Coronavirus and pro sport
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On the tour you'd likely come into contact with 100s of people.bobmcstuff said:
And the different hotels, start towns etc they would be staying in every night.DeVlaeminck said:
22 players plus subs plus officials multiplied by however many games are played - not that different. Public roads makes little difference unless we have crowds packed watching .fenix said:
Yes. 22 players behind closed doors for 90 mins is very similar to 176 riders being in close formation for 6 Hours a Day on the public roads.blazing_saddles said:German football gets Merkel's green light for go, around the middle of this month.
(She's also said all shops can re-open)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52557699
Meanwhile, the UCI boss has mentioned the the D word again if the Tour doesn't go ahead.
https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/tour-de-france/uci-president-says-not-holding-the-tour-de-france-in-2020-would-be-a-disaster-as-he-shares-thoughts-on-new-worldtour-calendar-455458
Makes as much sense as us lifting some of the lockdown restrictions too soon.
All the riders - sitting on their wheels and sharing breaths.
Helpers handing up food and drink. Hotel staff. Drivers. Mechanics. Masseuses. DS's.
Football - 21 other people and presumably you'd get tests between games ?
And you'd still need the marshals to support the race. How many there for each stage.
Football is nothing like a 3 week tour. One case and you could take out the whole peleton.0 -
Skysports had an article last week looking at the minimum number of personnel (including players) needed for a behind closed doors match and it was staggering for an individual match. IIRC the minimum was 350, but usually matches played in these circumstances and broadcast require up to 500.fenix said:
On the tour you'd likely come into contact with 100s of people.bobmcstuff said:
And the different hotels, start towns etc they would be staying in every night.DeVlaeminck said:
22 players plus subs plus officials multiplied by however many games are played - not that different. Public roads makes little difference unless we have crowds packed watching .fenix said:
Yes. 22 players behind closed doors for 90 mins is very similar to 176 riders being in close formation for 6 Hours a Day on the public roads.blazing_saddles said:German football gets Merkel's green light for go, around the middle of this month.
(She's also said all shops can re-open)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52557699
Meanwhile, the UCI boss has mentioned the the D word again if the Tour doesn't go ahead.
https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/tour-de-france/uci-president-says-not-holding-the-tour-de-france-in-2020-would-be-a-disaster-as-he-shares-thoughts-on-new-worldtour-calendar-455458
Makes as much sense as us lifting some of the lockdown restrictions too soon.
All the riders - sitting on their wheels and sharing breaths.
Helpers handing up food and drink. Hotel staff. Drivers. Mechanics. Masseuses. DS's.
Football - 21 other people and presumably you'd get tests between games ?
And you'd still need the marshals to support the race. How many there for each stage.
Football is nothing like a 3 week tour. One case and you could take out the whole peleton.
Quite how the football authorities, clubs, drs, police and the govt fund a solution is going to be very interesting. I suspect all eyes will be on Germany from next week.
Personally I think the season should just be ended.0 -
Football fan are we?fenix said:
On the tour you'd likely come into contact with 100s of people.bobmcstuff said:
And the different hotels, start towns etc they would be staying in every night.DeVlaeminck said:
22 players plus subs plus officials multiplied by however many games are played - not that different. Public roads makes little difference unless we have crowds packed watching .fenix said:
Yes. 22 players behind closed doors for 90 mins is very similar to 176 riders being in close formation for 6 Hours a Day on the public roads.blazing_saddles said:German football gets Merkel's green light for go, around the middle of this month.
(She's also said all shops can re-open)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52557699
Meanwhile, the UCI boss has mentioned the the D word again if the Tour doesn't go ahead.
https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/tour-de-france/uci-president-says-not-holding-the-tour-de-france-in-2020-would-be-a-disaster-as-he-shares-thoughts-on-new-worldtour-calendar-455458
Makes as much sense as us lifting some of the lockdown restrictions too soon.
All the riders - sitting on their wheels and sharing breaths.
