May has gone - ding dong the utter, utter, total failure of a prime minister is gone

rolf_f

rjsterry wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Stevo - which would you think is worse - Corbyn PM or no deal Brexit?

A bit defeatist to assume we must have one of those, and there's a possibility that Corbyn continues to sit on the fence, leaving us in a neither in nor out limbo, which is pretty damaging in itself. On the other hand we'd only have to put up with a maximum of 5 years of him. I fear the latter would take longer to reverse.

Quite. Given Corbyns line on Brexit we can expect a Corbyn PM to talk vaguely about stuff a lot without actually doing anything. Compared to the known disaster of brexit the unknown (and vastly shorter term) disaster of Corbyn PM really ought to be the lesser of the evils to anyone thinking logically.

Certainly, go back a few years ago and be offered the choice "Brexit or Corbyn as PM" then it would be the latter for me every time without a moments further thought despite knowing how terrible he would be as PM.

I wonder if Stevo is ready to say which of the contenders he'd like to see as the new PM. It would be nice to think he'd say Stewart but probably he'd dither about and evade the issue again. He's a lot like Corbyn that way.

Stevo_666

Rolf F wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

orraloon wrote:

No way Javid survives. As any fule kno, even the moronic Con job MPs, the loyal party members who make up 0.3% of the electorate who get to decide between the final 2 would view with horror the prospect of a PM of, how shall I put this, Indian subcontinent ethnicity. Reg and Mavis of Clacton ain't 'avin' a redacted for a PM. It ain't what they voted Leave for.

Meanwhile, Con party central continues to stream out to the 'faithful' a torrent of Corbyn is coming for you boxxox. In the past week, I've seen amongst other, Corbyn wants to take your house, he will abolish NATO (quite how one member state could do that, even der Drumpf would struggle with that one), he wants to get rid of the British Army. Oh and seemingly council tax has decreased by 6% since the Cons have been in charge - not according to my direct debit it hasn't. To the neutral, it's pathetic. No doubt Reg and Mavis will be convinced.

Party political propaganda aside, it's fair to say that Corbyn would be a disaster for this county. Or are you trying to imply otherwise?

Yeah, but you see we have got used to having PMs that are a disaster for the country; we are just about to get our third one running. What makes you think we wouldn't like to try a more left wing way of wrecking the country, just for a bit of variety? I like a nice Blue/Red balance to my national scale disasters.

You say 'we'...

Stevo_666

Rick Chasey wrote:

Stevo - which would you think is worse - Corbyn PM or no deal Brexit?

Tricky one that - as both bad but in different ways and potentially different timescales. Country-wise and longer term, it might depend whether a Corbyn government was a one off or not. For me personally and shorter term - Corbyn is definitely the worse option IMO.

Stevo_666

bianchimoon wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Stevo - which would you think is worse - Corbyn PM or no deal Brexit?

You serious? If you’d have given him a choice of complete thermonuclear destruction of the U.K. or Corbyn you might get an answer other than corbyn

Ahem...

rick_chasey

Stevo 666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Stevo - which would you think is worse - Corbyn PM or no deal Brexit?

Tricky one that - as both bad but in different ways and potentially different timescales. Country-wise and longer term, it might depend whether a Corbyn government was a one off or not. For me personally and shorter term - Corbyn is definitely the worse option IMO.

Yeah. This is ultimately the logic that will bring about a bad Brexit.

Corbyn is bad but he really won't be given enough rope to do anything he really wants to. Unless you're in the business of running a utility and don't own any shares.....

What is it that Corbyn do that will be more costly than a calamitous Brexit outcome?

pblakeney

Left wing unicorns instead of right wing unicorns. Obviously.

Stevo_666

Rick Chasey wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

Stevo - which would you think is worse - Corbyn PM or no deal Brexit?

Tricky one that - as both bad but in different ways and potentially different timescales. Country-wise and longer term, it might depend whether a Corbyn government was a one off or not. For me personally and shorter term - Corbyn is definitely the worse option IMO.

