May has gone - ding dong the utter, utter, total failure of a prime minister is gone

Stevo_666

TailWindHome wrote:

We've arrived at the situation where neither the presumptive PM or leader of the opposition are fit for public office.

Re: the last part, job's a good'un, wouldn't you say?
https://forum.bikeradar.com/viewtopic.php?f=40088&t=13030866

rjsterry

Stevo 666 wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

We've arrived at the situation where neither the presumptive PM or leader of the opposition are fit for public office.

Re: the last part, job's a good'un, wouldn't you say?
https://forum.bikeradar.com/viewtopic.php?f=40088&t=13030866

Just the serial liar to resolve, then. Or we might end up with the former in No. 10.

Stevo_666

rjsterry wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

We've arrived at the situation where neither the presumptive PM or leader of the opposition are fit for public office.

Re: the last part, job's a good'un, wouldn't you say?
https://forum.bikeradar.com/viewtopic.php?f=40088&t=13030866

Just the serial liar to resolve, then. Or we might end up with the former in No. 10.

Depends if you prefer a serial socialist?

robert88

Stevo 666 wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

We've arrived at the situation where neither the presumptive PM or leader of the opposition are fit for public office.

Re: the last part, job's a good'un, wouldn't you say?
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Stevo 666 wrote:

What a fantastic idea

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/politics-blog/11680016/Why-Tories-should-join-Labour-and-back-Jeremy-Corbyn.html

If this goes viral, for the measly sum of £3 each we can put Jeremy Corbyn in charge of the Labour party, consigning Labour to electoral oblivion for quite some time. Quite a few people need to register to make it work, as it says in the link:
"Could this actually work? That depends on how many Tories sign up. The size of the Labour leadership electorate is projected to be 240,000 or thereabouts, so quite large. Second preferences are redistributed and, assuming Liz Kendal’s eliminated first, followed by Yvette Cooper, I can’t see him getting many of those. To win, therefore, Corbyn would need to get close to 50 per cent of first preferences – quite a tall order, even in a party as bats**t crazy as Labour."

I'm now a registered supporter of the Labour party Come on comrades, your country needs you - get registered and tell your friends...

OK, so assuming that your tactical voting idea worked, what you achieved was an opposition that your own leader found it impossible to work with in order to achieve a trading agreement with the EU?

Furthermore, as a knock-on effect the favourite to lead the Tory party and the country in future is an unprincipled, lying, opportunist, covered in a wafer-thin layer of smarm 'n' charm hiding who knows what. A leader quite rightly held in contempt by many of our allies and neighbours and happy to converse and be influenced by the extreme right. A man so vile that Jeremy Hunt is preferable and yet who thinks he is some sort of Winston Churchill figure .

Are you really happy to be judged by the company you clearly aspire to?

surfercyclist

You guys never heard the saying that politics or religion shouldn't be discussed as it only leads to trouble?

DeVlaeminck

Rick Chasey wrote:

Unless there's some massive BoJo sh!tshow that they've kept under wraps till now, he's gonna get it.

The question remains of course, what did BoJo do between the last leadership election and this one, to change so many MP's minds?

It comes to something when I'm hoping Jeremy Hunt becomes PM. I don't know if this argument with his partner is enough to dissuade their membership from voting for Boris but the episode just reinforces how unsuited he is to lead the country.

How anyone could vote for this Conservative party I don't know.

rjsterry

Stevo 666 wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

We've arrived at the situation where neither the presumptive PM or leader of the opposition are fit for public office.

Re: the last part, job's a good'un, wouldn't you say?
https://forum.bikeradar.com/viewtopic.php?f=40088&t=13030866

Just the serial liar to resolve, then. Or we might end up with the former in No. 10.

Depends if you prefer a serial socialist?

I don't prefer either. They are differently awful.

With all due reservations about the accuracy of voting intention polls as a prediction of GE results. This does not look good for anyone.

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/ar ... 20-con-20-

And this suggests that Johnson isn't quite the talisman that some party members suppose.

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/ar ... servative-

It's more important for everyone that a conclusion on Brexit is reached. There's not the slightest sign of any new ideas from either of them.

Stevo_666

Robert88 wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

We've arrived at the situation where neither the presumptive PM or leader of the opposition are fit for public office.

