The big Coronavirus thread
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surrey_commuter said:
It is curious that days ago the Govt was singing this song yet now they are sending text messages telling people to cancel their 12 week appointment and get it done ASAPballysmate said:
Out of curiosity, why did you do that, given that the clinical evidence for thebriantrumpet said:Thanks to a heads-up from a friend, I just cancelled my 2nd jab on 9 June and rebooked for tomorrow at the same centre, a nice 6 mile ride from home. Mind you, it might be piddling down, given the forecast...
COVID-19 AstraZeneca vaccine shows better efficacy following a 12-week gap?
If they had a history of competence I would be terrified at what they are seeing that has caused them to censored themselves so badly.
My guess is that they are not short of AZ shots or capacity at vaccination centres for the next two or three weeks, and if they can bring those forward from the beginning of June, that creates capacity at that time for whatever opportunities there are then, AZ or otherwise. My other guess is that there isn't much of a difference in overall efficacy between an 8- or 12-week intra-dose interval, and that the incentive of being more fully-protected a few weeks earlier will be enough to get people like me to reschedule.0 -
The advice should surely change if things are about to be so bad they are rushing the extra doses out to get people double jabbed earlier.
Or they just have loads of az left over because the under 40s are getting the rolls royce jabs, in which case they should explain that.0 -
kingstongraham said:
The advice should surely change if things are about to be so bad they are rushing the extra doses out to get people double jabbed earlier.
Or they just have loads of az left over because the under 40s are getting the rolls royce jabs, in which case they should explain that.
This is one of those instances where I think a 'full explanation' wouldn't necessarily be helpful, especially if it led to any sort of (specific) vaccine hesitancy. Getting as many (whatever) jabs done as quickly as possible has proven its worth. Pretty much everything else is minor detail, and you don't want minor detail blurring the main point.0 -
I can't see why it would lead to hesitancy just saying "we have capacity now and there's no big difference between 8 and 11 weeks".briantrumpet said:kingstongraham said:The advice should surely change if things are about to be so bad they are rushing the extra doses out to get people double jabbed earlier.
Or they just have loads of az left over because the under 40s are getting the rolls royce jabs, in which case they should explain that.
This is one of those instances where I think a 'full explanation' wouldn't necessarily be helpful, especially if it led to any sort of (specific) vaccine hesitancy. Getting as many (whatever) jabs done as quickly as possible has proven its worth. Pretty much everything else is minor detail, and you don't want minor detail blurring the main point.
It's already supposed to be wide open for anyone who is going to get an az vaccine to get their first.0 -
True, that's fair enough, just if you go down the "offloading AZ shots because the others are marginally better/safer" route, it won't end well. How these things are messaged is both subtle and crucial, the aim remaining to get as many done asap, whatever the colour & exact timing.kingstongraham said:
I can't see why it would lead to hesitancy just saying "we have capacity now and there's no big difference between 8 and 11 weeks".briantrumpet said:kingstongraham said:The advice should surely change if things are about to be so bad they are rushing the extra doses out to get people double jabbed earlier.
Or they just have loads of az left over because the under 40s are getting the rolls royce jabs, in which case they should explain that.
This is one of those instances where I think a 'full explanation' wouldn't necessarily be helpful, especially if it led to any sort of (specific) vaccine hesitancy. Getting as many (whatever) jabs done as quickly as possible has proven its worth. Pretty much everything else is minor detail, and you don't want minor detail blurring the main point.
It's already supposed to be wide open for anyone who is going to get an az vaccine to get their first.0 -
How does 'subtle messaging' transcribe to 3 word Spaffershite?0
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He might still be stuck on "Wash. Your. Hands."orraloon said:How does 'subtle messaging' transcribe to 3 word Spaffershite?
Makes me wonder if he had mates geared up for producing hand sanitiser.0 -
This is my point, last week getting as many people vaccinated with one dose was the best idea ever and it was even pondered on here why no other country in the world had analysed our data and followed suit. Now we have abandoned that policy and are pursuing a 2nd dose as soon as possible policy.briantrumpet said:kingstongraham said:The advice should surely change if things are about to be so bad they are rushing the extra doses out to get people double jabbed earlier.