Yeah. This is ultimately the logic that will bring about a bad Brexit.

Corbyn is bad but he really won't be given enough rope to do anything he really wants to. Unless you're in the business of running a utility and don't own any shares.....

What is it that Corbyn do that will be more costly than a calamitous Brexit outcome?

I said it was a hard one to call longer term and from the country point of view so not sure why you're asking me to justify something I didn't say.

Personally its pretty simple - I would be seen as the enemy and treated accordingly. Although on the upside I won't be short of work.

What about your views on this?

rick_chasey

No deal Brexit is pretty much as bad as it can realistically get, so anything that isn't that isn't as bad.

Corbyn is obviously challenging for someone who's entire career has been based on serving the City, and I don't think his solutions actually solve the problems he's rightly highlighted.

But what he'd realistically be able to do is nowhere near as bad as crashing out of the EU > it would take years just to recover from the shock and I'd rather not have navigate various shortages with a little one; all the formula we have, for example, isn't manufactured in the UK, and so if that was caught up in the border transit problems I'd be in a tricky situation....

rolf_f

Rick Chasey wrote:

No deal Brexit is pretty much as bad as it can realistically get, so anything that isn't that isn't as bad.

Corbyn is obviously challenging for someone who's entire career has been based on serving the City, and I don't think his solutions actually solve the problems he's rightly highlighted.

But what he'd realistically be able to do is nowhere near as bad as crashing out of the EU > it would take years just to recover from the shock and I'd rather not have navigate various shortages with a little one; all the formula we have, for example, isn't manufactured in the UK, and so if that was caught up in the border transit problems I'd be in a tricky situation....

It's a bit like all the garbage that Farage comes up with - eg how once we leave with no deal we can concentrate on reforming the House of Lords etc. No, we won't. We'll be spending the next 20 years trying to repair the damage and build back all the relationships we've thrown away. There just won't be any time for anyone to do anything that isn't brexit related.

The only way he could find time to do any "damage" would be to revoke A50. And that would be a great outcome whatever he came up with after.

john80

Rick Chasey wrote:

No deal Brexit is pretty much as bad as it can realistically get, so anything that isn't that isn't as bad.

Corbyn is obviously challenging for someone who's entire career has been based on serving the City, and I don't think his solutions actually solve the problems he's rightly highlighted.

But what he'd realistically be able to do is nowhere near as bad as crashing out of the EU > it would take years just to recover from the shock and I'd rather not have navigate various shortages with a little one; all the formula we have, for example, isn't manufactured in the UK, and so if that was caught up in the border transit problems I'd be in a tricky situation....

Yeah I can see those multinational companies taking a don't plan type of attitude to see just how much market share they can lose when they can't supply shops with their products. Or alternatively they will do some stockpiling, maybe even some consideration for manufacturing in the UK and see their business continue pretty much as normal. Keep calm until the riots over baby formula come to fruition. If you are a cyclist you might need to bulk up the top half for the apocalypse when we resort to bare knuckle fighting for everyday essentials.

rick_chasey

john80 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

No deal Brexit is pretty much as bad as it can realistically get, so anything that isn't that isn't as bad.

Corbyn is obviously challenging for someone who's entire career has been based on serving the City, and I don't think his solutions actually solve the problems he's rightly highlighted.

But what he'd realistically be able to do is nowhere near as bad as crashing out of the EU > it would take years just to recover from the shock and I'd rather not have navigate various shortages with a little one; all the formula we have, for example, isn't manufactured in the UK, and so if that was caught up in the border transit problems I'd be in a tricky situation....

Yeah I can see those multinational companies taking a don't plan type of attitude to see just how much market share they can lose when they can't supply shops with their products. Or alternatively they will do some stockpiling, maybe even some consideration for manufacturing in the UK and see their business continue pretty much as normal. Keep calm until the riots over baby formula come to fruition. If you are a cyclist you might need to bulk up the top half for the apocalypse when we resort to bare knuckle fighting for everyday essentials.

