May has gone - ding dong the utter, utter, total failure of a prime minister is gone

MatthewfalleMatthewfalle Posts: 17,571
edited 22 July in The cake stop
she has finally announced she is going.

where does this leave it all.

discuss.
Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

De Sisti wrote:
This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D
smithy21 wrote:

He's right you know.
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  • bompingtonbompington Posts: 6,804
    Who knows? But one thing's for sure, it doesn't leave us better off.
  • Robert88Robert88 Posts: 2,722
    So what month is this now then?

    Anyway, whilst I dislike her, I think 'witch' is perhaps harsh especially as her spell in power didn't work out.
  • Ben6899Ben6899 Posts: 7,071
    Robert88 wrote:
    So what month is this now then?

    Anyway, whilst I dislike her, I think 'witch' is perhaps harsh especially as her spell in power didn't work out.

    Her voting history is deplorable though.
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  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 15,270
    bompington wrote:
    Who knows? But one thing's for sure, it doesn't leave us better off.

    Indeed. Adrift would be my answer.
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  • Shirley BassoShirley Basso Posts: 3,132
    This from BBC comments:

    Her 3 year legacy:

    Inherited the first Conservative election majority since 1992. Called an unnecessary election and lost the majority.

    Her flagship policy suffered a record defeat in the Commons.

    40 ministers resign from her government.

    Caused irreconcilable differences and nastiness in the country.

    Huge losses at council and European elections.


    And the positives:

    None.
  • ProssPross Posts: 21,050
    It's a mess. A pointless referendum that very few people wanted in order to tried to fix internal divisions within a political party and all it has achieved is to make those Party divisions even wider whilst also splitting the general population that previously weren't bothered. You have to be either mad or a narcissist (or both) to want to take on the leadership in the current situation so there won't be a shortage of applicants.
  • bompingtonbompington Posts: 6,804
    Caused irreconcilable differences and nastiness in the country.
    Was it really May who caused this? Sure, she didn't do anything to make it better, but I'm not even convinced that she is the one responsible for making it worse - the blame for that lies with everyone who has done or said anything to polarise and inflame the debate: particularly, I would say, "othering" the other side.

    Which, if we're being honest, is most of us at least some of the time: but some are far more guilty than others.
  • kingstongrahamkingstongraham Posts: 7,354
    bompington wrote:
    Caused irreconcilable differences and nastiness in the country.
    Was it really May who caused this? Sure, she didn't do anything to make it better, but I'm not even convinced that she is the one responsible for making it worse - the blame for that lies with everyone who has done or said anything to polarise and inflame the debate: particularly, I would say, "othering" the other side.

    Which, if we're being honest, is most of us at least some of the time: but some are far more guilty than others.

    :lol:

    Yes, I blame that lot.
    and then the next thing you know
  • Shirley BassoShirley Basso Posts: 3,132
    Did you watch the channel 4 mini-film about the brexit campaign with Benedict Cumberbatch?

    Fascinating and terrifying
  • MatthewfalleMatthewfalle Posts: 17,571
    This from BBC comments:

    Her 3 year legacy:

    Inherited the first Conservative election majority since 1992. Called an unnecessary election and lost the majority.

    Her flagship policy suffered a record defeat in the Commons.

    40 ministers resign from her government.

    Caused irreconcilable differences and nastiness in the country.

    Huge losses at council and European elections.


    And the positives:

    None.

    in addition .....

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... esignation
    Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

    De Sisti wrote:
    This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

    Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D
    smithy21 wrote:

    He's right you know.
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 43,802 Lives Here
    bompington wrote:
    Caused irreconcilable differences and nastiness in the country.
    Was it really May who caused this? Sure, she didn't do anything to make it better, but I'm not even convinced that she is the one responsible for making it worse - the blame for that lies with everyone who has done or said anything to polarise and inflame the debate: particularly, I would say, "othering" the other side.

    Which, if we're being honest, is most of us at least some of the time: but some are far more guilty than others.

    If she'd flexed on the free movement of labour issue I reckon she'd have had a better than evens to get it through parliament...
  • veronese68veronese68 Posts: 21,996 Lives Here
    rjsterry wrote:
    bompington wrote:
    Who knows? But one thing's for sure, it doesn't leave us better off.
    Indeed. Adrift would be my answer.
    Unfortunately I believe this to be true.
  • tangled_metaltangled_metal Posts: 3,951
    Didn't she announce she'd be leaving before? I know that was an attempt at bribing MPs to vote for the WA by saying she'd quit when it hit through but it did mean she was still on her way out. She was pretty much dead politically then. As with Brexit she dragged it out a bit too long.
  • surrey_commutersurrey_commuter Posts: 8,436
    bompington wrote:
    Caused irreconcilable differences and nastiness in the country.
    Was it really May who caused this? Sure, she didn't do anything to make it better, but I'm not even convinced that she is the one responsible for making it worse - the blame for that lies with everyone who has done or said anything to polarise and inflame the debate: particularly, I would say, "othering" the other side.

    Which, if we're being honest, is most of us at least some of the time: but some are far more guilty than others.

    If she'd flexed on the free movement of labour issue I reckon she'd have had a better than evens to get it through parliament...

    should have figured out her plan before triggering A50, then would have realised ERG were the problem not the solution which would have meant building consensus in the middle.
  • homers_doublehomers_double Posts: 6,340
    Her job was no doubt the worst of all and whatever she did there will always be haters.

    Adrift is a pretty good description of where we are now.
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  • john80john80 Posts: 627
    bompington wrote:
    Caused irreconcilable differences and nastiness in the country.
    Was it really May who caused this? Sure, she didn't do anything to make it better, but I'm not even convinced that she is the one responsible for making it worse - the blame for that lies with everyone who has done or said anything to polarise and inflame the debate: particularly, I would say, "othering" the other side.