Or they just have loads of az left over because the under 40s are getting the rolls royce jabs, in which case they should explain that.
This is one of those instances where I think a 'full explanation' wouldn't necessarily be helpful, especially if it led to any sort of (specific) vaccine hesitancy. Getting as many (whatever) jabs done as quickly as possible has proven its worth. Pretty much everything else is minor detail, and you don't want minor detail blurring the main point.0 -
surrey_commuter said:
This is my point, last week getting as many people vaccinated with one dose was the best idea ever and it was even pondered on here why no other country in the world had analysed our data and followed suit. Now we have abandoned that policy and are pursuing a 2nd dose as soon as possible policy.briantrumpet said:kingstongraham said:The advice should surely change if things are about to be so bad they are rushing the extra doses out to get people double jabbed earlier.
Or they just have loads of az left over because the under 40s are getting the rolls royce jabs, in which case they should explain that.
This is one of those instances where I think a 'full explanation' wouldn't necessarily be helpful, especially if it led to any sort of (specific) vaccine hesitancy. Getting as many (whatever) jabs done as quickly as possible has proven its worth. Pretty much everything else is minor detail, and you don't want minor detail blurring the main point.
I don't think it's a 2nd-dose-asap policy - simply bring forward by two or three weeks those who were due early June, to clear the way for the youngsters such as RC.0 -
The official line is "to help protect the nation from the variant."briantrumpet said:surrey_commuter said:
This is my point, last week getting as many people vaccinated with one dose was the best idea ever and it was even pondered on here why no other country in the world had analysed our data and followed suit. Now we have abandoned that policy and are pursuing a 2nd dose as soon as possible policy.briantrumpet said:kingstongraham said:The advice should surely change if things are about to be so bad they are rushing the extra doses out to get people double jabbed earlier.
Or they just have loads of az left over because the under 40s are getting the rolls royce jabs, in which case they should explain that.
This is one of those instances where I think a 'full explanation' wouldn't necessarily be helpful, especially if it led to any sort of (specific) vaccine hesitancy. Getting as many (whatever) jabs done as quickly as possible has proven its worth. Pretty much everything else is minor detail, and you don't want minor detail blurring the main point.
I don't think it's a 2nd-dose-asap policy - simply bring forward by two or three weeks those who were due early June, to clear the way for the youngsters such as RC.0 -
kingstongraham said:
The official line is "to help protect the nation from the variant."briantrumpet said:surrey_commuter said:
This is my point, last week getting as many people vaccinated with one dose was the best idea ever and it was even pondered on here why no other country in the world had analysed our data and followed suit. Now we have abandoned that policy and are pursuing a 2nd dose as soon as possible policy.briantrumpet said:kingstongraham said:The advice should surely change if things are about to be so bad they are rushing the extra doses out to get people double jabbed earlier.
Or they just have loads of az left over because the under 40s are getting the rolls royce jabs, in which case they should explain that.
This is one of those instances where I think a 'full explanation' wouldn't necessarily be helpful, especially if it led to any sort of (specific) vaccine hesitancy. Getting as many (whatever) jabs done as quickly as possible has proven its worth. Pretty much everything else is minor detail, and you don't want minor detail blurring the main point.
I don't think it's a 2nd-dose-asap policy - simply bring forward by two or three weeks those who were due early June, to clear the way for the youngsters such as RC.
A very good reason. I don't think that undermines my point though, as it's clearing the decks for others, without risking extending the 12-week interval for those who have had one dose. There might be a bit of confusion about the messaging when things are moving fast, but I can't see a problem with the actual decision and implementation... I'll be off their waiting list in a few hours' time.
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In other news, the home test reporting site isn't working today.
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briantrumpet said:surrey_commuter said:
This is my point, last week getting as many people vaccinated with one dose was the best idea ever and it was even pondered on here why no other country in the world had analysed our data and followed suit. Now we have abandoned that policy and are pursuing a 2nd dose as soon as possible policy.briantrumpet said:kingstongraham said:The advice should surely change if things are about to be so bad they are rushing the extra doses out to get people double jabbed earlier.
Or they just have loads of az left over because the under 40s are getting the rolls royce jabs, in which case they should explain that.
