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rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 46,502 Lives Here
edited July 2019 in Pro race
So we have all the threads discussing who's gonna win the bloody thing, but there's more to the Tour then that (thank god).

So, who's gonna be in yellow after stage one, and how does that impact the likely jersey holders after stage two, the TTT.

Stage 3 isn't straightforward either with a cheeky cat 3 cote just before a draggy sprint and it's only really till stage 4 you get a proper flat flat sprint, given stage one is a little draggy too, and by stage five you've got a proper GvA style hilly stage, only it's got 20km of flat for the inevitable break to play silly buggers.

Then you're into Planche des Belles Filles and it's full on GC action time.

first week doesn't look too shabby therefore, considering.
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  • mididoctorsmididoctors Posts: 7,107
    edited June 2019
    S1..I didn't know about the cobbles till now ... Mid stage. Not the worst but not nothing... https://maps.app.goo.gl/cxvRzvyLXhCSwmrJ8all those GC teams trying to get on it. Most likely a mild cross head wind? Didn't realise the stage was so tricky. The sprint at the end is still a sprinters finish.... They should get up that.
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 46,502 Lives Here
    S1..I didn't know about the cobbles till now ... Mid stage. Not the worst but not nothing... All those GC teams trying to get on it. Most likely a mild cross head wind? Didn't realise the stage was so tricky. The sprint at the end is still a sprinters finish.... They should get up that.

    The sprint is a little draggy too.

    suits.....Ewan? (oh noooooo) though if it's technical i'd back Groenewegen too.
  • mididoctorsmididoctors Posts: 7,107
    S1..I didn't know about the cobbles till now ... Mid stage. Not the worst but not nothing... All those GC teams trying to get on it. Most likely a mild cross head wind? Didn't realise the stage was so tricky. The sprint at the end is still a sprinters finish.... They should get up that.

    The sprint is a little draggy too.

    suits.....Ewan? (oh noooooo) though if it's technical i'd back Groenewegen too.
    looks straight on the map but road book would be better. Not downloading that onto my phone.
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • mididoctorsmididoctors Posts: 7,107
    I am feeling the bonus sec primes on some of these stages.. may be 8 secs is not enough?
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 22,889
    PTP will go up next week. Probably on Monday.

    I'll be doing all the jerseys and combativity award again
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  • mididoctorsmididoctors Posts: 7,107
    RichN95 wrote:
    PTP will go up next week. Probably on Monday.

    I'll be doing all the jerseys and combativity award again
    Wckd etc... Maybe regig the green jersey and polka dot . I won them both by being right in the hills more than sprints.. Maybe no green points on mountain days ..make picking the sprints transition days more important for green.

    I would have won yellow too if G hadn't deliberately sat up in the final TT .

    Sticking my oar in ....
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 22,889
    RichN95 wrote:
    PTP will go up next week. Probably on Monday.

    I'll be doing all the jerseys and combativity award again
    Wckd etc... Maybe regig the green jersey and polka dot . I won them both by being right in the hills more than sprints.. Maybe no green points on mountain days ..make picking the sprints transition days more important for green.

    I would have won yellow too if G hadn't deliberately sat up in the final TT .

    Sticking my oar in ....
    Maybe you were just too good. Maybe I should ban you.

    I'll consider it, but I like to keep it simple (especially as I'm not unemployed like last year). I'm more inclined to rejig the KOM than the Green Jersey. I think things will naturally pan out differently this year with no obvious GC favourites.
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  • Dorset_BoyDorset_Boy Posts: 2,500
    Is the roadbook available anywhere yet?
    Will be riding the etape and staying out for the rest of the week so will catch 18, 19 & 20
  • blazing_saddlesblazing_saddles Posts: 13,981
    Dorset Boy wrote:
    Is the roadbook available anywhere yet?
    Will be riding the etape and staying out for the rest of the week so will catch 18, 19 & 20

    Nope. Not yet.
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  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 46,502 Lives Here
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  • No_Ta_DoctorNo_Ta_Doctor Posts: 9,464
    S1..I didn't know about the cobbles till now ... Mid stage. Not the worst but not nothing... https://maps.app.goo.gl/cxvRzvyLXhCSwmrJ8all those GC teams trying to get on it. Most likely a mild cross head wind? Didn't realise the stage was so tricky. The sprint at the end is still a sprinters finish.... They should get up that.