Re: the last part, job's a good'un, wouldn't you say?
[

Stevo 666 wrote:

What a fantastic idea

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/politics-blog/11680016/Why-Tories-should-join-Labour-and-back-Jeremy-Corbyn.html

If this goes viral, for the measly sum of £3 each we can put Jeremy Corbyn in charge of the Labour party, consigning Labour to electoral oblivion for quite some time. Quite a few people need to register to make it work, as it says in the link:
"Could this actually work? That depends on how many Tories sign up. The size of the Labour leadership electorate is projected to be 240,000 or thereabouts, so quite large. Second preferences are redistributed and, assuming Liz Kendal’s eliminated first, followed by Yvette Cooper, I can’t see him getting many of those. To win, therefore, Corbyn would need to get close to 50 per cent of first preferences – quite a tall order, even in a party as bats**t crazy as Labour."

I'm now a registered supporter of the Labour party Come on comrades, your country needs you - get registered and tell your friends...

OK, so assuming that your tactical voting idea worked, what you achieved was an opposition that your own leader found it impossible to work with in order to achieve a trading agreement with the EU?

Furthermore, as a knock-on effect the favourite to lead the Tory party and the country in future is an unprincipled, lying, opportunist, covered in a wafer-thin layer of smarm 'n' charm hiding who knows what. A leader quite rightly held in contempt by many of our allies and neighbours and happy to converse and be influenced by the extreme right. A man so vile that Jeremy Hunt is preferable and yet who thinks he is some sort of Winston Churchill figure .

Are you really happy to be judged by the company you clearly aspire to?

It wasn't about Brexit, it was about keeping Labour out of power. I've got very good value for money for my 3 quid outlay, and that's before I take into account the entertainment value of the associated thread on here

Just read the first 10 pages, its fun.

Stevo_666

TailWindHome wrote:

Appears that the people who were 'concerned for the safety' of their neighbour were lefties who are now having to defend their actions. Naturally, the two things you immediately do if you're concerned about your neighbours safety is to record the occurrence and send a copy to the Guardian

Looks like they know who was there and clearly had their views about Boris:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/06/22/left-wing-neighbours-admit-taping-boris-johnson-row-girlfriend/
(It's a paywall link but the visible paragraphs are enough).

Stevo_666

SurferCyclist wrote:

You guys never heard the saying that politics or religion shouldn't be discussed as it only leads to trouble?

Good point, we need a thread about religion...

Jez mon

Stevo 666 wrote:

TailWindHome wrote:

Appears that the people who were 'concerned for the safety' of their neighbour were lefties who are now having to defend their actions. Naturally, the two things you immediately do if you're concerned about your neighbours safety is to record the occurrence and send a copy to the Guardian

Looks like they know who was there and clearly had their views about Boris:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/06/22/left-wing-neighbours-admit-taping-boris-johnson-row-girlfriend/
(It's a paywall link but the visible paragraphs are enough).

It appears that the telegraph are crapping their breeches about this. Nice that their approach is to attack rather than face up to the fact that you probably shouldnt have a shouting match with your other half and throw plates around.

Fairly good public interest argument, I think most of modern society wouldn't want a domestic abuser as a PM.

orraloon

If your neighbour is a council estate scumbag who may be beating up his partnet, it is your duty to call the police.

If your neighbour is an Old Etonian scumbag, then you'd better keep schtum lest you get (some of) the media scrutiny inflicted.

Happy days.

tailwindhome

There seems to be some outrage among journalists who weren't sold the story that a story was sold to a paper.

One of them being the ex of Johnson's girlfriend.

briantrumpet

Stevo 666 wrote:

Appears that the people who were 'concerned for the safety' of their neighbour were lefties who are now having to defend their actions. Naturally, the two things you immediately do if you're concerned about your neighbours safety is to record the occurrence and send a copy to the Guardian

So should left-wingers not be able to raise concerns about right-wingers, or contact the press, and vice versa? If a right-winger had a juicy story on Jeremy Corbyn, they shouldn't be allowed to contact The Telegraph?

tailwindhome

Not the main issue granted, but it's telling that Johnson couldn't be bothered preparing an answer for @IainDale's question at yesterday's hustings.

Stevo_666

briantrumpet wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Appears that the people who were 'concerned for the safety' of their neighbour were lefties who are now having to defend their actions. Naturally, the two things you immediately do if you're concerned about your neighbours safety is to record the occurrence and send a copy to the Guardian

So should left-wingers not be able to raise concerns about right-wingers, or contact the press, and vice versa? If a right-winger had a juicy story on Jeremy Corbyn, they shouldn't be allowed to contact The Telegraph?