This is one of those instances where I think a 'full explanation' wouldn't necessarily be helpful, especially if it led to any sort of (specific) vaccine hesitancy. Getting as many (whatever) jabs done as quickly as possible has proven its worth. Pretty much everything else is minor detail, and you don't want minor detail blurring the main point.
I don't think it's a 2nd-dose-asap policy - simply bring forward by two or three weeks those who were due early June, to clear the way for the youngsters such as RC.
Sorry, I am not understanding your explanation or the underlying thinking.briantrumpet said:surrey_commuter said:
This is my point, last week getting as many people vaccinated with one dose was the best idea ever and it was even pondered on here why no other country in the world had analysed our data and followed suit. Now we have abandoned that policy and are pursuing a 2nd dose as soon as possible policy.briantrumpet said:kingstongraham said:The advice should surely change if things are about to be so bad they are rushing the extra doses out to get people double jabbed earlier.
Or they just have loads of az left over because the under 40s are getting the rolls royce jabs, in which case they should explain that.
This is one of those instances where I think a 'full explanation' wouldn't necessarily be helpful, especially if it led to any sort of (specific) vaccine hesitancy. Getting as many (whatever) jabs done as quickly as possible has proven its worth. Pretty much everything else is minor detail, and you don't want minor detail blurring the main point.
I don't think it's a 2nd-dose-asap policy - simply bring forward by two or three weeks those who were due early June, to clear the way for the youngsters such as RC.
Why are they now prioritising 2nd doses over 1st dose.
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Short term (next month or so) this actually slows down the youngsters first jab though surely?briantrumpet said:surrey_commuter said:
This is my point, last week getting as many people vaccinated with one dose was the best idea ever and it was even pondered on here why no other country in the world had analysed our data and followed suit. Now we have abandoned that policy and are pursuing a 2nd dose as soon as possible policy.briantrumpet said:kingstongraham said:The advice should surely change if things are about to be so bad they are rushing the extra doses out to get people double jabbed earlier.
Or they just have loads of az left over because the under 40s are getting the rolls royce jabs, in which case they should explain that.
This is one of those instances where I think a 'full explanation' wouldn't necessarily be helpful, especially if it led to any sort of (specific) vaccine hesitancy. Getting as many (whatever) jabs done as quickly as possible has proven its worth. Pretty much everything else is minor detail, and you don't want minor detail blurring the main point.
I don't think it's a 2nd-dose-asap policy - simply bring forward by two or three weeks those who were due early June, to clear the way for the youngsters such as RC.- Genesis Croix de Fer
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surrey_commuter said:briantrumpet said:surrey_commuter said:
This is my point, last week getting as many people vaccinated with one dose was the best idea ever and it was even pondered on here why no other country in the world had analysed our data and followed suit. Now we have abandoned that policy and are pursuing a 2nd dose as soon as possible policy.briantrumpet said:kingstongraham said:The advice should surely change if things are about to be so bad they are rushing the extra doses out to get people double jabbed earlier.
Or they just have loads of az left over because the under 40s are getting the rolls royce jabs, in which case they should explain that.
This is one of those instances where I think a 'full explanation' wouldn't necessarily be helpful, especially if it led to any sort of (specific) vaccine hesitancy. Getting as many (whatever) jabs done as quickly as possible has proven its worth. Pretty much everything else is minor detail, and you don't want minor detail blurring the main point.
I don't think it's a 2nd-dose-asap policy - simply bring forward by two or three weeks those who were due early June, to clear the way for the youngsters such as RC.
Sorry, I am not understanding your explanation or the underlying thinking.briantrumpet said:surrey_commuter said:
This is my point, last week getting as many people vaccinated with one dose was the best idea ever and it was even pondered on here why no other country in the world had analysed our data and followed suit. Now we have abandoned that policy and are pursuing a 2nd dose as soon as possible policy.briantrumpet said:kingstongraham said:The advice should surely change if things are about to be so bad they are rushing the extra doses out to get people double jabbed earlier.
Or they just have loads of az left over because the under 40s are getting the rolls royce jabs, in which case they should explain that.
This is one of those instances where I think a 'full explanation' wouldn't necessarily be helpful, especially if it led to any sort of (specific) vaccine hesitancy. Getting as many (whatever) jabs done as quickly as possible has proven its worth. Pretty much everything else is minor detail, and you don't want minor detail blurring the main point.
