May has gone - ding dong the utter, utter, total failure of a prime minister is gone

rick_chasey

Stevo, out of interest would you be saying the same if it had been anti-Corbyn neighbours did the same thing to him?

I’m a uncomfortable about neighbours selling it to the press (my feelings about stuff being recorded and sold to the press has been quite clear...), but I’m more uncomfortable about the press going after them. Reporting that kind of stuff is often the only way physically abusive relationships get stopped.

I had, in hindsight, an alcoholic neighbour downstairs and twice had to call the police. Each time nothing happened but eventually she got the courage to move out with the help of two big lad mates, but only after a bit of a fight ending up in a couple bloody faces. PThe guy ended up living in such squalor he, and so we, got a rat infestation.

It’s not something you do particularly lightly as you still live next door and it’s pretty obvious who’s done the calling, and I had to make sure my misses wasn’t heading out around the same time he was in case he kicked off for weeks afterwards.

robert88

Apart from being noisy, the fact that there was a big fallout between a wannabe Prime Minister and someone with whom he is in a fresh unmarried relationship is unusual. Stranger still is his total refusal to discuss the matter and the involvement of his laptop, not mention the glass of wine. ('When the wine is in, the wit is out' and 'In vino veritas' spring to mind.)

The question over the strength of the bond between him and his recent domestic opponent is now important. How much does she know? Why was there a struggle over a laptop? Can she be trusted with whatever information she has about a seriously dubious character who wants to lead the country? Does she have a price? I would advise her to avoid meeting politicians on the roof of any tall buildings.


Is this Borisgate? Yes, there ARE tapes but will there be a movie?

rick_chasey

The state of this.



“Remain couple”.

Think a few people have lost their heads over the past three years.

pblakeney

No point in concerning yourself about the content of a message if you can simply shoot the messenger.

rolf_f

I'm beginning to wonder if Stevo might be a good candidate to be the next PM. He seems to have the requisite character......

Meanwhile - https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ie-symonds

Presumably these must all be leftie lunatics. Makes you wonder why Bojo would live in a flat in a block full of raging Commies. Surely in Camberwell there must be a small oasis somewhere where the true blues can huddle safely together and have violent rows with their partners undisturbed?

rick_chasey

Rolf F wrote:

I'm beginning to wonder if Stevo might be a good candidate to be the next PM. He seems to have the requisite character......

Meanwhile - https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ie-symonds

Presumably these must all be leftie lunatics. Makes you wonder why Bojo would live in a flat in a block full of raging Commies. Surely in Camberwell there must be a small oasis somewhere where the true blues can huddle safely together and have violent rows with their partners undisturbed?

Champagne socialists, natch.

Though someone did make the point that the London housing crisis must be bad if even someone as loaded as Johnson can't have his domestics in peace.

rjsterry

Rick Chasey wrote:

Rolf F wrote:

I'm beginning to wonder if Stevo might be a good candidate to be the next PM. He seems to have the requisite character......

Meanwhile - https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ie-symonds

Presumably these must all be leftie lunatics. Makes you wonder why Bojo would live in a flat in a block full of raging Commies. Surely in Camberwell there must be a small oasis somewhere where the true blues can huddle safely together and have violent rows with their partners undisturbed?

Champagne socialists, natch.

Though someone did make the point that the London housing crisis must be bad if even someone as loaded as Johnson can't have his domestics in peace.

I mean this is the posh bit of Camberwell; who was he expecting his neighbours to be?

robert88

Rolf F wrote:

I'm beginning to wonder if Stevo might be a good candidate to be the next PM. He seems to have the requisite character......

He spends too much time on cycling forums.

rolf_f

Robert88 wrote:

Rolf F wrote:

I'm beginning to wonder if Stevo might be a good candidate to be the next PM. He seems to have the requisite character......

He spends too much time on cycling forums.

True. And, he's still someone I'd stand a drink unlike the actual candidates (Stewart aside). But he does have that whole Tory "I'm not actually prepared to own up to which pond life I'm going to vote for and say is great despite all that stuff I said about them last month and, by the way, just to distract you from your question, isn't Corbyn terrible?" thing going on perfectly!

sungod

pure speculation, but as johnson's a self-confessed user, seems possible he took a huge toke on his camberwell carrot, discovered she'd taken the last saveloy, and barely-repressed psychosis took hold

later, he was able to straighten the rozzers with the usual (they always recognise the need for flexibility with people from depraved backgrounds)

pmq should be fun in future

TheBigBean

Rick Chasey wrote:

Stevo, out of interest would you be saying the same if it had been anti-Corbyn neighbours did the same thing to him?

