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  • Jezyboy
    Jezyboy Posts: 3,605
    I guess there's different levels of lab leak/man made theory.

    Ranging from clumsy scientist, to deliberate act of war, all the way to bizzare nwo stuff.

  • kingstonian
    kingstonian Posts: 2,847

    pangolin said:

    Another press conference scheduled at 5pm

    Early close of at least some schools, to give "isolation" time before Xmas dinner with extended family?
    Can’t be much earlier, they are mostly due to close on Friday.

    If they were to close from today my eldest wouldn’t be too upset - his final GCSE mock exam is on Thursday which he’d happily miss.
  • N0bodyOfTheGoat
    N0bodyOfTheGoat Posts: 6,057
    edited December 2021

    pangolin said:

    Another press conference scheduled at 5pm

    Early close of at least some schools, to give "isolation" time before Xmas dinner with extended family?
    Can’t be much earlier, they are mostly due to close on Friday.

    If they were to close from today my eldest wouldn’t be too upset - his final GCSE mock exam is on Thursday which he’d happily miss.
    Oh, maybe not then, you'd never guess I don't have kids.
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  • https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-59664383

    What’s the betting this will be the anchor drop?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    NHS England chief executive:

    At the moment the indications are it could be as big or even bigger than the previous wave this time last year.



    Those tory anti-restrictions lot might be looking very sheepish in two months. Let's hope not, for everyone's sake.
  • pangolin said:

    Another press conference scheduled at 5pm

    It’s becoming the government’s equivalent of an advent calendar.
    Each day up to Christmas, instead of a chocolate, we get a new rule or restriction.
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,916
    78,610 new cases announced today.
  • Well it has escalated a bit quickly in London.


  • That is savage.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,916

    Well it has escalated a bit quickly in London.


    It's easy to see why. Every time I walk past an office/pub/restaurant full of people, I think it now just takes one person to have Omicron and the majority in there are likely to get it.

    1/3 of the staff tested positive last weekend at my son's school. Perhaps they had a super spreading Christmas party, but it is a lot in one go.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Yikes, they're crazy numbers. Biggest daily infection.
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,354

    Hmm, now trying to work out how I can make France travel work for Christmas.

    Looks like I can take a (paid for) lateral flow test to get into France, a (paid for) LFT to fly back (I can take the test out with me, and register the test via an app for approval), but the sticking point might be the Day 2 PCR test, as I'm due to arrive back on NYE in the evening, and though I can do the test as soon as I get back (don't have to wait till the third day now), I'm not sure how long it would take to get it processed.

    Any thoughts/ruses?


    My brother is kind of in the same situation, though he goes out this Friday and comes back on either Mon or Tues next week (can’t remember which) and needs to be back in work ASAP. I expect the labs are working 24 hrs a day, 365 days a year but don’t know for sure. I saw in another message you mentioned maybe dropping the sample off at the lab - if they are going to be able to accept it i.e. it won’t just sit on a security guard’s desk for a couple of days then that looks like a great option.

    Good luck, I hope it works out ok for you. Please report back on how it goes.

    Phoned the lab direct, and they are indeed 24/7, 365 days a year, and collect from their dropbox every 30 minutes. I've even been able to see the box, as she described, on Google Streetview. Just a 5-minute diversion of the M5 on my way home.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    So...we're doing the Swedish model after all
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    Ncovidius said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-59664383

    What’s the betting this will be the anchor drop?

    Why don't you talk properly..?

  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,354

    Why don't you talk properly..?

    GAR (got a reaction).


    I still don't understand why people react to bilge.

  • kingstonian
    kingstonian Posts: 2,847

    Hmm, now trying to work out how I can make France travel work for Christmas.

    Looks like I can take a (paid for) lateral flow test to get into France, a (paid for) LFT to fly back (I can take the test out with me, and register the test via an app for approval), but the sticking point might be the Day 2 PCR test, as I'm due to arrive back on NYE in the evening, and though I can do the test as soon as I get back (don't have to wait till the third day now), I'm not sure how long it would take to get it processed.

    Any thoughts/ruses?


    My brother is kind of in the same situation, though he goes out this Friday and comes back on either Mon or Tues next week (can’t remember which) and needs to be back in work ASAP. I expect the labs are working 24 hrs a day, 365 days a year but don’t know for sure. I saw in another message you mentioned maybe dropping the sample off at the lab - if they are going to be able to accept it i.e. it won’t just sit on a security guard’s desk for a couple of days then that looks like a great option.

    Good luck, I hope it works out ok for you. Please report back on how it goes.

    Phoned the lab direct, and they are indeed 24/7, 365 days a year, and collect from their dropbox every 30 minutes. I've even been able to see the box, as she described, on Google Streetview. Just a 5-minute diversion of the M5 on my way home.

    That sounds like a great outcome for you.
  • kingstonian
    kingstonian Posts: 2,847

    NHS England chief executive:

    At the moment the indications are it could be as big or even bigger than the previous wave this time last year.



    Those tory anti-restrictions lot might be looking very sheepish in two months. Let's hope not, for everyone's sake.

    Lib Dems too
  • kingstonian
    kingstonian Posts: 2,847
    656.7K booster doses administered yesterday - numbers are ramping up
  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,227
    What I have not seen is age breakdown of the infections spike. If is schoolkids (bugs of all sorts superspreaders, partic primary ages) and students, then ain't the 'vulnerables' so... Yes they can spread it to grandparents, but they'll be triple vacced won't they? And if those are vaccine refuseniks then xxxx them.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661

    NHS England chief executive:

    At the moment the indications are it could be as big or even bigger than the previous wave this time last year.



    Those tory anti-restrictions lot might be looking very sheepish in two months. Let's hope not, for everyone's sake.

