quite basic. If you don’t *have* to be in work and you can do the job fine for a day or two at home, save everyone else the grief.TheBigBean said:
So if they're not ill enough to be concerned about then you shouldn't have any concern about contracting what they have?kingstongraham said:
If they're ill enough to need my concern they shouldn't be in work.TheBigBean said:
No concern for the sick person, just concern for themselves.kingstongraham said:
Why? Maybe they don't like catching infectious diseases.TheBigBean said:
Finally, a pet hate of mine is people who when they find out someone is sick immediately react with "stay away from me".
Obviously this only goes for infectious diseases.
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I don't think it would stop the spreading of colds, though. A lot of the time people are infectious, but don't really know if it's a cold or not at that point. Hayfever, for example can often be confused with a cold.0
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F*** knows why this is even controversial.rick_chasey said:
It’s quite basic. If you don’t *have* to be in work and you can do the job fine for a day or two at home, save everyone else the grief.TheBigBean said:
So if they're not ill enough to be concerned about then you shouldn't have any concern about contracting what they have?kingstongraham said:
If they're ill enough to need my concern they shouldn't be in work.TheBigBean said:
No concern for the sick person, just concern for themselves.kingstongraham said:
Why? Maybe they don't like catching infectious diseases.TheBigBean said:
Finally, a pet hate of mine is people who when they find out someone is sick immediately react with "stay away from me".
Obviously this only goes for infectious diseases.
It’s not complicated.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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It really doesn't bother me if someone else is sick. Happy to be the same office, same meeting room or same home. Happy to help them if they are struggling too.0
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Because you think that doesn’t mean others will.TheBigBean said:It really doesn't bother me if someone else is sick. Happy to be the same office, same meeting room or same home. Happy to help them if they are struggling too.
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Yeah, it's never bothered me in the past. No question, though, Covid has changed that for people, obviously.TheBigBean said:It really doesn't bother me if someone else is sick. Happy to be the same office, same meeting room or same home. Happy to help them if they are struggling too.
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It would generally be something that they can drag themselves around while suffering from, but would stop me from cycling.TheBigBean said:
So if they're not ill enough to be concerned about then you shouldn't have any concern about contracting what they have?kingstongraham said:
If they're ill enough to need my concern they shouldn't be in work.TheBigBean said:
No concern for the sick person, just concern for themselves.kingstongraham said:
Why? Maybe they don't like catching infectious diseases.TheBigBean said:
Finally, a pet hate of mine is people who when they find out someone is sick immediately react with "stay away from me".
Obviously this only goes for infectious diseases.0 -
Isn't this just saying, effectively, because you *might* have already spready it, there's no point in trying not to? Isn't it also suggesting that unless you can stop spreading it entirely, there's no point in trying to spread it less?focuszing723 said:I don't think it would stop the spreading of colds, though. A lot of the time people are infectious, but don't really know if it's a cold or not at that point. Hayfever, for example can often be confused with a cold.
Sorry, but this is similar reasoning to anti-vaxxers who point to people in hospital with covid as evidence that they might as well not bother. Or to people who spready covid less because they've been vaccinated, but because they spread it a bit, they might as well not bother.
I'm in the ffs it isn't controversial camp.0 -
Hardly, Covid is a different kettle of virus. As I've also said, Covid had changed people's attitude recently.First.Aspect said:
Isn't this just saying, effectively, because you *might* have already spready it, there's no point in trying not to? Isn't it also suggesting that unless you can stop spreading it entirely, there's no point in trying to spread it less?focuszing723 said:I don't think it would stop the spreading of colds, though. A lot of the time people are infectious, but don't really know if it's a cold or not at that point. Hayfever, for example can often be confused with a cold.
Sorry, but this is similar reasoning to anti-vaxxers who point to people in hospital with covid as evidence that they might as well not bother. Or to people who spready covid less because they've been vaccinated, but because they spread it a bit, they might as well not bother.
I'm in the ffs it isn't controversial camp.0 -
Not yours though, as far as I can tell.focuszing723 said:
Hardly, Covid is a different kettle of virus. As I've also said, Covid had changed people's attitude recently.First.Aspect said:
Isn't this just saying, effectively, because you *might* have already spready it, there's no point in trying not to? Isn't it also suggesting that unless you can stop spreading it entirely, there's no point in trying to spread it less?focuszing723 said:I don't think it would stop the spreading of colds, though. A lot of the time people are infectious, but don't really know if it's a cold or not at that point. Hayfever, for example can often be confused with a cold.
Sorry, but this is similar reasoning to anti-vaxxers who point to people in hospital with covid as evidence that they might as well not bother. Or to people who spready covid less because they've been vaccinated, but because they spread it a bit, they might as well not bother.
I'm in the ffs it isn't controversial camp.
Point is, it is the exact same reasoning, albeit applied to the concept of giving someone a really shit week's worth of a cold, vs. potentially killing them. Guess it comes down to how much you feel responsible for your effect on others.0 -
Yes, opinions differ. I'd go even further, the people who moan that they might get sick annoy me far more than the sick people, especially as the moaners rarely get infected by the sick, but moan about it constantly.rick_chasey said:
Because you think that doesn’t mean others will.TheBigBean said:It really doesn't bother me if someone else is sick. Happy to be the same office, same meeting room or same home. Happy to help them if they are struggling too.
Ultimately, it will be determined by the majority view.1 -
Health authorities are investigating BA.2, a lineage of the Omicron variant, after it was found to have caused hundreds of coronavirus cases in England.
Some 426 cases of the new sub-variant have been identified in England, with 146 in London and 97 in the South East, the UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) said. This compares with the previous total of 53 cases detected up until 10 January.
