Boris as PM

john80

PBlakeney wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

They've been re-badged Opels since 1980. They're as British as the local Lidl.

Not only that, but look at the cars on the road today.
Many Vauxhalls?

In 2018 they sold 177,298 cars in the UK which is around 7.5% of all new car sales so they are not an irrelevance by any stretch of the imagination. Whilst they may be designed in Germany and the product badged as either OPEL or Vauxhall depending upon the destination says that there is some element of the brand that is worth selling in the UK. Otherwise this cost conscious organisation would probably just be selling OPEL's in the UK to save some badge difference costs. I would argue that by removing all UK manufacturing from this brand would have a negative impact on the brands sales.

pblakeney

As people prefer BMW, Audi, VW, or even Skoda (as examples) then I doubt loyalty is very relevant.

bianchimoon

john80 wrote:

I could run a pretty effective social media campaign post Brexit against brands that have no loyalty to a significant market as I am sure many others could as well.

Could you start off with well known brexiteer James Dyson please?

slowmart

john80 wrote:

Slowmart wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

A volatile currency is not the behaviour of a stable nation with a confidence inspiring government or political situation.

Tell me this, what has the sterling trend been since the ref vote?

Or will you just avoid to answer that?

You already know the answer, it's easily available in the public domain. Here's a 5 year graph to add to the 2 year graph i posted before:-
https://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=GBP&to=EUR&view=5Y

Now Mr question avoider, care to answer my question above about why you go quiet when Sterling rises?

Stevo, I admire your persistence but if sterling was rising these little spivs would ignore that and say the FTSE is going lower because of Brexit :roll:

True, there's always a negative angle if you look hard enough. As I've mentioned a few times in the past, it's a desperate need to be able to say 'I told to so!' rather than any sort of balanced appraisal.

Saw this last month but it seems relevant now to p1ss on the spivs bonfires



UK exports boom in all 4 nations

In the 2018/19 financial year, goods exports from:

England grew at 3.0% to £251.9bn
Scotland grew at 12.9% to £32.8bn
Wales grew at 7.5% to £17.7bn
Northern Ireland grew at 4.4% to £9.0bn

All of the UK nations have now recorded at least 3 consecutive financial years of goods export growth, illustrating the consistency of the success of exporters up and down the country.



https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-exports-boom-in-all-4-nations

Best elevate your vision to the future.

What happens when we haven’t got trade agreements for businesses to export? That point is not disputed if we crash out with no deal.

Ever heard of tariffs?

Have you heard what the head of Vauxhall said, he’ll close UK plant if profits are hit? This view will be widespread within the boards of international companies who are obliged to ensure a maximum return to their shareholders.

Oh and anything Liam Fox signs off on would mean much closer scrutiny as it says more in what it doesn’t say. It omits where those exports are heading, I wonder what the % is to the EU?

I do admire the view of a global car brands inability to see that there is some link between brand loyalty and nationality. He could shut Luton with capability for about 100000 light commercial vehicles such as vans and Ellesmere with the ability to produce 187000 cars however the question is at what point does Vauxhall fail to remain a British brand with any links to its buyers. So by all means push the nuclear button and close the plants but he may find that no amount of advertising gets his imported cars sold in UK forecourts. It is not an accident that there are a lot of French cars within France and German cars in Germany. Will businesses be willing to overlook this relationship and potentially harm their sales significantly. I could run a pretty effective social media campaign post Brexit against brands that have no loyalty to a significant market as I am sure many others could as well. Good luck to the man.

For the record tariffs are a two way thing so his imported vauxhalls might start to not look very attractive.

Christ, please don’t tell me you get to vote?

You could run a social media campaign that’s pretty effective, Jesus, You’re clearly wasted on here, do Google or Facebook know about your skill set? They’ll be sh1tting themselves you can shift public opinion in such a way

It’s not about brands, it’s about real jobs for the manufacturer concerned, jobs in the local supply chain, the skill sets which will go to waste, add reduced tax receipts, PAYE, VAT, corporation tax receipts from the manufacturer and through their supply chain.

Currently the UK plays a significant part in the global economy, multi nationals have complex and global supply chains. Businesses aren’t known to suffer continued uncertainty without reaction.

We seem to differ on what business reaction will take place.

Let’s hope Boris goes for a GE before him and the swivel eyed no deal idiots can cause further damage to businesses

Jez mon

As someone that had the joy of trying lots of cars as I had to rent them for travelling with work, there is no good reason to buy a vauxhall.

surrey_commuter

Rick Chasey wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

If you are looking for straws to clutch it is customary to claim it is beneficial for UK exporters and domestic holiday providers.