I’m a uncomfortable about neighbours selling it to the press (my feelings about stuff being recorded and sold to the press has been quite clear...), but I’m more uncomfortable about the press going after them. Reporting that kind of stuff is often the only way physically abusive relationships get stopped.

I had, in hindsight, an alcoholic neighbour downstairs and twice had to call the police. Each time nothing happened but eventually she got the courage to move out with the help of two big lad mates, but only after a bit of a fight ending up in a couple bloody faces. PThe guy ended up living in such squalor he, and so we, got a rat infestation.

It’s not something you do particularly lightly as you still live next door and it’s pretty obvious who’s done the calling, and I had to make sure my misses wasn’t heading out around the same time he was in case he kicked off for weeks afterwards.

Is your conclusion that this is a case of domestic violence? And if so, are you certain who the victim is?

The Guardian, as always, loses creditability by only publishing select words. If the issue was in the national interest, they could publish full sentences and allow their readers to make up their minds.

rick_chasey

TheBigBean wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Stevo, out of interest would you be saying the same if it had been anti-Corbyn neighbours did the same thing to him?

I’m a uncomfortable about neighbours selling it to the press (my feelings about stuff being recorded and sold to the press has been quite clear...), but I’m more uncomfortable about the press going after them. Reporting that kind of stuff is often the only way physically abusive relationships get stopped.

I had, in hindsight, an alcoholic neighbour downstairs and twice had to call the police. Each time nothing happened but eventually she got the courage to move out with the help of two big lad mates, but only after a bit of a fight ending up in a couple bloody faces. PThe guy ended up living in such squalor he, and so we, got a rat infestation.

It’s not something you do particularly lightly as you still live next door and it’s pretty obvious who’s done the calling, and I had to make sure my misses wasn’t heading out around the same time he was in case he kicked off for weeks afterwards.

Is your conclusion that this is a case of domestic violence? And if so, are you certain who the victim is?

The Guardian, as always, loses creditability by only publishing select words. If the issue was in the national interest, they could publish full sentences and allow their readers to make up their minds.

No (presumably not as the rozzers said nothing), but I from my own experience there was always a lot of doubt about whether I should call the police in a case where, in hindsight, it was very obvious. Even then, each time the police didn't do anything. So if I'd just read that, that might just tip me in to not reporting something which maybe I should be.

I don't think going after the people who reported it (to both the police and the guardian) is particularly helpful. If they don't think it's a big deal, just don't report it at all. This attack dog approach, where anyone who's not on *your side* is fair game is a bit much.

I find journos going after people who leak indiscretions of political leaders to the papers very hypocritical as well. The whole thing stinks. Guardian ought to have not published (unless there's more to this than they are allowed to report on, but I am sceptical), and the other papers should absolutely not do a hatchet job on the leakers just because of their political persuasion.

Being a supporter of particular politics should not determine whether your evidence is allowed to be considered or not. Either the evidence is worthy of merit, in which case it should be reported on, or you don't think it is, and you don't therefore report it.

surrey_commuter

amrushton wrote:

so we have the police round to investigate possible domestic disturbance on the same day a member of the same party is suspended for holding a woman by the neck. Sometimes you can't make this stuff up. Johnsons campaign team must be made of sterner stuff than me. Has anyone ever said a good thing about him (apart from his family)?

Max Hastings the whinging leftie gave him a character reference

“Boris is a gold medal egomaniac. I would not trust him with my wife nor – from painful experience – my wallet. His chaotic public persona is not an act – he is indeed manically disorganised about everything except his own image management. He is also a far more ruthless and frankly, nastier, figure than the public appreciates. I would not take Boris’s word about whether it is Monday or Tuesday. He is not a man to believe in, to trust or respect, save as a superlative exhibitionist. He is bereft of judgement, loyalty or discretion. Only in the star-crazed, frivolous Britain of the 21st Century, could such a man have risen so high, and he is utterly unfit to go higher still.”

orraloon

Surrey Commuter wrote:

amrushton wrote:

so we have the police round to investigate possible domestic disturbance on the same day a member of the same party is suspended for holding a woman by the neck. Sometimes you can't make this stuff up. Johnsons campaign team must be made of sterner stuff than me. Has anyone ever said a good thing about him (apart from his family)?