    Which, if we're being honest, is most of us at least some of the time: but some are far more guilty than others.

    If she'd flexed on the free movement of labour issue I reckon she'd have had a better than evens to get it through parliament...

    I am actually curious in terms of how far you are willing to take this. So she agrees to pay into the EU for trade, agrees free movement of people, agrees to a customs union where we can't then control our trade policy with nations outside the EU. The reason we have got to this point is that a large majority of pro remain MP's thought the answer was to continue to compromise till the point we had even less control that at present. That is a deal that Rodders would be proud of.
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 43,802 Lives Here
    john80 wrote:
    bompington wrote:
    Caused irreconcilable differences and nastiness in the country.
    Was it really May who caused this? Sure, she didn't do anything to make it better, but I'm not even convinced that she is the one responsible for making it worse - the blame for that lies with everyone who has done or said anything to polarise and inflame the debate: particularly, I would say, "othering" the other side.

    Which, if we're being honest, is most of us at least some of the time: but some are far more guilty than others.

    If she'd flexed on the free movement of labour issue I reckon she'd have had a better than evens to get it through parliament...

    I am actually curious in terms of how far you are willing to take this. So she agrees to pay into the EU for trade, agrees free movement of people, agrees to a customs union where we can't then control our trade policy with nations outside the EU. The reason we have got to this point is that a large majority of pro remain MP's thought the answer was to continue to compromise till the point we had even less control that at present. That is a deal that Rodders would be proud of.

    Well that was the Brexit that was campaigned on by the main leave protagonists. Given that fact, and the result of the referendum, surely that is the only Brexit that actually has a mandate?
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 43,802 Lives Here
    https://fullfact.org/europe/what-was-pr ... eferendum/

    here, about half way down, Brexit does not mean leaving the single market is said explicit by Gove, Johnson and Hannan and even Aaron Banks and Farage talk about the "Norway option" in the campaign.
  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 15,270
    https://fullfact.org/europe/what-was-promised-about-customs-union-referendum/

    here, about half way down, Brexit does not mean leaving the single market is said explicit by Gove, Johnson and Hannan and even Aaron Banks and Farage talk about the "Norway option" in the campaign.

    The argument is that May then called a GE with a manifesto containing a different version of Brexit. The result of that GE provided a mandate - albeit a weak one - for the that different version of Brexit.
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  • Robert88Robert88 Posts: 2,722
    "Brexit meant MyExit" the Musical

    By Cameron and May.
  • kingstongrahamkingstongraham Posts: 7,354
    rjsterry wrote:
    https://fullfact.org/europe/what-was-promised-about-customs-union-referendum/

    here, about half way down, Brexit does not mean leaving the single market is said explicit by Gove, Johnson and Hannan and even Aaron Banks and Farage talk about the "Norway option" in the campaign.

    The argument is that May then called a GE with a manifesto containing a different version of Brexit. The result of that GE provided a mandate - albeit a weak one - for the that different version of Brexit.

    How close does the manifesto come to the withdrawal agreement?
    and then the next thing you know
  • chris_basschris_bass Posts: 4,875
    remainers did say that brexit would lead to job losses
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  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 15,270
    rjsterry wrote:
    https://fullfact.org/europe/what-was-promised-about-customs-union-referendum/

    here, about half way down, Brexit does not mean leaving the single market is said explicit by Gove, Johnson and Hannan and even Aaron Banks and Farage talk about the "Norway option" in the campaign.

    The argument is that May then called a GE with a manifesto containing a different version of Brexit. The result of that GE provided a mandate - albeit a weak one - for the that different version of Brexit.

    How close does the manifesto come to the withdrawal agreement?

    I'll admit to not having done a line by line comparison.
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  • mamil314mamil314 Posts: 1,103
    Reported thread title, I don't believe this forum needs to cater to this.
  • Shirley BassoShirley Basso Posts: 3,132
    What? Faux outrage much?
  • MatthewfalleMatthewfalle Posts: 17,571
    thread title changed because Mamil felt OUTRAGE

    #anger
    #freespeech
    #we'renotallTories
    Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

    De Sisti wrote:
    This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

    Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D
    smithy21 wrote:

    He's right you know.
  • First.AspectFirst.Aspect Posts: 2,815
    edited 24 May
    mamil314 wrote:
    Reported thread title, I don't believe this forum needs to cater to this.
    are you seriously objecting to "ding dong the witch is gone"?

    It's the word "dong" isn't it, because it could mean penis?
  • rjsterryrjsterry Posts: 15,270
    thread title changed because Mamil felt OUTRAGE

    #anger
    #freespeech

    #we'renotallTories

    Having a Yaxley-Lennon moment there, MF? ;)
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  • DeVlaeminckDeVlaeminck Posts: 5,260
    I can understand where May was coming from, she seemed to see herself as a kind of unifying leader in the middle of two extremes but it's been clear for a while she was unwilling or incapable of building a majority around any kind of way forward and she's really just been slowing down progress. Of course depending on our destination we may end up wishing progress had been slowed even more but she's overstayed her welcome and I doubt many from any political perspective will think she should stay.

    Hard to really feel much about her going as there is so little certainty as to where we go now.
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  • Robert88Robert88 Posts: 2,722
    I can understand where May was coming from, she seemed to see herself as a kind of unifying leader in the middle of two extremes but it's been clear for a while she was unwilling or incapable of building a majority around any kind of way forward and she's really just been slowing down progress. Of course depending on our destination we may end up wishing progress had been slowed even more but she's overstayed her welcome and I doubt many from any political perspective will think she should stay.

    Hard to really feel much about her going as there is so little certainty as to where we go now.

    Yes, there's no question you knew where you stood when May was at the helm.
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