Of course they can, it's a free country. I am simply casting doubt on their motives for doing what they did. Also it appears that this thread needs a bit of balance, as do some others on here

Stevo_666

orraloon wrote:

If your neighbour is a council estate scumbag who may be beating up his partnet, it is your duty to call the police.

If your neighbour is an Old Etonian scumbag, then you'd better keep schtum lest you get (some of) the media scrutiny inflicted.

Happy days.

In either case, is it your duty to record it through the wall and send the recording to the Guardian?

briantrumpet

Stevo 666 wrote:

briantrumpet wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Appears that the people who were 'concerned for the safety' of their neighbour were lefties who are now having to defend their actions. Naturally, the two things you immediately do if you're concerned about your neighbours safety is to record the occurrence and send a copy to the Guardian

So should left-wingers not be able to raise concerns about right-wingers, or contact the press, and vice versa? If a right-winger had a juicy story on Jeremy Corbyn, they shouldn't be allowed to contact The Telegraph?

Of course they can, it's a free country. I am simply casting doubt on their motives for doing what they did. Also it appears that this thread needs a bit of balance, as do some others on here

So one's motives for an action must be ideologically pure? Like politicians never pushing for something that would benefit them personally?

Jez mon

Stevo 666 wrote:

orraloon wrote:

If your neighbour is a council estate scumbag who may be beating up his partnet, it is your duty to call the police.

If your neighbour is an Old Etonian scumbag, then you'd better keep schtum lest you get (some of) the media scrutiny inflicted.

Happy days.

In either case, is it your duty to record it through the wall and send the recording to the Guardian?

Quite apart from the don't be an abusive bf angle. Shouting and screaming at midnight is totally anti social, recoding it as evidence is pretty reasonable.

Sending it to a journo, where there is a case for public interest is also a reasonable action.

I mean, if Jezza C was recorded chucking plates at his wife, the Telegraph would be all over it.

tailwindhome

@BorderIrish
Blaming the neighbours when you’re having a row in your own house is quite Brexity

Stevo_666

Jez mon wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

orraloon wrote:

If your neighbour is a council estate scumbag who may be beating up his partnet, it is your duty to call the police.

If your neighbour is an Old Etonian scumbag, then you'd better keep schtum lest you get (some of) the media scrutiny inflicted.

Happy days.

In either case, is it your duty to record it through the wall and send the recording to the Guardian?

Quite apart from the don't be an abusive bf angle. Shouting and screaming at midnight is totally anti social, recoding it as evidence is pretty reasonable.

Sending it to a journo, where there is a case for public interest is also a reasonable action.

I mean, if Jezza C was recorded chucking plates at his wife, the Telegraph would be all over it.

Wonder if they would have done the same thing if they knew that their neighbours had similar political views? There's a reasonable case for leftie sh1t stirring here.

Stevo_666

briantrumpet wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

briantrumpet wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Appears that the people who were 'concerned for the safety' of their neighbour were lefties who are now having to defend their actions. Naturally, the two things you immediately do if you're concerned about your neighbours safety is to record the occurrence and send a copy to the Guardian

So should left-wingers not be able to raise concerns about right-wingers, or contact the press, and vice versa? If a right-winger had a juicy story on Jeremy Corbyn, they shouldn't be allowed to contact The Telegraph?

Of course they can, it's a free country. I am simply casting doubt on their motives for doing what they did. Also it appears that this thread needs a bit of balance, as do some others on here

So one's motives for an action must be ideologically pure? Like politicians never pushing for something that would benefit them personally?

Where did I say that? To repeat my point, they were less concerned about welfare than making political capital. As mentioned above looks like leftie sh1t stirring.

robert88

Stevo 666 wrote:

briantrumpet wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

briantrumpet wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Appears that the people who were 'concerned for the safety' of their neighbour were lefties who are now having to defend their actions. Naturally, the two things you immediately do if you're concerned about your neighbours safety is to record the occurrence and send a copy to the Guardian

So should left-wingers not be able to raise concerns about right-wingers, or contact the press, and vice versa? If a right-winger had a juicy story on Jeremy Corbyn, they shouldn't be allowed to contact The Telegraph?

Of course they can, it's a free country. I am simply casting doubt on their motives for doing what they did. Also it appears that this thread needs a bit of balance, as do some others on here

So one's motives for an action must be ideologically pure? Like politicians never pushing for something that would benefit them personally?

Where did I say that? To repeat my point, they were less concerned about welfare than making political capital. As mentioned above looks like leftie sh1t stirring.

Steve o 666 just have the decency to admit that those who reported the incident are not part of some left-wing extremist plot aiming to foil Johnson's leadership bid.