Helpers handing up food and drink. Hotel staff. Drivers. Mechanics. Masseuses. DS's.
Football - 21 other people and presumably you'd get tests between games ?
And you'd still need the marshals to support the race. How many there for each stage.
Football is nothing like a 3 week tour. One case and you could take out the whole peleton.
Try anything up to 500 people needed per game.
https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league-behind-closed-doors-karen-brady-a4417851.html
"Police officers will need to be at games even if they are behind closed doors, as some supporters will travel to the stadium, even if they cannot come in to watch," Brady wrote in The Sun. "But the police will want to ensure attending matches does not drain resources away from other matters.
"Everyone at the stadium - and even behind closed doors this is about 300-500 people - including security, staff, medical officers, players, referees and media, will have to have temperature checks, fill out health questionnaires and observe social distancing."
And all this is supposed to happen in the next few weeks, not September."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Pedalos? Just putting it out there for discussion.0
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blazing_saddles said:
Football fan are we?
Try anything up to 500 people needed per game.
https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league-behind-closed-doors-karen-brady-a4417851.html
"Police officers will need to be at games even if they are behind closed doors, as some supporters will travel to the stadium, even if they cannot come in to watch," Brady wrote in The Sun. "But the police will want to ensure attending matches does not drain resources away from other matters.
"Everyone at the stadium - and even behind closed doors this is about 300-500 people - including security, staff, medical officers, players, referees and media, will have to have temperature checks, fill out health questionnaires and observe social distancing."
And all this is supposed to happen in the next few weeks, not September.
Bear in mind here that Karen Brady desperately wants the season voided as West Ham are in danger of relegationTwitter: @RichN951 -
Exactly - and multiply by the number of games played - if football can go ahead cycling certainly can. In fact I'd say 1 day races are in a far better position to take place as cyclists can train alone so one testing positive needn't take out the whole team.blazing_saddles said:
Football fan are we?fenix said:
On the tour you'd likely come into contact with 100s of people.bobmcstuff said:
And the different hotels, start towns etc they would be staying in every night.DeVlaeminck said:
22 players plus subs plus officials multiplied by however many games are played - not that different. Public roads makes little difference unless we have crowds packed watching .fenix said:
Yes. 22 players behind closed doors for 90 mins is very similar to 176 riders being in close formation for 6 Hours a Day on the public roads.blazing_saddles said:German football gets Merkel's green light for go, around the middle of this month.
(She's also said all shops can re-open)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52557699
Meanwhile, the UCI boss has mentioned the the D word again if the Tour doesn't go ahead.
https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/tour-de-france/uci-president-says-not-holding-the-tour-de-france-in-2020-would-be-a-disaster-as-he-shares-thoughts-on-new-worldtour-calendar-455458
Makes as much sense as us lifting some of the lockdown restrictions too soon.
All the riders - sitting on their wheels and sharing breaths.
Helpers handing up food and drink. Hotel staff. Drivers. Mechanics. Masseuses. DS's.
Football - 21 other people and presumably you'd get tests between games ?
And you'd still need the marshals to support the race. How many there for each stage.
Football is nothing like a 3 week tour. One case and you could take out the whole peleton.
Try anything up to 500 people needed per game.
https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league-behind-closed-doors-karen-brady-a4417851.html
"Police officers will need to be at games even if they are behind closed doors, as some supporters will travel to the stadium, even if they cannot come in to watch," Brady wrote in The Sun. "But the police will want to ensure attending matches does not drain resources away from other matters.
"Everyone at the stadium - and even behind closed doors this is about 300-500 people - including security, staff, medical officers, players, referees and media, will have to have temperature checks, fill out health questionnaires and observe social distancing."