Max Hastings the whinging leftie gave him a character reference

“Boris is a gold medal egomaniac. I would not trust him with my wife nor – from painful experience – my wallet. His chaotic public persona is not an act – he is indeed manically disorganised about everything except his own image management. He is also a far more ruthless and frankly, nastier, figure than the public appreciates. I would not take Boris’s word about whether it is Monday or Tuesday. He is not a man to believe in, to trust or respect, save as a superlative exhibitionist. He is bereft of judgement, loyalty or discretion. Only in the star-crazed, frivolous Britain of the 21st Century, could such a man have risen so high, and he is utterly unfit to go higher still.”

Yebbut, Max Hastings used to work for the BBC so obvs is a biased leftie.

Ignore the Charterhouse, Oxford University, Torygraph and 'Stannard parts of course.

rolf_f

More bilge from the ever dismal Priti Patel.

“The very prospect of someone taping someone in their private home, frankly, tells me that is politically motivated,” Patel said. “And that is not the type of behaviour that you would expect in our country. It’s the type of behaviour associated with the old Eastern Bloc.”

Yes, because the old Eastern Bloc was always getting its info by waiting for people to have public rows and listening to them - why waste money on bugs. I remember that plot line time and again from Harry Palmer films. FFS.

robert88

He's ducked the Sky News Leadership debate.

Has he realised he is simply not up to the job at last?

bianchimoon

Rolf F wrote:

More bilge from the ever dismal Priti Patel.

“The very prospect of someone taping someone in their private home, frankly, tells me that is politically motivated,” Patel said. “And that is not the type of behaviour that you would expect in our country. It’s the type of behaviour associated with the old Eastern Bloc.”

Yes, because the old Eastern Bloc was always getting its info by waiting for people to have public rows and listening to them - why waste money on bugs. I remember that plot line time and again from Harry Palmer films. FFS.

Hmm Priti Patel

Generally voted for requiring the mass retention of information about communications

Voted for mass surveillance of people’s communications and activities

rolf_f

Rolf F wrote:

More hypocritical bilge from the ever dismal Priti Patel.

Apologies. Fixed that for me.

kingstongraham

https://twitter.com/George_Osborne/stat ... 7701580800

First comment - "WHO TOOK THIS PHOTO? WHAT IS THEIR POLITICAL BIAS? WE MUST NAME AND SHAME! THIS WAS A PRIVATE MOMENT!!!!!!!!"

john80

Robert88 wrote:

He's ducked the Sky News Leadership debate.

Has he realised he is simply not up to the job at last?

Or alternatively maybe he regards the debate as not in his interests. Is it his job to go to a debate to have a likely large amount of dirt thrown at him by Hunt. If you are not a Tory member then you don't have a vote so me listening to the two of them is not particularly productive use of my time.

rjsterry

john80 wrote:

Robert88 wrote:

He's ducked the Sky News Leadership debate.

Has he realised he is simply not up to the job at last?

Or alternatively maybe he regards the debate as not in his interests. Is it his job to go to a debate to have a likely large amount of dirt thrown at him by Hunt. If you are not a Tory member then you don't have a vote so me listening to the two of them is not particularly productive use of my time.

Yeah, it's not like he's pitching for an important job or anything.

rjsterry

The Standard now running a picture shot as though taken over a garden fence showing him 'making up' with Symonds. The paper says the picture has "emerged" but it's so obviously staged I'm embarrassed for both of them and for George.

bianchimoon

KingstonGraham wrote:

https://twitter.com/George_Osborne/status/1143101577701580800

First comment - "WHO TOOK THIS PHOTO? WHAT IS THEIR POLITICAL BIAS? WE MUST NAME AND SHAME! THIS WAS A PRIVATE MOMENT!!!!!!!!"

that front cover is a mock up or a set up or an old pic right? good journo's have lost their career over less!

rick_chasey

KingstonGraham wrote:

https://twitter.com/George_Osborne/status/1143101577701580800

First comment - "WHO TOOK THIS PHOTO? WHAT IS THEIR POLITICAL BIAS? WE MUST NAME AND SHAME! THIS WAS A PRIVATE MOMENT!!!!!!!!"