    Is it just me that thinks it's a touch on the insane side to put the full peloton on that on stage one?

    Rest of the week.... I can see Quickstep with the yellow, possibly sharing it between them a bit. Not too shabby in a TTT.
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  • blazing_saddlesblazing_saddles Posts: 13,981
    S1..I didn't know about the cobbles till now ... Mid stage. Not the worst but not nothing... https://maps.app.goo.gl/cxvRzvyLXhCSwmrJ8all those GC teams trying to get on it. Most likely a mild cross head wind? Didn't realise the stage was so tricky. The sprint at the end is still a sprinters finish.... They should get up that.

    Is it just me that thinks it's a touch on the insane side to put the full peloton on that on stage one?

    Rest of the week.... I can see Quickstep with the yellow, possibly sharing it between them a bit. Not too shabby in a TTT.

    You are correct.
    The same person that told me about Dumoulin said that it is going to be full on from the gun, because the KoMs are between kms 40-50. Could be carnage and somebody's GC could be over before it's begun.

    I'm unlikely to post much for the next week or so, as I'm on hols and only have the phone.
    So I sure won't be doing any early stage threads. Thursday week probs.
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  • itboffinitboffin Posts: 19,574
    i just hope its not a boring as the other races so far this year
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  • AlejandrosdogAlejandrosdog Posts: 2,007
    I predict a bore fest
  • mididoctorsmididoctors Posts: 7,107

    I'm unlikely to post much for the next week or so, as I'm on hols and only have the phone.
    So I sure won't be doing any early stage threads. Thursday week probs.

    You up for doing them day by day during the tour proper when you return?
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • mididoctorsmididoctors Posts: 7,107
    I predict a bore fest

    Maybe how's that going to come about?
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • AlejandrosdogAlejandrosdog Posts: 2,007
    I predict a bore fest

    Maybe how's that going to come about?

    Good question, Ineos are so strong that the race may we’ll be dead bar manufactured drama between Thomas and Bernal while everyone marks each other out in a very hilly edition. Alternatively bernal might kill everyone in the first day in the mountains.

    On the other hand, one or more key Ineos riders may fall off, leaving it far wider and it could turn out to be a corker :)
  • mididoctorsmididoctors Posts: 7,107
    I predict a bore fest

    Maybe how's that going to come about?

    Good question, Ineos are so strong that the race may we’ll be dead bar manufactured drama between Thomas and Bernal while everyone marks each other out in a very hilly edition. Alternatively bernal might kill everyone in the first day in the mountains.

    On the other hand, one or more key Ineos riders may fall off, leaving it far wider and it could turn out to be a corker :)


    Basically .... Boring because Ineos.
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 46,502 Lives Here
    I think Prudhome is pretty good at the opening week's route.

    They're always pretty interesting.

    It's been pretty hard to light up the GT race as the competition hasn't really been there, and perhpas there's some criticism to be levelled there (but what would you have done differently), but the Tour day-to-day is much improved over pre-2007 Tours.
  • mididoctorsmididoctors Posts: 7,107
    I agree all the GTs have improved . As has cycling.
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 22,889
    Teams are starting to be announced. Jumbo-Visma announced there's so long ago I think it had Freire and Menchov in it

    Lotto-Soudal, Ewen, Monfort, Benoot, Keukeleire, Kluge, Wellens, De Gendt, De Buyst
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  • poptart242poptart242 Posts: 464
    RichN95 wrote:
    Teams are starting to be announced. Jumbo-Visma announced there's so long ago I think it had Freire and Menchov in it

    Lotto-Soudal, Ewen, Monfort, Benoot, Keukeleire, Kluge, Wellens, De Gendt, De Buyst

    Arkea announced their first six riders (whole confirmed teams have a green tick):

    https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/to ... /startlist
  • poptart242 wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    Teams are starting to be announced. Jumbo-Visma announced there's so long ago I think it had Freire and Menchov in it