Unlike the original Omicron variant, which accounts for the majority of cases in the UK, BA.2 does not have the specific mutation that was used to first track and compare it against Delta last month.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/covid-new-subvariant-ba2-uk-b1998517.html
In reality, I'm being cautious. I don't think it's a good thing, people will start to become complacent if/when a new more serious/evasive variant crops up.0 -
I suppose we shouldn't be surprised there's a bit of an uptick in school-age cases. I think it's mostly in the youngest ones, rather than secondary schools...
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I don't. I just expect them to express some sympathy before worrying about themselves.Pross said:TheBigBean said:I'd much prefer someone with a cold came into the office than an increased workload.
The majority of colds are spread by touch, so we all have the option to wash hands more to protect ourselves.
In any case, the spread of covid shows that most people will contract viruses irrespective of social distancing. The speed of spread is slowed, but the overall numbers who get sick doesn't change, so unless colds rip through workplaces so much they can't operate, isolation seems pointless.
Finally, a pet hate of mine is people who when they find out someone is sick immediately react with "stay away from me".
I understand most of that except the last paragraph. Why would you want someone who is sick getting close to you?
Out of interest to all those who aren't bothered about people going into the office with colds, do you feel the same to people coming in with a stomach bug? If not why would you differentiate?
FWIW I do go in with cold as they are just too frequent to take time off every time you get one but as I've been set up to work from home for much of the past 20 years I do so whenever possible. It also means if I'm feeling particularly rough I can rest up for a bit then carry on. Excluding a 5 day period recovering from donating bone marrow I suspect I've had less than 10 days off sick in 32 years working and when I think about 'throwing a sicky' think of the extra pressure I'm putting on others.
Re. stomach bugs, I have mostly the same view except that they tend to be much shorter and disruptive, so it is probably best for a vomiting person to stay at home. Also, schools and nurseries worry about norovirus which is very contagious. In general though, provided I'm not been vomited on, I'm ok.0 -
The same virus affects some people more than others plus someone might be living alone whilst another might share a house with vulnerable people.TheBigBean said:
So if they're not ill enough to be concerned about then you shouldn't have any concern about contracting what they have?kingstongraham said:
If they're ill enough to need my concern they shouldn't be in work.TheBigBean said:
No concern for the sick person, just concern for themselves.kingstongraham said:
Why? Maybe they don't like catching infectious diseases.TheBigBean said:
Finally, a pet hate of mine is people who when they find out someone is sick immediately react with "stay away from me".
Obviously this only goes for infectious diseases.
Also, people can't help saying this even on calls far away from the infected person.0 -
TheBigBean said:
I don't. I just expect them to express some sympathy before worrying about themselves.
If you're ill enough to want sympathy, you should have stayed at home. My sympathy will be in shorter measure if someone has come into my working space to share their virus with me.
I do find your point of view rather bizarre. You seem to be tying yourself in knots trying to justify knowingly risking infecting other people.1 -
Sometimes I'm just the observer.briantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:I don't. I just expect them to express some sympathy before worrying about themselves.
If you're ill enough to want sympathy, you should have stayed at home. My sympathy will be in shorter measure if someone has come into my working space to share their virus with me.
I do find your point of view rather bizarre. You seem to be tying yourself in knots trying to justify knowingly risking infecting other people.0 -
First flight into Kiribati for 10 months and 36 passengers (two thirds of the flight) have tested positive meaning they are now in lockdown for the first time. They'd had 2 cases in total until now. Not sure how so many infected people managed to get on a flight.0
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This hypothetical illness really has garnered a few pages.0
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We know it takes time to monitor a variant. With Omicron, the time it took to realize it was of concern it had already spread around the World. Consequently, isn't it a good idea to be reasonably cautious if/when it happens again.john80 said:This hypothetical illness really has garnered a few pages.
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Looks like infections are picking up sharply in schools, putting a brake on the rapid decline... just as they are removing the mask mandate for classrooms. Great timing.0
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What would you prefer?briantrumpet said:Looks like infections are picking up sharply in schools, putting a brake on the rapid decline... just as they are removing the mask mandate for classrooms. Great timing.
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rick_chasey said:
yes I personally know 5 under 5s who have it.
Given that even on the most aggressive vaccination programmes under-5s aren't being vaccinated, I suppose it's inevitable with omicron.0 -
Interestingly, I’ve read that the reason South Africa picked up Omicron is because they have first class gene sequencing expertise, developed due to HIV research there. Ifocuszing723 said:
We know it takes time to monitor a variant. With Omicron, the time it took to realize it was of concern it had already spread around the World. Consequently, isn't it a good idea to be reasonably cautious if/when it happens again.john80 said:This hypothetical illness really has garnered a few pages.
“Picked up” as in detected0 -
Eldest's head teacher has just sent out a message to say that while masks aren't mandatory they still strongly recommend they be worn in classrooms and corridors.briantrumpet said:rick_chasey said:yes I personally know 5 under 5s who have it.
Given that even on the most aggressive vaccination programmes under-5s aren't being vaccinated, I suppose it's inevitable with omicron.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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rjsterry said:
Eldest's head teacher has just sent out a message to say that while masks aren't mandatory they still strongly recommend they be worn in classrooms and corridors.briantrumpet said:rick_chasey said:yes I personally know 5 under 5s who have it.
Given that even on the most aggressive vaccination programmes under-5s aren't being vaccinated, I suppose it's inevitable with omicron.
I suppose it depends on the age of the kids but I can't see that lasting long even with little ones.
My prediction is that this time mask use in public places is pretty much going to dwindle to next to nothing.
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