The data suggests otherwise.

If ya have an FT sub:

https://www.ft.com/content/615ae7ba-b2b ... cab53d6959

The idea was that a fall in sterling would rejuvenate British industry: exports would become cheaper to overseas buyers, leading to higher demand and sales. Faster growth in exports would boost the economy, along with job creation and wages.

The pound is once again under pressure, with a further depreciation expected if the UK leaves the EU without a deal. But while some commentators continue to argue that a weaker currency can help the stimulate the economy, the data suggest a different narrative is playing out.

Between the end of 2015 and the end of the first quarter of 2019, trade-weighted sterling fell 12.1 per cent. Meanwhile, the manufacturing sector as a share of the total value added of the economy rose from 10.02 per cent to 10.07 per cent. And as a share of total employment, manufacturing increased from 7.69 per cent to 7.7 per cent — hardly the rebalancing some had hoped for.

The trade data are even worse. In the first quarter of 2019, net trade reduced GDP growth by 3.4 percentage points compared with a year earlier. This is the most negative quarterly year-on-year contribution from trade since records began in 1955.

Well aware of that which is why I wrote it the way that I did

surrey_commuter

Imposter wrote:

Embarrassing logical fail...made worse through your apparent (and somewhat ironic) ignorance of the meaning of ‘spiv’...

We quite like him really so please try not to get him fired. If you can be bothered it is quite easy to carry him in an argument.

surrey_commuter

Rick Chasey wrote:

john80 wrote:

I do admire the view of a global car brands inability to see that there is some link between brand loyalty and nationality. He could shut Luton with capability for about 100000 light commercial vehicles such as vans and Ellesmere with the ability to produce 187000 cars however the question is at what point does Vauxhall fail to remain a British brand with any links to its buyers. So by all means push the nuclear button and close the plants but he may find that no amount of advertising gets his imported cars sold in UK forecourts. It is not an accident that there are a lot of French cars within France and German cars in Germany. Will businesses be willing to overlook this relationship and potentially harm their sales significantly. I could run a pretty effective social media campaign post Brexit against brands that have no loyalty to a significant market as I am sure many others could as well. Good luck to the man.

For the record tariffs are a two way thing so his imported vauxhalls might start to not look very attractive.

Vauxhall is a UK brand of Opel which is a German car manufacturer which in turn is ultimately owned by Groupe PSA who are French and also own Citroen and Peugeot.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... itiful-90m

Worth noting the report today on car industry investment.

Investment in Britain’s car industry has effectively stopped amid fears over Brexit, with a “pitiful” £90m pledged for new developments in the first six months of this year, according to the industry body.

Before Brexit clouded the horizon, the automotive industry was investing between £2.5bn and £2.7bn a year in research and development.

The Society of Motor Manufacturers & Traders (SMMT) said a Brexit deal was imperative to help the embattled industry to bounce back, otherwise the government will face demands for the same type of tax breaks farmers need to stay afloat.

The SMMT also revealed that the industry has sunk £330m into contingency plans for a no-deal.

“That shows you the scale of expenditure having to be made potentially for no reason if we get a deal,” said Mike Hawes, SMMT’s chief executive.

In all the background noise it is easy to miss the good stuff but that stat about motor industry investment dropping from £2.5bn a year to £90m in the first six months is jaw dropping.

A large part of me finds it absolutely fascinating to see what happens when a group of loonies try and fvck an economy. Just wished it was not my economy. The only potential upside is that Putin dies laughing.

Stevo_666

KingstonGraham wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Alejandrosdog wrote:

Were dooooomed


Doooooomed I tell you

Its easy to start thinking that way if you listen to the Losing Mentality Squad on here for long enough.

As a remain voter, do you now think that leaving with no deal is going to be positive for the country?

For me it'll probably be OK based on the fact that we normally muddle through but I can't be sure. Best case not disastrous with no great benefits from it.

I've already answered pretty much the same question several times on the Brexit thread.

Its a question of proportionality. Too many people saying we're all doomed when the answer is very probably not as drastic as that. As mentioned above, many are very keen to say 'I told you so' rather than assess the situation rationally.

shirley_basso

Not as drastic as doomed.

Hardly sunshine and roses, is it

Stevo_666

Shirley Basso wrote:

Not as drastic as doomed.