:roll:

You don't believe all the analysis that suggests genuine problems with imports in the event of no deal, nor do you believe the stories that only a small proportion of firms have actually prepared for Brexit?

Have I understood correctly? I wasn't really talking about riots, though it is the civil service themselves who have suggested using martial law....

The civil service has drawn up plans for the introduction of martial law in the event of a chaotic no-deal Brexit, it has been reported.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/fo ... cy-no-deal

FocusZing

Rick Chasey wrote:

john80 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

No deal Brexit is pretty much as bad as it can realistically get, so anything that isn't that isn't as bad.

Corbyn is obviously challenging for someone who's entire career has been based on serving the City, and I don't think his solutions actually solve the problems he's rightly highlighted.

But what he'd realistically be able to do is nowhere near as bad as crashing out of the EU > it would take years just to recover from the shock and I'd rather not have navigate various shortages with a little one; all the formula we have, for example, isn't manufactured in the UK, and so if that was caught up in the border transit problems I'd be in a tricky situation....

Yeah I can see those multinational companies taking a don't plan type of attitude to see just how much market share they can lose when they can't supply shops with their products. Or alternatively they will do some stockpiling, maybe even some consideration for manufacturing in the UK and see their business continue pretty much as normal. Keep calm until the riots over baby formula come to fruition. If you are a cyclist you might need to bulk up the top half for the apocalypse when we resort to bare knuckle fighting for everyday essentials.

:roll:

You don't believe all the analysis that suggests genuine problems with imports in the event of no deal, nor do you believe the stories that only a small proportion of firms have actually prepared for Brexit?

Have I understood correctly? I wasn't really talking about riots, though it is the civil service themselves who have suggested using martial law....

The civil service has drawn up plans for the introduction of martial law in the event of a chaotic no-deal Brexit, it has been reported.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/fo ... cy-no-deal

Kendamil is made by Kendal Nutricare, the only British Infant Formula manufacturer
Our range of Kendamil infant formulas are made from full cream sourced locally from farms based in Cumbria and Lancashire. All the farms we source from are Red Tractor approved.

https://www.kendamil.com/

That was easy.

rjsterry

FocusZing wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

john80 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

No deal Brexit is pretty much as bad as it can realistically get, so anything that isn't that isn't as bad.

Corbyn is obviously challenging for someone who's entire career has been based on serving the City, and I don't think his solutions actually solve the problems he's rightly highlighted.

But what he'd realistically be able to do is nowhere near as bad as crashing out of the EU > it would take years just to recover from the shock and I'd rather not have navigate various shortages with a little one; all the formula we have, for example, isn't manufactured in the UK, and so if that was caught up in the border transit problems I'd be in a tricky situation....

Yeah I can see those multinational companies taking a don't plan type of attitude to see just how much market share they can lose when they can't supply shops with their products. Or alternatively they will do some stockpiling, maybe even some consideration for manufacturing in the UK and see their business continue pretty much as normal. Keep calm until the riots over baby formula come to fruition. If you are a cyclist you might need to bulk up the top half for the apocalypse when we resort to bare knuckle fighting for everyday essentials.

:roll:

You don't believe all the analysis that suggests genuine problems with imports in the event of no deal, nor do you believe the stories that only a small proportion of firms have actually prepared for Brexit?

Have I understood correctly? I wasn't really talking about riots, though it is the civil service themselves who have suggested using martial law....

The civil service has drawn up plans for the introduction of martial law in the event of a chaotic no-deal Brexit, it has been reported.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/fo ... cy-no-deal

Kendamil is made by Kendal Nutricare, the only British Infant Formula manufacturer
Our range of Kendamil infant formulas are made from full cream sourced locally from farms based in Cumbria and Lancashire. All the farms we source from are Red Tractor approved.

https://www.kendamil.com/

That was easy.

