The big Coronavirus thread
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Difficult but not impossible. I've only ever had one 'ping' off the Covid app in two years.TheBigBean said:
It would be impossible to determine.rjsterry said:
Or perhaps more effectively than you think. I've not seen any suggestion of significant outbreaks from use of the tube.TheBigBean said:
Not very effectively.kingstongraham said:
Also - most people do wear masks on the tube.rjsterry said:
I think you massively underestimate the difference between a mechanically ventilated train carriage in which you spend, maybe 15 minutes and a couple of hours in a stuffy pub.TheBigBean said:
I think it is a high risk activity. The doors open every couple of mins, yes, but people sit there for decent lengths time in close proximity to many others. Unless the window between carriages is open and providing ventilation, I can't think of much more risky than a crowded pub.rjsterry said:
Let's look at it the other way around. Is a vigorously ventilated tube system in which people spend relatively short periods of time likely to be where a significant number of infections occur? I'd suggest not, especially compared to meeting someone in a building at the end of the journey.TheBigBean said:
On surfaces which is consistent with the understanding that it is hard to get covid by touching surfaces. Not related to masks and the person next to you breathing.rjsterry said:
TfL have published a number of reports showing that they have not been able to detect viral material on the tube network. Anecdotally, I have been using PT regularly since early summer 2020 for site visits and commuting to the office and have still avoided it as far as I know.TheBigBean said:1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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that is because everybody else has turned it offrjsterry said:
Difficult but not impossible. I've only ever had one 'ping' off the Covid app in two years.TheBigBean said:
It would be impossible to determine.rjsterry said:
Or perhaps more effectively than you think. I've not seen any suggestion of significant outbreaks from use of the tube.TheBigBean said:
Not very effectively.kingstongraham said:
Also - most people do wear masks on the tube.rjsterry said:
I think you massively underestimate the difference between a mechanically ventilated train carriage in which you spend, maybe 15 minutes and a couple of hours in a stuffy pub.TheBigBean said:
I think it is a high risk activity. The doors open every couple of mins, yes, but people sit there for decent lengths time in close proximity to many others. Unless the window between carriages is open and providing ventilation, I can't think of much more risky than a crowded pub.rjsterry said:
Let's look at it the other way around. Is a vigorously ventilated tube system in which people spend relatively short periods of time likely to be where a significant number of infections occur? I'd suggest not, especially compared to meeting someone in a building at the end of the journey.TheBigBean said:
On surfaces which is consistent with the understanding that it is hard to get covid by touching surfaces. Not related to masks and the person next to you breathing.rjsterry said:
TfL have published a number of reports showing that they have not been able to detect viral material on the tube network. Anecdotally, I have been using PT regularly since early summer 2020 for site visits and commuting to the office and have still avoided it as far as I know.TheBigBean said:0 -
Agree with BB, not sure how you arrive at that conclusion. For me its when I am most likely to be in close proximity with a lot of other people in an enclosed space on a regular basis.rjsterry said:
A bit weird when the tube is probably where you are least likely to catch it/spread it.Stevo_666 said:Looks like my mask wearing will be down to a few tube journeys a week in a few days time.
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Agree with this. I never really understood the faith in the 15 minute exposure anyway. It's a statistical thing - you might not inhale any/enough or it might not enter your system the first time, but if you take 1000 breaths the odds go up.Stevo_666 said:
Agree with BB, not sure how you arrive at that conclusion. For me its when I am most likely to be in close proximity with a lot of other people in an enclosed space on a regular basis.rjsterry said:
A bit weird when the tube is probably where you are least likely to catch it/spread it.Stevo_666 said:Looks like my mask wearing will be down to a few tube journeys a week in a few days time.
Individual random unprotected sexual encounters uncommonly result in pregnancy or STD, but try enough times...0 -
Clearly not as it was very recently.surrey_commuter said:
that is because everybody else has turned it offrjsterry said:
Difficult but not impossible. I've only ever had one 'ping' off the Covid app in two years.TheBigBean said:
It would be impossible to determine.rjsterry said:
Or perhaps more effectively than you think. I've not seen any suggestion of significant outbreaks from use of the tube.TheBigBean said:
Not very effectively.kingstongraham said:
Also - most people do wear masks on the tube.rjsterry said:
I think you massively underestimate the difference between a mechanically ventilated train carriage in which you spend, maybe 15 minutes and a couple of hours in a stuffy pub.TheBigBean said:
I think it is a high risk activity. The doors open every couple of mins, yes, but people sit there for decent lengths time in close proximity to many others. Unless the window between carriages is open and providing ventilation, I can't think of much more risky than a crowded pub.rjsterry said:
Let's look at it the other way around. Is a vigorously ventilated tube system in which people spend relatively short periods of time likely to be where a significant number of infections occur? I'd suggest not, especially compared to meeting someone in a building at the end of the journey.TheBigBean said:
On surfaces which is consistent with the understanding that it is hard to get covid by touching surfaces. Not related to masks and the person next to you breathing.rjsterry said:
TfL have published a number of reports showing that they have not been able to detect viral material on the tube network. Anecdotally, I have been using PT regularly since early summer 2020 for site visits and commuting to the office and have still avoided it as far as I know.TheBigBean said:1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Flights are annoyingly expensive in the post covid world.