Hardly sunshine and roses, is it

Read some of the whingeing on the Brexit thread and make your own mind up about whether people are being balanced or just want to say I told you so. And its been recycled umpteen times as we are now up to 1700+ pages.

imposter2.0

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Imposter wrote:

Embarrassing logical fail...made worse through your apparent (and somewhat ironic) ignorance of the meaning of ‘spiv’...

We quite like him really so please try not to get him fired. If you can be bothered it is quite easy to carry him in an argument.

So you're saying he's the resident 'embarrassing drunken uncle' that we all have to put up with...?

kingstongraham

Stevo 666 wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Alejandrosdog wrote:

Were dooooomed


Doooooomed I tell you

Its easy to start thinking that way if you listen to the Losing Mentality Squad on here for long enough.

As a remain voter, do you now think that leaving with no deal is going to be positive for the country?

For me it'll probably be OK based on the fact that we normally muddle through but I can't be sure. Best case not disastrous with no great benefits from it.

I've already answered pretty much the same question several times on the Brexit thread.

Its a question of proportionality. Too many people saying we're all doomed when the answer is very probably not as drastic as that. As mentioned above, many are very keen to say 'I told you so' rather than assess the situation rationally.

OK, but "quite a bit worse than it could be" is still bad, right? Even if you don't like the overdramatic language.

surrey_commuter

Imposter wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Imposter wrote:

Embarrassing logical fail...made worse through your apparent (and somewhat ironic) ignorance of the meaning of ‘spiv’...

We quite like him really so please try not to get him fired. If you can be bothered it is quite easy to carry him in an argument.

So you're saying he's the resident 'embarrassing drunken uncle' that we all have to put up with...?

Not at all. The standard of his writing is so superior to his comprehension levels that I think there is a chance he is a paid troll.

Stevo_666

KingstonGraham wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Alejandrosdog wrote:

Were dooooomed


Doooooomed I tell you

Its easy to start thinking that way if you listen to the Losing Mentality Squad on here for long enough.

As a remain voter, do you now think that leaving with no deal is going to be positive for the country?

For me it'll probably be OK based on the fact that we normally muddle through but I can't be sure. Best case not disastrous with no great benefits from it.

I've already answered pretty much the same question several times on the Brexit thread.

Its a question of proportionality. Too many people saying we're all doomed when the answer is very probably not as drastic as that. As mentioned above, many are very keen to say 'I told you so' rather than assess the situation rationally.

OK, but "quite a bit worse than it could be" is still bad, right? Even if you don't like the overdramatic language.

I've already answered that one a few times before as well - so in this case, go search the Brexit thread.

kingstongraham

Stevo 666 wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Alejandrosdog wrote:

Were dooooomed


Doooooomed I tell you

Its easy to start thinking that way if you listen to the Losing Mentality Squad on here for long enough.

As a remain voter, do you now think that leaving with no deal is going to be positive for the country?

For me it'll probably be OK based on the fact that we normally muddle through but I can't be sure. Best case not disastrous with no great benefits from it.

I've already answered pretty much the same question several times on the Brexit thread.

Its a question of proportionality. Too many people saying we're all doomed when the answer is very probably not as drastic as that. As mentioned above, many are very keen to say 'I told you so' rather than assess the situation rationally.

OK, but "quite a bit worse than it could be" is still bad, right? Even if you don't like the overdramatic language.

I've already answered that one a few times before as well - so in this case, go search the Brexit thread.

Sure, I'll do that and report back on November 1st.

kingstongraham

Stevo 666 wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Veronese68 wrote:

That’s not really good news is it? To summarise it says whatever the outcome of Brexit it will have a detrimental effect so they are spending a load of cash on alternatives trying to cover all eventualities.

It's more a case of giving comfort to some people who see a problem but no solution and are concerned about it. Seems to be quite common on here for some reason, as is being apprehensive about change.

Yes, it requires investment and changes to existing processes etc, but once we are up and running it will move to being business as usual.

But the new business as usual will be worse than it is now.

Do you honestly think I'm not aware of that?

The question is one of degree - and assuming we might move onto similar arrangements as already exist for the rest of the world, that is not completely unfamiliar territory. In any event it still needs dealing with, which is what appears to be happening.

OK. This wasn't about no-deal but near enough.

Be better to try and find a way of not doing the old Brexit though, wouldn't it?

robert88

At least our credit rating has not been downgraded (again) yet. That's reason to celebrate.

rjsterry

Interesting polling from Ipsos MORI. Johnson has his bounce as one would expect, but his approval rating is lower than Major, Brown or May when they took over mid-term. A bit of a limp bounce then.

robert88

And then there was one.

slowmart

I wonder why Labour don’t go for a vote of no confidence?