    Lib Dems too
    Quite.
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,354

    Hmm, now trying to work out how I can make France travel work for Christmas.

    Looks like I can take a (paid for) lateral flow test to get into France, a (paid for) LFT to fly back (I can take the test out with me, and register the test via an app for approval), but the sticking point might be the Day 2 PCR test, as I'm due to arrive back on NYE in the evening, and though I can do the test as soon as I get back (don't have to wait till the third day now), I'm not sure how long it would take to get it processed.

    Any thoughts/ruses?


    My brother is kind of in the same situation, though he goes out this Friday and comes back on either Mon or Tues next week (can’t remember which) and needs to be back in work ASAP. I expect the labs are working 24 hrs a day, 365 days a year but don’t know for sure. I saw in another message you mentioned maybe dropping the sample off at the lab - if they are going to be able to accept it i.e. it won’t just sit on a security guard’s desk for a couple of days then that looks like a great option.

    Good luck, I hope it works out ok for you. Please report back on how it goes.

    Phoned the lab direct, and they are indeed 24/7, 365 days a year, and collect from their dropbox every 30 minutes. I've even been able to see the box, as she described, on Google Streetview. Just a 5-minute diversion of the M5 on my way home.

    That sounds like a great outcome for you.

    Yes... just as long as I keep covid-free before then! That's with Zavamed & Synlab. I'm taking the test away with me so I can do it in the airport, or car, as soon as I get back into the UK. Might be worth your brother seeing if there's anything like that his way, if he's not already sorted.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661

    656.7K booster doses administered yesterday - numbers are ramping up

    bUt VaCcInE PasSpOrTs DoNt Do AnYtHiNg
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    This was the bit that I think has really been misreported on.

    The first caution on this is simply a numerical one - if the rate of hospitalisation were to halve but you’re doubling every two days, in two days you’re back to where you were before you actually had the hospitalisation.

    If the peak of this is twice as great, then halving of the size of the hospitalisation rate, you still end up in the same place. And this peak is going very fast.

    The second point I wanted to make, which I’m not sure it’s fully been absorbed by everybody, is that the amount of immunity in South Africa for this wave - because of a prior Delta wave and vaccination - is far higher than it was for their last wave. And therefore the fact that there is a lower hospitalisation rate is unsurprising.
  • I expect most of you have seen this, but if you haven’t it’s worth 5 minutes of your time.
    AC12 are on the “Partygate” case.


    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • kingstonian
    kingstonian Posts: 2,847

    Hmm, now trying to work out how I can make France travel work for Christmas.

    Looks like I can take a (paid for) lateral flow test to get into France, a (paid for) LFT to fly back (I can take the test out with me, and register the test via an app for approval), but the sticking point might be the Day 2 PCR test, as I'm due to arrive back on NYE in the evening, and though I can do the test as soon as I get back (don't have to wait till the third day now), I'm not sure how long it would take to get it processed.

    Any thoughts/ruses?


    My brother is kind of in the same situation, though he goes out this Friday and comes back on either Mon or Tues next week (can’t remember which) and needs to be back in work ASAP. I expect the labs are working 24 hrs a day, 365 days a year but don’t know for sure. I saw in another message you mentioned maybe dropping the sample off at the lab - if they are going to be able to accept it i.e. it won’t just sit on a security guard’s desk for a couple of days then that looks like a great option.

    Good luck, I hope it works out ok for you. Please report back on how it goes.

    Phoned the lab direct, and they are indeed 24/7, 365 days a year, and collect from their dropbox every 30 minutes. I've even been able to see the box, as she described, on Google Streetview. Just a 5-minute diversion of the M5 on my way home.

    That sounds like a great outcome for you.

    Yes... just as long as I keep covid-free before then! That's with Zavamed & Synlab. I'm taking the test away with me so I can do it in the airport, or car, as soon as I get back into the UK. Might be worth your brother seeing if there's anything like that his way, if he's not already sorted.

    Yes, I’m chatting with him later, will mention what you’ve discovered.
  • NHS England chief executive:

    At the moment the indications are it could be as big or even bigger than the previous wave this time last year.



    Those tory anti-restrictions lot might be looking very sheepish in two months. Let's hope not, for everyone's sake.

    Lib Dems too
    Quite.
    They would have voted for a restriction that would have worked.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    edited December 2021

    656.7K booster doses administered yesterday - numbers are ramping up

    bUt VaCcInE PasSpOrTs DoNt Do AnYtHiNg
    Everyone who gets a booster would have been OK for the covid pass without it.

    I think people are getting boosted mostly because there's a nasty virus about.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436

    656.7K booster doses administered yesterday - numbers are ramping up

    bUt VaCcInE PasSpOrTs DoNt Do AnYtHiNg
    Everyone who gets a booster would have been OK for the covid pass without it.

    I think people are getting boosted mostly because there's a nasty virus about.
    I suspect that's also the reason people are cancelling stuff

    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661

    656.7K booster doses administered yesterday - numbers are ramping up

    bUt VaCcInE PasSpOrTs DoNt Do AnYtHiNg
    Everyone who gets a booster would have been OK for the covid pass without it.

    I think people are getting boosted mostly because there's a nasty virus about.
    I suspect that's also the reason people are cancelling stuff

    Lockdown but without the treasury being on the hook.

    Went out for a drink tonight (suspect it’ll be the last time for a while) and I cycle past a lot of restaurants and they were all almost empty.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,916
    Covid passport at football update. Wasn't checked nor was it clear who should be doing the checking. Chap seated next to me was checked when he arrived earlier, but when he started to open his NHS app, the checker asked if he just had the card as that would be good enough.

    Bit of wine and cheese compliance then.