May has gone - ding dong the utter, utter, total failure of a prime minister is gone

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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,811
    TailWindHome wrote:
    BJ 157
    MG 61
    JH 59
    SJ 34

    SJ out
    2 spoiled votes

    Excellent. A Gove Johnson grudge match awaits.
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  • bianchimoon
    bianchimoon Posts: 3,942
    Saw an interview this morning with some tory MP ex army Bob somebody, he was asked why he voted for Boris, he gave 2 reasons, first he was out with Boris's brother and some kids asked him if they could get Boris brothers autograph that's real star quality he said! and second he chose a candidate that he thought could lead 30 troops into battle... sad
    All lies and jest..still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest....
  • bianchimoon
    bianchimoon Posts: 3,942
    rjsterry wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    BJ 157
    MG 61
    JH 59
    SJ 34

    SJ out
    2 spoiled votes

    Excellent. A Gove Johnson grudge match awaits.
    depends who Boris decides he wants as his opponent, they've been shifting votes left, right and centre
    All lies and jest..still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest....
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,811
    bianchimoon wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    BJ 157
    MG 61
    JH 59
    SJ 34

    SJ out
    2 spoiled votes

    Excellent. A Gove Johnson grudge match awaits.
    depends who Boris decides he wants as his opponent, they've been shifting votes left, right and centre

    But he would need to lend a sizeable chunk of votes to be sure, which would make it really obvious that he was trying to rig the result. And that would hang around him like a bad smell.

    This is rather delicious.
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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,811
    bianchimoon wrote:
    Saw an interview this morning with some tory MP ex army Bob somebody, he was asked why he voted for Boris, he gave 2 reasons, first he was out with Boris's brother and some kids asked him if they could get Boris brothers autograph that's real star quality he said! and second he chose a candidate that he thought could lead 30 troops into battle... sad

    The level of delusion is really quite something to behold. I mean you'd think twice about asking Johnson to hold your pint while you answered the phone. And they all know this, and know that Johnson will blow up and they'll be back for another leadership election in 18 months.
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,593
    David Milliband was on TV this morning, if he came back as Labour leader I think I'd be voting for them for the first time ever. He just showed what a bunch of amateurs the current lot are (yes, I appreciate he's in a position where he is actually able to speak sense without worrying about appeasing various factions but just came across as a far more grown up politician).
  • bianchimoon
    bianchimoon Posts: 3,942
    Pross wrote:
    David Milliband was on TV this morning, if he came back as Labour leader I think I'd be voting for them for the first time ever. He just showed what a bunch of amateurs the current lot are (yes, I appreciate he's in a position where he is actually able to speak sense without worrying about appeasing various factions but just came across as a far more grown up politician).
    In the current climate, any middle of the road/moderate politician should do well, can't fathom out how UK politics came to be extreme left and right :(
    All lies and jest..still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest....
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,593
    bianchimoon wrote:
    Pross wrote:
    David Milliband was on TV this morning, if he came back as Labour leader I think I'd be voting for them for the first time ever. He just showed what a bunch of amateurs the current lot are (yes, I appreciate he's in a position where he is actually able to speak sense without worrying about appeasing various factions but just came across as a far more grown up politician).
    In the current climate, any middle of the road/moderate politician should do well, can't fathom out how UK politics came to be extreme left and right :(

    Labour moved left as they were losing the battle of the middle ground (and saw a chance through the impact of austerity to appeal to a wide section of disillusioned people) and the Tories moved to the right as they were scared of UKIP despite them never really posing a threat in a General Election. The problem is that despite that many voters can't break from habitual voting and so don't switch to any alternatives trying to occupy the middle.
  • Ben6899
    Ben6899 Posts: 9,686
    bianchimoon wrote:
    Saw an interview this morning with some tory MP ex army Bob somebody, he was asked why he voted for Boris, he gave 2 reasons, first he was out with Boris's brother and some kids asked him if they could get Boris brothers autograph that's real star quality he said! and second he chose a candidate that he thought could lead 30 troops into battle... sad

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  • surrey_commuter
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    rjsterry wrote:
    bianchimoon wrote:
    Saw an interview this morning with some tory MP ex army Bob somebody, he was asked why he voted for Boris, he gave 2 reasons, first he was out with Boris's brother and some kids asked him if they could get Boris brothers autograph that's real star quality he said! and second he chose a candidate that he thought could lead 30 troops into battle... sad

    The level of delusion is really quite something to behold. I mean you'd think twice about asking Johnson to hold your pint while you answered the phone. And they all know this, and know that Johnson will blow up and they'll be back for another leadership election in 18 months.

    a very good analogy - and no I would not trust him to hold my pint
  • darkhairedlord
    darkhairedlord Posts: 7,180
    Surrey Commuter wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    bianchimoon wrote:
    Saw an interview this morning with some tory MP ex army Bob somebody, he was asked why he voted for Boris, he gave 2 reasons, first he was out with Boris's brother and some kids asked him if they could get Boris brothers autograph that's real star quality he said! and second he chose a candidate that he thought could lead 30 troops into battle... sad

    The level of delusion is really quite something to behold. I mean you'd think twice about asking Johnson to hold your pint while you answered the phone. And they all know this, and know that Johnson will blow up and they'll be back for another leadership election in 18 months.

    a very good analogy - and no I would not trust him to hold my pint
    Of course, any candidate is going to cock this up. Choosing boris just gets him out of the way for good.
  • Jez mon
    Jez mon Posts: 3,809
    So it's Hunt that will come second to Boris.
    You live and learn. At any rate, you live
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,811
    Probably best for the party. Not sure how Gove and Johnson can work together without a bit of distance. Book your seats for November, though.
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  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,269
    So I get to choose between a *unt by name and a *unt by nature.
  • Jez mon
    Jez mon Posts: 3,809
    rjsterry wrote:
    Probably best for the party. Not sure how Gove and Johnson can work together without a bit of distance. Book your seats for November, though.