They might struggle to fill the gap if Aptamil or SMA are unavailable.

rick_chasey

I do wonder when I say, "for example" whether they actually read it.

coopster_the_1st

rjsterry wrote:

FocusZing wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

john80 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

No deal Brexit is pretty much as bad as it can realistically get, so anything that isn't that isn't as bad.

Corbyn is obviously challenging for someone who's entire career has been based on serving the City, and I don't think his solutions actually solve the problems he's rightly highlighted.

But what he'd realistically be able to do is nowhere near as bad as crashing out of the EU > it would take years just to recover from the shock and I'd rather not have navigate various shortages with a little one; all the formula we have, for example, isn't manufactured in the UK, and so if that was caught up in the border transit problems I'd be in a tricky situation....

Yeah I can see those multinational companies taking a don't plan type of attitude to see just how much market share they can lose when they can't supply shops with their products. Or alternatively they will do some stockpiling, maybe even some consideration for manufacturing in the UK and see their business continue pretty much as normal. Keep calm until the riots over baby formula come to fruition. If you are a cyclist you might need to bulk up the top half for the apocalypse when we resort to bare knuckle fighting for everyday essentials.

:roll:

You don't believe all the analysis that suggests genuine problems with imports in the event of no deal, nor do you believe the stories that only a small proportion of firms have actually prepared for Brexit?

Have I understood correctly? I wasn't really talking about riots, though it is the civil service themselves who have suggested using martial law....

The civil service has drawn up plans for the introduction of martial law in the event of a chaotic no-deal Brexit, it has been reported.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/fo ... cy-no-deal

Kendamil is made by Kendal Nutricare, the only British Infant Formula manufacturer
Our range of Kendamil infant formulas are made from full cream sourced locally from farms based in Cumbria and Lancashire. All the farms we source from are Red Tractor approved.

https://www.kendamil.com/

That was easy.

They might struggle to fill the gap if Aptamil or SMA are unavailable.

So in this example:

- The farmers sell more to Kendamil
- Kendamil sells more
- The workers earn more money via overtime and/or
- More people are employed Kendamil
- More tax is paid to the exchequer from the farmers, Kendamil and the workers
- plus the knock-on growth to the supply chain of the farmers & Kendamil

Yet the bed wetters see this as a bad thing :roll:

and the many more

tailwindhome

rjsterry wrote:

FocusZing wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

john80 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

No deal Brexit is pretty much as bad as it can realistically get, so anything that isn't that isn't as bad.

Corbyn is obviously challenging for someone who's entire career has been based on serving the City, and I don't think his solutions actually solve the problems he's rightly highlighted.

But what he'd realistically be able to do is nowhere near as bad as crashing out of the EU > it would take years just to recover from the shock and I'd rather not have navigate various shortages with a little one; all the formula we have, for example, isn't manufactured in the UK, and so if that was caught up in the border transit problems I'd be in a tricky situation....

Yeah I can see those multinational companies taking a don't plan type of attitude to see just how much market share they can lose when they can't supply shops with their products. Or alternatively they will do some stockpiling, maybe even some consideration for manufacturing in the UK and see their business continue pretty much as normal. Keep calm until the riots over baby formula come to fruition. If you are a cyclist you might need to bulk up the top half for the apocalypse when we resort to bare knuckle fighting for everyday essentials.

:roll:

You don't believe all the analysis that suggests genuine problems with imports in the event of no deal, nor do you believe the stories that only a small proportion of firms have actually prepared for Brexit?

Have I understood correctly? I wasn't really talking about riots, though it is the civil service themselves who have suggested using martial law....

The civil service has drawn up plans for the introduction of martial law in the event of a chaotic no-deal Brexit, it has been reported.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/fo ... cy-no-deal

Kendamil is made by Kendal Nutricare, the only British Infant Formula manufacturer
Our range of Kendamil infant formulas are made from full cream sourced locally from farms based in Cumbria and Lancashire. All the farms we source from are Red Tractor approved.

https://www.kendamil.com/

That was easy.

They might struggle to fill the gap if Aptamil or SMA are unavailable.