Could a GE be held before 31st October?

Bookies odds are shortening on Art 50 being revoked by Parliament

ugo.santalucia

Lost a seat, predictable, but lost a seat to Lib Dem, not to Brexit party or Labour, which is telling of what Wales thinks of no deal and Bojo

greasedscotsman

What would happen if they lost a couple more seats in by-elections? Does that force a general election?

surrey_commuter

greasedscotsman wrote:

What would happen if they lost a couple more seats in by-elections? Does that force a general election?

No

rick_chasey

Surrey Commuter wrote:

greasedscotsman wrote:

What would happen if they lost a couple more seats in by-elections? Does that force a general election?

No

Would be fairly easy to call a no-confidence vote which would precipitate one however.

thistle_

greasedscotsman wrote:

What would happen if they lost a couple more seats in by-elections? Does that force a general election?

No, the government is just in the minority which makes it difficult to get anything passed unless you've got a deal with another party.

john80

Slowmart wrote:

john80 wrote:

Slowmart wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

A volatile currency is not the behaviour of a stable nation with a confidence inspiring government or political situation.

Tell me this, what has the sterling trend been since the ref vote?

Or will you just avoid to answer that?

You already know the answer, it's easily available in the public domain. Here's a 5 year graph to add to the 2 year graph i posted before:-
https://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=GBP&to=EUR&view=5Y

Now Mr question avoider, care to answer my question above about why you go quiet when Sterling rises?

Stevo, I admire your persistence but if sterling was rising these little spivs would ignore that and say the FTSE is going lower because of Brexit :roll:

True, there's always a negative angle if you look hard enough. As I've mentioned a few times in the past, it's a desperate need to be able to say 'I told to so!' rather than any sort of balanced appraisal.

Saw this last month but it seems relevant now to p1ss on the spivs bonfires



UK exports boom in all 4 nations

In the 2018/19 financial year, goods exports from:

England grew at 3.0% to £251.9bn
Scotland grew at 12.9% to £32.8bn
Wales grew at 7.5% to £17.7bn
Northern Ireland grew at 4.4% to £9.0bn

All of the UK nations have now recorded at least 3 consecutive financial years of goods export growth, illustrating the consistency of the success of exporters up and down the country.



https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-exports-boom-in-all-4-nations

Best elevate your vision to the future.

What happens when we haven’t got trade agreements for businesses to export? That point is not disputed if we crash out with no deal.

Ever heard of tariffs?

Have you heard what the head of Vauxhall said, he’ll close UK plant if profits are hit? This view will be widespread within the boards of international companies who are obliged to ensure a maximum return to their shareholders.

Oh and anything Liam Fox signs off on would mean much closer scrutiny as it says more in what it doesn’t say. It omits where those exports are heading, I wonder what the % is to the EU?

I do admire the view of a global car brands inability to see that there is some link between brand loyalty and nationality. He could shut Luton with capability for about 100000 light commercial vehicles such as vans and Ellesmere with the ability to produce 187000 cars however the question is at what point does Vauxhall fail to remain a British brand with any links to its buyers. So by all means push the nuclear button and close the plants but he may find that no amount of advertising gets his imported cars sold in UK forecourts. It is not an accident that there are a lot of French cars within France and German cars in Germany. Will businesses be willing to overlook this relationship and potentially harm their sales significantly. I could run a pretty effective social media campaign post Brexit against brands that have no loyalty to a significant market as I am sure many others could as well. Good luck to the man.

For the record tariffs are a two way thing so his imported vauxhalls might start to not look very attractive.

Christ, please don’t tell me you get to vote?

You could run a social media campaign that’s pretty effective, Jesus, You’re clearly wasted on here, do Google or Facebook know about your skill set? They’ll be sh1tting themselves you can shift public opinion in such a way

It’s not about brands, it’s about real jobs for the manufacturer concerned, jobs in the local supply chain, the skill sets which will go to waste, add reduced tax receipts, PAYE, VAT, corporation tax receipts from the manufacturer and through their supply chain.

Currently the UK plays a significant part in the global economy, multi nationals have complex and global supply chains. Businesses aren’t known to suffer continued uncertainty without reaction.

We seem to differ on what business reaction will take place.