To claim they are is looking increasingly like a ploy more likely to be met with in Putinesque Russia. Who do you think you are deceiving other than yourself?

They simply behaved in a way normal people do in a normal neighbourhood. Their neighbours were not behaving like that.

In some districts, the less savoury kind, of course, it is best to fit ear plugs and never, ever call on the police. You and sections of the media seem to think that's how Johnson's neighbours should react and just as might happen in some dead-end part of town you and they are out exact retribution.

We should be warned: that is the path down which Johnson and supporters like yourself apparently wish to take us.

briantrumpet

Stevo 666 wrote:

briantrumpet wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

briantrumpet wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Appears that the people who were 'concerned for the safety' of their neighbour were lefties who are now having to defend their actions. Naturally, the two things you immediately do if you're concerned about your neighbours safety is to record the occurrence and send a copy to the Guardian

So should left-wingers not be able to raise concerns about right-wingers, or contact the press, and vice versa? If a right-winger had a juicy story on Jeremy Corbyn, they shouldn't be allowed to contact The Telegraph?

Of course they can, it's a free country. I am simply casting doubt on their motives for doing what they did. Also it appears that this thread needs a bit of balance, as do some others on here

So one's motives for an action must be ideologically pure? Like politicians never pushing for something that would benefit them personally?

Where did I say that? To repeat my point, they were less concerned about welfare than making political capital. As mentioned above looks like leftie sh1t stirring.

Oh, you now know their motives? Good, glad we've got that cleared up.

Even so, it's newsworthy. They had every right to contact the press, irrespective of their political leanings. Of course, press reporting pretty much relies on people with an axe to grind for getting the juicy stuff - supporters of miscreants tend not to be so keen on telling all. I trust you'll call every one out from now on.

rjsterry

Stevo 666 wrote:

briantrumpet wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

briantrumpet wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Appears that the people who were 'concerned for the safety' of their neighbour were lefties who are now having to defend their actions. Naturally, the two things you immediately do if you're concerned about your neighbours safety is to record the occurrence and send a copy to the Guardian

So should left-wingers not be able to raise concerns about right-wingers, or contact the press, and vice versa? If a right-winger had a juicy story on Jeremy Corbyn, they shouldn't be allowed to contact The Telegraph?

Of course they can, it's a free country. I am simply casting doubt on their motives for doing what they did. Also it appears that this thread needs a bit of balance, as do some others on here

So one's motives for an action must be ideologically pure? Like politicians never pushing for something that would benefit them personally?

Where did I say that? To repeat my point, they were less concerned about welfare than making political capital. As mentioned above looks like leftie sh1t stirring.

As if lefties are the only people who think Johnson would be a disaster as PM. Hunt's campaign could hardly contain their glee when the story broke. Almost half his colleagues think Gove or Hunt would be a better bet. His former boss at the Telegraph said he wouldn't trust Johnson with his wife or his wallet and he's not alone in that view among people who have worked closely with him. Oh, and Ruth Davidson won't let him near any Scottish Conservative Party events.

timothyw

Stevo 666 wrote:

leftie sh1t stirring.

Seems like quite a lot of rightie shit stirring going on now... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48736968

Either way, there's quite a simple way to avoid such 'shit stirring'.

Don't have blazing rows late at night in earshot of lefties.

briantrumpet

TimothyW wrote:

Either way, there's quite a simple way to avoid such 'shoot stirring'.

Don't have blazing rows late at night in earshot of lefties.

Or if you do, answer the knocking at the door from someone asking if everything is OK. And if you don't answer the door, at least shut TF up afterwards. Cos, you know, it might be of interest to the papers, if you might be the next prime minister...

rjsterry

Hunt says Johnson "needs to show he can answer difficult questions."

Difficult to argue with that point.

amrushton

so we have the police round to investigate possible domestic disturbance on the same day a member of the same party is suspended for holding a woman by the neck. Sometimes you can't make this stuff up. Johnsons campaign team must be made of sterner stuff than me. Has anyone ever said a good thing about him (apart from his family)?

rick_chasey

amrushton wrote:

so we have the police round to investigate possible domestic disturbance on the same day a member of the same party is suspended for holding a woman by the neck. Sometimes you can't make this stuff up. Johnsons campaign team must be made of sterner stuff than me. Has anyone ever said a good thing about him (apart from his family)?

Missed out a Tory MP being found guilty of expenses fraud and being thrown out by his own constituents, triggering a by-election. Which also happened on the same day.