Quarantine is also annoying. I'm losing my sanity.0 -
TheBigBean said:
Flights are annoyingly expensive in the post covid world.
Quarantine is also annoying. I'm losing my sanity.
Not the ones I've been booking - £49 return to Lyon. I probably ought to be saving the planet and refusing to fly, but, yes, I'm a hypocrite.0 -
Sure. I flew to Dublin for £25 return + Ryanair suffering. That was a bargain. Long haul for the summer is proving to be less of a bargain.briantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:Flights are annoyingly expensive in the post covid world.
Quarantine is also annoying. I'm losing my sanity.
Not the ones I've been booking - £49 return to Lyon. I probably ought to be saving the planet and refusing to fly, but, yes, I'm a hypocrite.0 -
TheBigBean said:
Sure. I flew to Dublin for £25 return + Ryanair suffering. That was a bargain. Long haul for the summer is proving to be less of a bargain.briantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:Flights are annoyingly expensive in the post covid world.
Quarantine is also annoying. I'm losing my sanity.
Not the ones I've been booking - £49 return to Lyon. I probably ought to be saving the planet and refusing to fly, but, yes, I'm a hypocrite.
Especially in school holiday time, I guess. I know not to look at the Bristol-Lyon route in Feb half term, as the prices increase tenfold. Literally.0 -
Quarantine is awfulTheBigBean said:Flights are annoyingly expensive in the post covid world.
Quarantine is also annoying. I'm losing my sanity.- Genesis Croix de Fer
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Some articles for the doubters. Underground trains are continually mechanically ventilated by fan, as well as opening doors every couple of minutes.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160412021003998
https://foi.tfl.gov.uk/FOI-0219-2122/LU%20train%20ventilation%20rates.pdf
That’s 9l/s per passenger at full crush load.
Let's say a pub has a floor area of 100m2 and a 3m ceiling height and is as full as a tube train crush load at 7people /m2. That's 700 people. How many pubs do you know that have ventilation system that can get 6.3m3 of air per second in and out? In other words completely replace all the air in the pub every 47 seconds. That is quite a drafty pub or restaurant or office.
To be clear, I'm sure someone has caught Covid while on the tube, I just don't think it's as risky as suggested.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Long haul in the summer isn't as affected so much usually (perhaps depends where). It's one of the reasons I don't see the point of European holidays, but I posted that view on the unpopular opinion threads.briantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:
Sure. I flew to Dublin for £25 return + Ryanair suffering. That was a bargain. Long haul for the summer is proving to be less of a bargain.briantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:Flights are annoyingly expensive in the post covid world.
Quarantine is also annoying. I'm losing my sanity.
Not the ones I've been booking - £49 return to Lyon. I probably ought to be saving the planet and refusing to fly, but, yes, I'm a hypocrite.
Especially in school holiday time, I guess. I know not to look at the Bristol-Lyon route in Feb half term, as the prices increase tenfold. Literally.
Flights are just as expensive outside that period at the moment.0 -
TheBigBean said:
Long haul in the summer isn't as affected so much usually (perhaps depends where). It's one of the reasons I don't see the point of European holidays, but I posted that view on the unpopular opinion threads.briantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:
Sure. I flew to Dublin for £25 return + Ryanair suffering. That was a bargain. Long haul for the summer is proving to be less of a bargain.briantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:Flights are annoyingly expensive in the post covid world.
Quarantine is also annoying. I'm losing my sanity.
Not the ones I've been booking - £49 return to Lyon. I probably ought to be saving the planet and refusing to fly, but, yes, I'm a hypocrite.
Especially in school holiday time, I guess. I know not to look at the Bristol-Lyon route in Feb half term, as the prices increase tenfold. Literally.
Flights are just as expensive outside that period at the moment.
OK. I never look at long haul flights, so am blissfully unaware of their prices or fluctuations. Still gutted that there are no Exeter to Paris flights, since the demise of Flybe (I used to cycle to the airport). That's the limit of my travel ambitions.0 -
Ah. 😬. Not in HK, I hope.TheBigBean said:Flights are annoyingly expensive in the post covid world.
Quarantine is also annoying. I'm losing my sanity.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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No. Stuck at home. A place I'm quite familar with after the last two years.rjsterry said:
Ah. 😬. Not in HK, I hope.TheBigBean said:Flights are annoyingly expensive in the post covid world.