    Lotto-Soudal, Ewen, Monfort, Benoot, Keukeleire, Kluge, Wellens, De Gendt, De Buyst

    Arkea announced their first six riders (whole confirmed teams have a green tick):

    https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/to ... /startlist


    Glad Delaplace gets a ride - betting he's in the first break in the neutralised section? One day it will pay off
  • mididoctorsmididoctors Posts: 7,107
    Don't know till you try
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  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 22,889
    Wanty team: G.Martin, Backaert, A.De Gendt (no relation), Offredo, Van Meslen, Eiking, Meurisse, Pasqualon

    Elsewhere there is talk of Simon Yates riding as well as Adam. (Maybe teams are finally cottoning on to Sky's usual tactic of taking their Giro leader to the Tour)
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  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 46,502 Lives Here
    RichN95 wrote:
    Wanty team: G.Martin, Backaert, A.De Gendt (no relation), Offredo, Van Meslen, Eiking, Meurisse, Pasqualon

    Elsewhere there is talk of Simon Yates riding as well as Adam. (Maybe teams are finally cottoning on to Sky's usual tactic of taking their Giro leader to the Tour)

    Of all the teams, Michelton probably have the best 'all for the team' culture to actually make the best use of multiple GC threats.

    Sky do do it, albeit reluctantly.

    Movistar have had the talent on the bike but not in the car to do so. There are suggestions the addition of Sciandri as DS has changed that, but I think the jury's out so far.
  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 22,889
    RichN95 wrote:
    Wanty team: G.Martin, Backaert, A.De Gendt (no relation), Offredo, Van Meslen, Eiking, Meurisse, Pasqualon

    Elsewhere there is talk of Simon Yates riding as well as Adam. (Maybe teams are finally cottoning on to Sky's usual tactic of taking their Giro leader to the Tour)

    Of all the teams, Michelton probably have the best 'all for the team' culture to actually make the best use of multiple GC threats.

    Sky do do it, albeit reluctantly.

    Movistar have had the talent on the bike but not in the car to do so. There are suggestions the addition of Sciandri as DS has changed that, but I think the jury's out so far.
    But what Sky did for the last four years was send their best 8 or 9 riders to the Tour. No exceptions. Porte, Landa, Thomas, Froome - leaders at the Giro, but still in the Tour team. Other teams still split their top riders between the Tour & the Giro.

    Again this year you won't be able to name a rider that could significantly improve Ineos, but you probably can for all the other WT teams.
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  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 46,502 Lives Here
    Yeah not disagreeing - thought you wonder whether that is cause or effect.

    If you're mitchelton, you see Sky's roster for the Tour and may think "why bother, we're better off gunning for stuff elsewhere".
  • No_Ta_DoctorNo_Ta_Doctor Posts: 9,464
    I'm standing by my earlier prediction that for GC this is going to be relentlessly boring.
    Ineos still look exceptionally strong and capable of controlling pretty much anything. They have the top two favourites for the Tour. If there's any excitement it will come from "the leadership question" between them.

    The rest will be happy enough with a podium or a top ten, and won't take risks. There are no multiple GC winners who would be ready for a hail-Mary attack from distance to try and grab yellow. They'll sit in wheels and mark each other for the placings.

    If I'm wrong, then my best guess is that it's Astana that try and make a race of it.
    “Road racing was over and the UCI had banned my riding positions on the track, so it was like ‘Jings, crivvens, help ma Boab, what do I do now? I know, I’ll go away and be depressed for 10 years’.”

    @DrHeadgear

    The Vikings are coming!
  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 22,889
    Yeah not disagreeing - thought you wonder whether that is cause or effect.

    If you're mitchelton, you see Sky's roster for the Tour and may think "why bother, we're better off gunning for stuff elsewhere".
    If that is the approach of teams, when did it start? And is it Ineos or Froome they are avoiding?

    I've always found the Sky dominate/salary cap type talk a little hollow when other teams don;t turn up with their best 8. Sure, they have greater strength in depth than most, but man for man several teams can match them, Froome aside.
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