Let’s hope Boris goes for a GE before him and the swivel eyed no deal idiots can cause further damage to businesses

Struggling to understand democracy i see. Would you like to go back to the day when only the landed gentry get a vote? I imagine that will take you out of the vote. On the flip side if we had left in march then the auto industries plans woukd have not been wasted and the uncertainty would be over but it is interesting watching remainers continually fail to see this point. If importing car parts is so hard post brexit i am wondering how the poor dears will handle importing complete cars. After all if the bosch windscreen motor is such a challenge then it would appear the whole car might be too dificult as well. Back to horses and carts for us as our illustrious business leaders just cant see a way through the mire.

coopster_the_1st

Slowmart wrote:

I wonder why Labour don’t go for a vote of no confidence?

Quite simply because they would not win the no confidence vote.

There are a number of independents and that 'Change their party name every week' lot that would abstain/vote with the govt as they don't want to lose their seats and pay cheques.

Labour also know they would lose a number, possible large number of seats currently in a GE.

surrey_commuter

john80 wrote:

Slowmart wrote:

john80 wrote:

Slowmart wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

A volatile currency is not the behaviour of a stable nation with a confidence inspiring government or political situation.

Tell me this, what has the sterling trend been since the ref vote?

Or will you just avoid to answer that?

You already know the answer, it's easily available in the public domain. Here's a 5 year graph to add to the 2 year graph i posted before:-
https://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=GBP&to=EUR&view=5Y

Now Mr question avoider, care to answer my question above about why you go quiet when Sterling rises?

Stevo, I admire your persistence but if sterling was rising these little spivs would ignore that and say the FTSE is going lower because of Brexit :roll:

True, there's always a negative angle if you look hard enough. As I've mentioned a few times in the past, it's a desperate need to be able to say 'I told to so!' rather than any sort of balanced appraisal.

Saw this last month but it seems relevant now to p1ss on the spivs bonfires



UK exports boom in all 4 nations

In the 2018/19 financial year, goods exports from:

England grew at 3.0% to £251.9bn
Scotland grew at 12.9% to £32.8bn
Wales grew at 7.5% to £17.7bn
Northern Ireland grew at 4.4% to £9.0bn

All of the UK nations have now recorded at least 3 consecutive financial years of goods export growth, illustrating the consistency of the success of exporters up and down the country.



https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-exports-boom-in-all-4-nations

Best elevate your vision to the future.

What happens when we haven’t got trade agreements for businesses to export? That point is not disputed if we crash out with no deal.

Ever heard of tariffs?

Have you heard what the head of Vauxhall said, he’ll close UK plant if profits are hit? This view will be widespread within the boards of international companies who are obliged to ensure a maximum return to their shareholders.

Oh and anything Liam Fox signs off on would mean much closer scrutiny as it says more in what it doesn’t say. It omits where those exports are heading, I wonder what the % is to the EU?

I do admire the view of a global car brands inability to see that there is some link between brand loyalty and nationality. He could shut Luton with capability for about 100000 light commercial vehicles such as vans and Ellesmere with the ability to produce 187000 cars however the question is at what point does Vauxhall fail to remain a British brand with any links to its buyers. So by all means push the nuclear button and close the plants but he may find that no amount of advertising gets his imported cars sold in UK forecourts. It is not an accident that there are a lot of French cars within France and German cars in Germany. Will businesses be willing to overlook this relationship and potentially harm their sales significantly. I could run a pretty effective social media campaign post Brexit against brands that have no loyalty to a significant market as I am sure many others could as well. Good luck to the man.

For the record tariffs are a two way thing so his imported vauxhalls might start to not look very attractive.

Christ, please don’t tell me you get to vote?

You could run a social media campaign that’s pretty effective, Jesus, You’re clearly wasted on here, do Google or Facebook know about your skill set? They’ll be sh1tting themselves you can shift public opinion in such a way

It’s not about brands, it’s about real jobs for the manufacturer concerned, jobs in the local supply chain, the skill sets which will go to waste, add reduced tax receipts, PAYE, VAT, corporation tax receipts from the manufacturer and through their supply chain.

Currently the UK plays a significant part in the global economy, multi nationals have complex and global supply chains. Businesses aren’t known to suffer continued uncertainty without reaction.

We seem to differ on what business reaction will take place.

Let’s hope Boris goes for a GE before him and the swivel eyed no deal idiots can cause further damage to businesses

Struggling to understand democracy i see. Would you like to go back to the day when only the landed gentry get a vote? I imagine that will take you out of the vote. On the flip side if we had left in march then the auto industries plans woukd have not been wasted and the uncertainty would be over but it is interesting watching remainers continually fail to see this point. If importing car parts is so hard post brexit i am wondering how the poor dears will handle importing complete cars. After all if the bosch windscreen motor is such a challenge then it would appear the whole car might be too dificult as well. Back to horses and carts for us as our illustrious business leaders just cant see a way through the mire.