I don't think it's a 2nd-dose-asap policy - simply bring forward by two or three weeks those who were due early June, to clear the way for the youngsters such as RC.
Why are they now prioritising 2nd doses over 1st dose.
Sending text messages on Sunday 16th May to shift somebody forwards from June 1st has a whiff of desperation
Big supply of AZ now, give it to those who are older, clear the decks of them and make sure of sufficient supplies and lots of capacity for administering Pfizer for the yoof straight after. Why have the oldies clogging up the system in a couple of weeks?
Just guessing, obvs.0 -
1st doses are no longer using AZ vaccine, so giving someone a second dose of AZ two weeks earlier doesn't delay the first doses.surrey_commuter said:briantrumpet said:surrey_commuter said:
This is my point, last week getting as many people vaccinated with one dose was the best idea ever and it was even pondered on here why no other country in the world had analysed our data and followed suit. Now we have abandoned that policy and are pursuing a 2nd dose as soon as possible policy.briantrumpet said:kingstongraham said:The advice should surely change if things are about to be so bad they are rushing the extra doses out to get people double jabbed earlier.
Or they just have loads of az left over because the under 40s are getting the rolls royce jabs, in which case they should explain that.
This is one of those instances where I think a 'full explanation' wouldn't necessarily be helpful, especially if it led to any sort of (specific) vaccine hesitancy. Getting as many (whatever) jabs done as quickly as possible has proven its worth. Pretty much everything else is minor detail, and you don't want minor detail blurring the main point.
I don't think it's a 2nd-dose-asap policy - simply bring forward by two or three weeks those who were due early June, to clear the way for the youngsters such as RC.
Sorry, I am not understanding your explanation or the underlying thinking.briantrumpet said:surrey_commuter said:
This is my point, last week getting as many people vaccinated with one dose was the best idea ever and it was even pondered on here why no other country in the world had analysed our data and followed suit. Now we have abandoned that policy and are pursuing a 2nd dose as soon as possible policy.briantrumpet said:kingstongraham said:The advice should surely change if things are about to be so bad they are rushing the extra doses out to get people double jabbed earlier.
Or they just have loads of az left over because the under 40s are getting the rolls royce jabs, in which case they should explain that.
This is one of those instances where I think a 'full explanation' wouldn't necessarily be helpful, especially if it led to any sort of (specific) vaccine hesitancy. Getting as many (whatever) jabs done as quickly as possible has proven its worth. Pretty much everything else is minor detail, and you don't want minor detail blurring the main point.
I don't think it's a 2nd-dose-asap policy - simply bring forward by two or three weeks those who were due early June, to clear the way for the youngsters such as RC.
Why are they now prioritising 2nd doses over 1st dose.
Sending text messages on Sunday 16th May to shift somebody forwards from June 1st has a whiff of desperation
In that case the trade off is slightly lower efficacy against slightly earlier deployment.
Throw in the plan for a September booster which will further increase the efficacy, and the plan looks ok.
Giving Pfizer doses earlier doesn't follow the same logic and is harder to explain, but I don't know how many people that applies to.
There is a rumour in one of the papers that the UK has a decent stockpile and is looking to increase to 800k/day.
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I've no idea if the limiting factor is jab availability or jabbing opportunities now.0
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Yes that is the crux of it really.kingstongraham said:I've no idea if the limiting factor is jab availability or jabbing opportunities now.
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Over 35s to start next week.0
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That makes sense if they don’t have enough Pfizer.briantrumpet said:surrey_commuter said:briantrumpet said:surrey_commuter said:
This is my point, last week getting as many people vaccinated with one dose was the best idea ever and it was even pondered on here why no other country in the world had analysed our data and followed suit. Now we have abandoned that policy and are pursuing a 2nd dose as soon as possible policy.briantrumpet said:kingstongraham said:The advice should surely change if things are about to be so bad they are rushing the extra doses out to get people double jabbed earlier.
Or they just have loads of az left over because the under 40s are getting the rolls royce jabs, in which case they should explain that.