    I think that it'll be Boris or Hunt (so Boris) leading them into the next election, and I think the party will try as hard as possible to avoid an early election.

    So after that prediction, watch for Hunt calling an early election in September!
    You live and learn. At any rate, you live
  • darkhairedlord
    darkhairedlord Posts: 7,180
    Jez mon wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    Probably best for the party. Not sure how Gove and Johnson can work together without a bit of distance. Book your seats for November, though.

    I think that it'll be Boris or Hunt (so Boris) leading them into the next election, and I think the party will try as hard as possible to avoid an early election.

    So after that prediction, watch for Hunt calling an early election in September!
    The metoo and NDA scandals will destroy Johnson in next few weeks. It wont go to the membership.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    One compared the EU to the Soviet Union the other Nazis.
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  • awavey
    awavey Posts: 2,368
    Pross wrote:
    bianchimoon wrote:
    Pross wrote:
    David Milliband was on TV this morning, if he came back as Labour leader I think I'd be voting for them for the first time ever. He just showed what a bunch of amateurs the current lot are (yes, I appreciate he's in a position where he is actually able to speak sense without worrying about appeasing various factions but just came across as a far more grown up politician).
    In the current climate, any middle of the road/moderate politician should do well, can't fathom out how UK politics came to be extreme left and right :(

    Labour moved left as they were losing the battle of the middle ground (and saw a chance through the impact of austerity to appeal to a wide section of disillusioned people) and the Tories moved to the right as they were scared of UKIP despite them never really posing a threat in a General Election. The problem is that despite that many voters can't break from habitual voting and so don't switch to any alternatives trying to occupy the middle.

    but I think thats just a framing mechanism that is a result of the media echo chamber creating sterotypes, literally if you are a centrist or social democrat, youll be labelled far right by some media outlets thesedays. There wasnt a cigarettes paper width between the spending plans of all 3 parties at the last election, they were all broadly delivering the same things, yet one gets labelled austerity, the other the magic money tree.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,811
    IDS going round assuring people that Johnson will take us out by 31/10. I mean if that were true you wouldn't need to keep repeating it.
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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,809
    orraloon wrote:
    So I get to choose between a *unt by name and a *unt by nature.
    So who are you going to vote for?
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  • mrfpb
    mrfpb Posts: 4,569
    Their is a late surge from Conservative Home to put Mark Field on the ballot.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/bbcnewsnight ... 7960078337
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Some discussion if it's BoJo an election will be called swiftly...
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  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,269
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    orraloon wrote:
    So I get to choose between a *unt by name and a *unt by nature.
    So who are you going to vote for?
    Who would you vote for? What with you being such a vociferous Con supporter. Difficult decision to choose between 2 of the creme de la creme is it not?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    So Hunt's right hand man Mark Field is a gonner.

    No doubt someone will be over here to explain why throwing women against pillars by their neck is all OK, and that the optics of a Tory at a Mansion House black tie dinner doing so against a young female climate change protester are great.
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  • bianchimoon
    bianchimoon Posts: 3,942
    He had absolutely no qualms, no second thoughts about being physical with a woman in public, anger overtook him. I really hope he doesn't have a wife, I'd be concerned for her safety.
    All lies and jest..still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest....
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    You wonder why he didn't take the same approach when the angry man was protesting at Esther McVey's leadership launch and just let him rant and rave.
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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,811
    bianchimoon wrote:
    He had absolutely no qualms, no second thoughts about being physical with a woman in public, anger overtook him. I really hope he doesn't have a wife, I'd be concerned for her safety.
    That kind of reaction against someone - male or female - when they are not being remotely threatening anyone suggests there's something more deep seated he needs to address.
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  • bianchimoon
    bianchimoon Posts: 3,942
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    You wonder why he didn't take the same approach when the angry man was protesting at Esther McVey's leadership launch and just let him rant and rave.
    Hmmm... Because that man looked threatening?
    All lies and jest..still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest....
  • haydenm
    haydenm Posts: 2,997
    I heard a Greenpeace person on R4 who seemed to be suggesting it was worse because the protester was female, as with most things Greenpeace say and do the have a good point but focus on the wrong aspects.

    Anyway, does anyone here genuinely thing Jeremy 'the former Hulture secretary' will win? I'm only asking because you could make quite good cash on William Hill if so...
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Unless there's some massive BoJo sh!tshow that they've kept under wraps till now, he's gonna get it.

    The question remains of course, what did BoJo do between the last leadership election and this one, to change so many MP's minds?
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