And all this is supposed to happen in the next few weeks, not September.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
...and this is why caution should still remain.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52583739The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
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Not sure what relevance 3 footballers playing in Italy have to do the German Bundesliga or a football match taking place in S Korea.pblakeney said:...and this is why caution should still remain.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52583739
"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
If whole offices and factories are going to shut because one person tests positive for the virus then we may as well go back to subsistance farming. Cyclists, footballers, etc will test positive it can't be a reason to shut the whole sport down or else all sports people are going to be out of a job and all major sports teams will go bust.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0
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If one person tests positive then they are going into isolation, as is everyone else that they came into direct contact with.
Now take that logic to team sports.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
As I say take that logic into offices and factories - they won't.
But basically that is why I think 1 day races are in a good position to go ahead though - you train alone - turn up and race. If a rider tests positive you get a test and if negative you crack on to the next race.
Tours seem to me to be more like football leagues in that they are ongoing over multiple days.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
In offices, when there is a confirmed case, those who have been in close contact should be tested (and isolated until the result comes back). I'd get used to it.DeVlaeminck said:As I say take that logic into offices and factories - they won't.
But basically that is why I think 1 day races are in a good position to go ahead though - you train alone - turn up and race. If a rider tests positive you get a test and if negative you crack on to the next race.
Tours seem to me to be more like football leagues in that they are ongoing over multiple days.
That hasn't happened in meat processing plants in the USA, and they are in a terrible state as a result.0 -
They have, and they will take that into offices and factories.DeVlaeminck said:As I say take that logic into offices and factories - they won't.
But basically that is why I think 1 day races are in a good position to go ahead though - you train alone - turn up and race. If a rider tests positive you get a test and if negative you crack on to the next race.
Tours seem to me to be more like football leagues in that they are ongoing over multiple days.
That was exactly our office procedure pre-lockdown and I doubt it will change.
Duty of care for the other employees will override any other action.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Methinks some people spend too much time in the cake shop preaching indefinite lockdown.
We will have to learn to adapt, live and work with this virus. We can't simply run away and hide until such time as a vaccine becomes available.
People will continue to die even after a vaccine is found, as happens every year with Flu.
"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
For top level sport they'll get a quick test with a same day result and if negative crack on - no need to stop play and isolate people just in case. The alternative is they all go and get a real job - I know which I'd choose. My own side are grassroots amateurs and they'd return tomorrow if allowed .
Pre lock down and lock down procedures are not going to be workable for the next 18 months or however long it takes - as Blazing says there has to be some recognition that life can't stop indefinitely.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
We do. Which should involve tracing contacts of people who have had it, testing them and isolating them. And temporarily reducing gatherings of people.blazing_saddles said:Methinks some people spend too much time in the cake shop preaching indefinite lockdown.
We will have to learn to adapt, live and work with this virus. We can't simply run away and hide until such time as a vaccine becomes available.
People will continue to die even after a vaccine is found, as happens every year with Flu.
That's straightforward enough. But sport (and theatres and bars and clubs) shouldn't be a top priority.
No-one I can think of has preached indefinite lockdown, that's just an extreme position invented to rail against.0 -
Get the fucker under control and the tests would pretty much all come back negative anyway, so no problem. Don't get it under control, no sport because of all the dying. That's the way I see it, anyway.0
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Exactly. It's only sport.
Lives are more important.
I'd rather be able to get back to normal than still be in lockdown but able to watch the tour on TV.
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Christ no. But it's a good example. Everything is more complicated than you think.blazing_saddles said:
Football fan are we?fenix said:
On the tour you'd likely come into contact with 100s of people.bobmcstuff said:
And the different hotels, start towns etc they would be staying in every night.DeVlaeminck said:
22 players plus subs plus officials multiplied by however many games are played - not that different. Public roads makes little difference unless we have crowds packed watching .fenix said:
Yes. 22 players behind closed doors for 90 mins is very similar to 176 riders being in close formation for 6 Hours a Day on the public roads.blazing_saddles said:German football gets Merkel's green light for go, around the middle of this month.