Quarantine is also annoying. I'm losing my sanity.0 -
TheBigBean said:
No. Stuck at home. A place I'm quite familar with after the last two years.rjsterry said:
Ah. 😬. Not in HK, I hope.TheBigBean said:Flights are annoyingly expensive in the post covid world.
Quarantine is also annoying. I'm losing my sanity.
I must admit that an hour of turbo a day during my post-2020-holiday quarantine wasn't the most boring part of the day.0 -
Not to mention there is no fraternal convivial spirit amongst the passengers.Stevo_666 said:
Agree with BB, not sure how you arrive at that conclusion. For me its when I am most likely to be in close proximity with a lot of other people in an enclosed space on a regular basis.rjsterry said:
A bit weird when the tube is probably where you are least likely to catch it/spread it.Stevo_666 said:Looks like my mask wearing will be down to a few tube journeys a week in a few days time.
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Honkers as it's known in trendy City circles.rjsterry said:
Ah. 😬. Not in HK, I hope.TheBigBean said:Flights are annoyingly expensive in the post covid world.
Quarantine is also annoying. I'm losing my sanity.0 -
Pross said:
Honkers as it's known in trendy City circles.rjsterry said:
Ah. 😬. Not in HK, I hope.TheBigBean said:Flights are annoyingly expensive in the post covid world.
Quarantine is also annoying. I'm losing my sanity.
Or Konkers?0 -
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A colleague went back to see her family in HK over Christmas. 17 days in a single hotel room; not allowed out of the room under any circumstances. And that's if you test negative on arrival.TheBigBean said:
No. Stuck at home. A place I'm quite familar with after the last two years.rjsterry said:
Ah. 😬. Not in HK, I hope.TheBigBean said:Flights are annoyingly expensive in the post covid world.
Quarantine is also annoying. I'm losing my sanity.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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rjsterry said:
A colleague went back to see her family in HK over Christmas. 17 days in a single hotel room; not allowed out of the room under any circumstances. And that's if you test negative on arrival.TheBigBean said:
No. Stuck at home. A place I'm quite familar with after the last two years.rjsterry said:
Ah. 😬. Not in HK, I hope.TheBigBean said:Flights are annoyingly expensive in the post covid world.
Quarantine is also annoying. I'm losing my sanity.
I can't now see a zero-covid policy being tenable much longer, with how transmissible omicron is. It's going to be interesting with China and the Winter Olympics. Omicron's impact is going to be even worse in areas that have used the Sinovac and Sputnik vaccines, as it appears they dont offer the same protection against infection hospitalisation as the mRNA ones... and with no acquired immunity, it could get spicy.0 -
This may stir a bit of debate.
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Man requires heart replacement.
Man told he will need prior vaccinations and boosters (amongst other actions) to increase successful recovery likelihood.
Man refuses to get vaccinated.
Man is refused heart replacement.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60132765The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
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Interesting the hospital’s statement mentions “lifestyle choices”, so something else he gets up to is also a factor here.
But quite why he wouldn’t stop being a pr!ck and just get vaccinated is beyond me. Darwinism at its finest.0 -
I mean we don't know - maybe if that was the deal breaker he would have. I don't like the idea of denying medical care because of vaccination status but in this case I guess with limited numbers of donor organs, the huge short and long term costs of treatment and the dangers of Covid to the immunocompromised it's fair enough.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0
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He is going to be upset when he sees the box of drugs they wheel out for him to take every day post transplant. All that dodgy medicine and all that.DeVlaeminck said:I mean we don't know - maybe if that was the deal breaker he would have. I don't like the idea of denying medical care because of vaccination status but in this case I guess with limited numbers of donor organs, the huge short and long term costs of treatment and the dangers of Covid to the immunocompromised it's fair enough.
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There’s one massive problem with his logic there though. It’s not just about when the victims have died, it’s (crucially ) also about the numbers of deaths. The numbers of deaths are down significantly with this new variant, so actually that blows his argument to pieces. This is why I pay little attention to ‘experts’ who’s only portal is YouTube.focuszing723 said:Ncovidius said:So here we are. The virus has behaved as a virus does. It’s become less dangerous over time, but more transmissible. The medics should have listened to the saffers when they said that omicron wasn’t wiping out the shantytowns, which meant it must have been less dangerous. Thank Christ Boris didn’t hit the nuclear switch ( unlike the rest of the U.K.). Right time for all the wet wipes to come out from under their blankets and crack on with normal life again.
focuszing723 said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ss1LSwjtrhA
Still positive news in terms of how mild omicron is with regards data from South Africa.
One concerning point is raised towards the end though, because people who unfortunately die (lung complications) occur towards the end of the infectious period, the virus at that point has already had ample time to spread and moved on. This consequently means there is no evolutionary motive for Covid not to kill it's host, where is the advantage/disadvantage if the virus has already spread?
In other words strains could become milder or stronger. I hope this is proved to be wrong (click to jump to point in the video).
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