This is one of those instances where I think a 'full explanation' wouldn't necessarily be helpful, especially if it led to any sort of (specific) vaccine hesitancy. Getting as many (whatever) jabs done as quickly as possible has proven its worth. Pretty much everything else is minor detail, and you don't want minor detail blurring the main point.
I don't think it's a 2nd-dose-asap policy - simply bring forward by two or three weeks those who were due early June, to clear the way for the youngsters such as RC.
Sorry, I am not understanding your explanation or the underlying thinking.briantrumpet said:surrey_commuter said:
This is my point, last week getting as many people vaccinated with one dose was the best idea ever and it was even pondered on here why no other country in the world had analysed our data and followed suit. Now we have abandoned that policy and are pursuing a 2nd dose as soon as possible policy.briantrumpet said:kingstongraham said:The advice should surely change if things are about to be so bad they are rushing the extra doses out to get people double jabbed earlier.
Or they just have loads of az left over because the under 40s are getting the rolls royce jabs, in which case they should explain that.
This is one of those instances where I think a 'full explanation' wouldn't necessarily be helpful, especially if it led to any sort of (specific) vaccine hesitancy. Getting as many (whatever) jabs done as quickly as possible has proven its worth. Pretty much everything else is minor detail, and you don't want minor detail blurring the main point.
I don't think it's a 2nd-dose-asap policy - simply bring forward by two or three weeks those who were due early June, to clear the way for the youngsters such as RC.
Why are they now prioritising 2nd doses over 1st dose.
Sending text messages on Sunday 16th May to shift somebody forwards from June 1st has a whiff of desperation
Big supply of AZ now, give it to those who are older, clear the decks of them and make sure of sufficient supplies and lots of capacity for administering Pfizer for the yoof straight after. Why have the oldies clogging up the system in a couple of weeks?
Just guessing, obvs.
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It seems that jab take up in Bolton has not been as good as other areas, so I imagine the answer depends on the region.kingstongraham said:I've no idea if the limiting factor is jab availability or jabbing opportunities now.
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Now double AZ’d. Arm instantly noticed this one.0
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Should vaccinate anyone who'll take it asap in those areas with highest infection rates..TheBigBean said:
It seems that jab take up in Bolton has not been as good as other areas, so I imagine the answer depends on the region.kingstongraham said:I've no idea if the limiting factor is jab availability or jabbing opportunities now.
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They are doing. This was yesterday.kingstongraham said:
Should vaccinate anyone who'll take it asap in those areas with highest infection rates..TheBigBean said:
It seems that jab take up in Bolton has not been as good as other areas, so I imagine the answer depends on the region.kingstongraham said:I've no idea if the limiting factor is jab availability or jabbing opportunities now.
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Cool - good they allowed that. I did read that they has been prevented from doing surge vaccinations.0
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Interesting that the jabber said today that all the blood clot deaths were in people with underlying conditions that made them susceptible to clots.
Surprised that hadn’t been reported. I was asked about a long list of specific conditions I had never heard of before being told this and that nobody had died after a second dose. Rendering the questions redundant.0 -
That tweet has been deleted because it was not anyone, they are sticking to the eligibility rules.morstar said:
They are doing. This was yesterday.kingstongraham said:
Should vaccinate anyone who'll take it asap in those areas with highest infection rates..TheBigBean said:
It seems that jab take up in Bolton has not been as good as other areas, so I imagine the answer depends on the region.kingstongraham said:I've no idea if the limiting factor is jab availability or jabbing opportunities now.
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"AstraZeneca under-40s could be reversed to speed up rollout
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The JCVI will look again at the recommendation that people under 40 should be offered non-AstraZeneca jabs if it means that it could speed up the rollout, member Professor Adam Finn says.
Currently, most under 40s are being offered an alternative to the AZ vaccine due to a link with rare blood clots.
Prof Finn told Sky's Sophy Ridge On Sunday it was "on the agenda and if necessary that's something that could be done".
"When we expressed a preference for non-AstraZeneca vaccines for this age group it was done in a very provisional way on the basis of everything going absolutely right.
"And if the evidence shows that the risk benefit balance for people in their 30s is to be offered that vaccine then absolutely that recommendation will be changed.
"At the moment we don't think that's necessary, but it could well become a recommendation in the future."- Genesis Croix de Fer
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