Read up on just in time stock management.

Alternatively it could be that you understand the car manufacturing process better than car industry execs. We already know about your social media skills but you are shaping up to be a true polymath.

slowmart

john80 wrote:

Slowmart wrote:

john80 wrote:

Slowmart wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

A volatile currency is not the behaviour of a stable nation with a confidence inspiring government or political situation.

Tell me this, what has the sterling trend been since the ref vote?

Or will you just avoid to answer that?

You already know the answer, it's easily available in the public domain. Here's a 5 year graph to add to the 2 year graph i posted before:-
https://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=GBP&to=EUR&view=5Y

Now Mr question avoider, care to answer my question above about why you go quiet when Sterling rises?

Stevo, I admire your persistence but if sterling was rising these little spivs would ignore that and say the FTSE is going lower because of Brexit :roll:

True, there's always a negative angle if you look hard enough. As I've mentioned a few times in the past, it's a desperate need to be able to say 'I told to so!' rather than any sort of balanced appraisal.

Saw this last month but it seems relevant now to p1ss on the spivs bonfires



UK exports boom in all 4 nations

In the 2018/19 financial year, goods exports from:

England grew at 3.0% to £251.9bn
Scotland grew at 12.9% to £32.8bn
Wales grew at 7.5% to £17.7bn
Northern Ireland grew at 4.4% to £9.0bn

All of the UK nations have now recorded at least 3 consecutive financial years of goods export growth, illustrating the consistency of the success of exporters up and down the country.



https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-exports-boom-in-all-4-nations

Best elevate your vision to the future.

What happens when we haven’t got trade agreements for businesses to export? That point is not disputed if we crash out with no deal.

Ever heard of tariffs?

Have you heard what the head of Vauxhall said, he’ll close UK plant if profits are hit? This view will be widespread within the boards of international companies who are obliged to ensure a maximum return to their shareholders.

Oh and anything Liam Fox signs off on would mean much closer scrutiny as it says more in what it doesn’t say. It omits where those exports are heading, I wonder what the % is to the EU?

I do admire the view of a global car brands inability to see that there is some link between brand loyalty and nationality. He could shut Luton with capability for about 100000 light commercial vehicles such as vans and Ellesmere with the ability to produce 187000 cars however the question is at what point does Vauxhall fail to remain a British brand with any links to its buyers. So by all means push the nuclear button and close the plants but he may find that no amount of advertising gets his imported cars sold in UK forecourts. It is not an accident that there are a lot of French cars within France and German cars in Germany. Will businesses be willing to overlook this relationship and potentially harm their sales significantly. I could run a pretty effective social media campaign post Brexit against brands that have no loyalty to a significant market as I am sure many others could as well. Good luck to the man.

For the record tariffs are a two way thing so his imported vauxhalls might start to not look very attractive.

Christ, please don’t tell me you get to vote?

You could run a social media campaign that’s pretty effective, Jesus, You’re clearly wasted on here, do Google or Facebook know about your skill set? They’ll be sh1tting themselves you can shift public opinion in such a way

It’s not about brands, it’s about real jobs for the manufacturer concerned, jobs in the local supply chain, the skill sets which will go to waste, add reduced tax receipts, PAYE, VAT, corporation tax receipts from the manufacturer and through their supply chain.

Currently the UK plays a significant part in the global economy, multi nationals have complex and global supply chains. Businesses aren’t known to suffer continued uncertainty without reaction.

We seem to differ on what business reaction will take place.

Let’s hope Boris goes for a GE before him and the swivel eyed no deal idiots can cause further damage to businesses

Struggling to understand democracy i see. Would you like to go back to the day when only the landed gentry get a vote? I imagine that will take you out of the vote. On the flip side if we had left in march then the auto industries plans woukd have not been wasted and the uncertainty would be over but it is interesting watching remainers continually fail to see this point. If importing car parts is so hard post brexit i am wondering how the poor dears will handle importing complete cars. After all if the bosch windscreen motor is such a challenge then it would appear the whole car might be too dificult as well. Back to horses and carts for us as our illustrious business leaders just cant see a way through the mire.

You have the same grasp of the facts, situation and implications as Boris. You aren’t Boris are you?