(She's also said all shops can re-open)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52557699
Meanwhile, the UCI boss has mentioned the the D word again if the Tour doesn't go ahead.
https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/tour-de-france/uci-president-says-not-holding-the-tour-de-france-in-2020-would-be-a-disaster-as-he-shares-thoughts-on-new-worldtour-calendar-455458
Makes as much sense as us lifting some of the lockdown restrictions too soon.
All the riders - sitting on their wheels and sharing breaths.
Helpers handing up food and drink. Hotel staff. Drivers. Mechanics. Masseuses. DS's.
Football - 21 other people and presumably you'd get tests between games ?
And you'd still need the marshals to support the race. How many there for each stage.
Football is nothing like a 3 week tour. One case and you could take out the whole peleton.
One day classics would be much more manageable than a three week tour as has been said.
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The swear filter on this forum puzzles me.kingstongraham said:Get the fucker under control and the tests would pretty much all come back negative anyway, so no problem. Don't get it under control, no sport because of all the dying. That's the way I see it, anyway.
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For fucks sake! The fucking fuckers fucked again.TheBigBean said:
The swear filter on this forum puzzles me.kingstongraham said:Get the fucker under control and the tests would pretty much all come back negative anyway, so no problem. Don't get it under control, no sport because of all the dying. That's the way I see it, anyway.
Always a good test. 😉
Seems to be working fine. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
And now it's not.... 🤣🤣🤣🤔🤣🤣🤣🤔
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
So it seems, but only in terms of this virus.fenix said:Exactly. It's only sport.
Lives are more important.
4 and a quarter million deaths worldwide from other communicable diseases in just 5 months of this year, but over which nobody seems to bat an eye.
It's the disproportionate response that really pees me off.
Why doesn't anybody seem to care about them?
"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.1 -
I don't think you quite understand what a pandemic is.blazing_saddles said:
So it seems, but only in terms of this virus.fenix said:Exactly. It's only sport.
Lives are more important.
4 and a quarter million deaths worldwide from other communicable diseases in just 5 months of this year, but over which nobody seems to bat an eye.
It's the disproportionate response that really pees me off.
Why doesn't anybody seem to care about them?0 -
This one's probably killed over half a million since late march so far. Over quarter of a million confirmed.0
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I am pretty sure that nobody fully understands this pandemic, including both of us.andyp said:
I don't think you quite understand what a pandemic is.blazing_saddles said:
So it seems, but only in terms of this virus.fenix said:Exactly. It's only sport.
Lives are more important.
4 and a quarter million deaths worldwide from other communicable diseases in just 5 months of this year, but over which nobody seems to bat an eye.
It's the disproportionate response that really pees me off.
Why doesn't anybody seem to care about them?"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Mr BS - what's your job ? Are you back at work normally yet ?0
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Couple of points here.blazing_saddles said:
So it seems, but only in terms of this virus.fenix said:Exactly. It's only sport.
Lives are more important.
4 and a quarter million deaths worldwide from other communicable diseases in just 5 months of this year, but over which nobody seems to bat an eye.
It's the disproportionate response that really pees me off.
Why doesn't anybody seem to care about them?
Firstly, a hell of a lot of people care a great deal about deaths from other causes, including other communicable diseases. However, most of these deaths stem from social conditions that allow these diseases to spread (e.g. dysentery, cholera, tuberculosis) and there is no political will to change that as it would involve radical change in the economic system. Those deaths, globally, are mostly in impoverished countries and they're counted as an acceptable loss because the very poverty that causes them is the same poverty that keeps the price down on our coffee, electrical gizmos etc.
Secondly, the death toll quoted is despite numerous countries taking counter-measures, such as going into lockdown. Without those measures this would look far, far worse. Before claiming the response is disproportionate you need a half-decent estimate of what the death toll would have looked like if we hadn't acted.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
My point was that I think we aren't doing nearly enough in terms of other diseases in light of the world's response to covid.
I must admit to being somewhat ashamed by until recently having no idea the numbers were so staggering.
I think No_Ta_Doctor makes some valid observations.
"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0