Well yeah. Either your private life is that, private, or if you use it for your own professional gain (in this instance political) then, presumably, it's fair game, no?

I'm sympathetic to the argument that the neighbours shouldn't send recordings of domestics to the papers, but then BoJo can't pose for pictures with his girlfriend a few days later to be papped.

People no longer care about being seen to be hypocritical. It's just - are they on your side or not. The means justify the end.

"I don't care whether my uber driver can't survive on the wage, I want my cheap taxi".

"I don't care that amazon mistreat their workers, I want my free postage on cheap products"

"I don't care the prime minister is a fibber, he owns the libtards"

Pathetic, the whole thing.

orraloon

Is what we all collectively voted for, so....

robert88

bianchimoon wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

https://twitter.com/George_Osborne/status/1143101577701580800

First comment - "WHO TOOK THIS PHOTO? WHAT IS THEIR POLITICAL BIAS? WE MUST NAME AND SHAME! THIS WAS A PRIVATE MOMENT!!!!!!!!"

that front cover is a mock up or a set up or an old pic right? good journo's have lost their career over less!

Why would he grow his hair so quickly just for one photograph?

rolf_f

Rick Chasey wrote:

People no longer care about being seen to be hypocritical. It's just - are they on your side or not. The means justify the end.

"I don't care whether my uber driver can't survive on the wage, I want my cheap taxi".

"I don't care that amazon mistreat their workers, I want my free postage on cheap products"

"I don't care the prime minister is a fibber, he owns the libtards"

Pathetic, the whole thing.

Thanks for listing these things. Sometimes I wonder if I'm the only one who cares. It's good to know that is not the case.....

robert88

Rick Chasey wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

https://twitter.com/George_Osborne/status/1143101577701580800

First comment - "WHO TOOK THIS PHOTO? WHAT IS THEIR POLITICAL BIAS? WE MUST NAME AND SHAME! THIS WAS A PRIVATE MOMENT!!!!!!!!"

Well yeah. Either your private life is that, private, or if you use it for your own professional gain (in this instance political) then, presumably, it's fair game, no?

I'm sympathetic to the argument that the neighbours shouldn't send recordings of domestics to the papers, but then BoJo can't pose for pictures with his girlfriend a few days later to be papped.

People no longer care about being seen to be hypocritical. It's just - are they on your side or not. The means justify the end.

"I don't care whether my uber driver can't survive on the wage, I want my cheap taxi".

"I don't care that amazon mistreat their workers, I want my free postage on cheap products"

"I don't care the prime minister is a fibber, he owns the libtards"

Pathetic, the whole thing.

You can't conflate people looking to get something for the best price with the failure of government to protect workers rights.

Do you remember those things we used to have called 'Trade Unions'. That used to stand up for the rights of their members?

Once I worked for a company that encouraged union membership because it gave the management a means of negotiating a deal that its workers found fair and reasonable. We never took industrial action ever; we didn't feel the need. Then management changed and got ambitious, there were takeovers and redundancies and our terms of employment were whittled away. Management took away the union's representative status and formed a staff association whose leaders were chosen by management and not the members. The staff association meant SFA.

It's dog eat dog now mate. That's we have been voting for the last 40 years.

rick_chasey

I don't disagree.

I have previously drawn a line from more 'on demand' services and how that translates to more 'on demand' politics.

"I want x, my politician is selling x in return for my vote, I voted, I want my x" - there's a whole lack of understanding of what politics is about; how the sausage of politics is made. I think that attitude is more prevalent generally than it used to be - maybe I'm wrong.

john80

rjsterry wrote:

john80 wrote:

Robert88 wrote:

He's ducked the Sky News Leadership debate.

Has he realised he is simply not up to the job at last?

Or alternatively maybe he regards the debate as not in his interests. Is it his job to go to a debate to have a likely large amount of dirt thrown at him by Hunt. If you are not a Tory member then you don't have a vote so me listening to the two of them is not particularly productive use of my time.

Yeah, it's not like he's pitching for an important job or anything.

I hope you joined the Tory party over three months ago to get your say in this important appointment as it clearly niggles you. Unfortunately if you have not then you have no say in this important position and should maybe take a chill pill unless you want to rewrite the rules for our parties leadership selection processes.