Guess what country supplies the UK with most of it's formula milk?

FocusZing

Coopster the 1st wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

FocusZing wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

john80 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

No deal Brexit is pretty much as bad as it can realistically get, so anything that isn't that isn't as bad.

Corbyn is obviously challenging for someone who's entire career has been based on serving the City, and I don't think his solutions actually solve the problems he's rightly highlighted.

But what he'd realistically be able to do is nowhere near as bad as crashing out of the EU > it would take years just to recover from the shock and I'd rather not have navigate various shortages with a little one; all the formula we have, for example, isn't manufactured in the UK, and so if that was caught up in the border transit problems I'd be in a tricky situation....

Yeah I can see those multinational companies taking a don't plan type of attitude to see just how much market share they can lose when they can't supply shops with their products. Or alternatively they will do some stockpiling, maybe even some consideration for manufacturing in the UK and see their business continue pretty much as normal. Keep calm until the riots over baby formula come to fruition. If you are a cyclist you might need to bulk up the top half for the apocalypse when we resort to bare knuckle fighting for everyday essentials.

:roll:

You don't believe all the analysis that suggests genuine problems with imports in the event of no deal, nor do you believe the stories that only a small proportion of firms have actually prepared for Brexit?

Have I understood correctly? I wasn't really talking about riots, though it is the civil service themselves who have suggested using martial law....

The civil service has drawn up plans for the introduction of martial law in the event of a chaotic no-deal Brexit, it has been reported.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/fo ... cy-no-deal

Kendamil is made by Kendal Nutricare, the only British Infant Formula manufacturer
Our range of Kendamil infant formulas are made from full cream sourced locally from farms based in Cumbria and Lancashire. All the farms we source from are Red Tractor approved.

https://www.kendamil.com/

That was easy.

They might struggle to fill the gap if Aptamil or SMA are unavailable.

So in this example:

- The farmers sell more to Kendamil
- Kendamil sells more
- The workers earn more money via overtime and/or
- More people are employed Kendamil
- More tax is paid to the exchequer from the farmers, Kendamil and the workers
- plus the knock-on growth to the supply chain of the farmers & Kendamil

Yet the bed wetters see this as a bad thing :roll:

and the many more

Pampers Premium Protection nappies* and Pampers Baby Dry nappies are the only disposable nappies made in the UK.

https://www.pampers.co.uk/safety-and-co ... -in-the-uk

rick_chasey

So not happy with actual illiteracy, you're doubling down on your own economic illiteracy too?

Gotcha.

FocusZing

Rick Chasey wrote:

So not happy with actual illiteracy, you're doubling down on your own economic illiteracy too?

Gotcha.

42,500 posts get you to this?

rick_chasey

It’s a lofty goal.

FocusZing

Rick Chasey wrote:

It’s a lofty goal.

Nah, it was a cheap shot hashing out your thoughts is good.

What a mess Hey?

kingstongraham

Coopster the 1st wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

FocusZing wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

john80 wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

No deal Brexit is pretty much as bad as it can realistically get, so anything that isn't that isn't as bad.

Corbyn is obviously challenging for someone who's entire career has been based on serving the City, and I don't think his solutions actually solve the problems he's rightly highlighted.

But what he'd realistically be able to do is nowhere near as bad as crashing out of the EU > it would take years just to recover from the shock and I'd rather not have navigate various shortages with a little one; all the formula we have, for example, isn't manufactured in the UK, and so if that was caught up in the border transit problems I'd be in a tricky situation....

Yeah I can see those multinational companies taking a don't plan type of attitude to see just how much market share they can lose when they can't supply shops with their products. Or alternatively they will do some stockpiling, maybe even some consideration for manufacturing in the UK and see their business continue pretty much as normal. Keep calm until the riots over baby formula come to fruition. If you are a cyclist you might need to bulk up the top half for the apocalypse when we resort to bare knuckle fighting for everyday essentials.

:roll:

You don't believe all the analysis that suggests genuine problems with imports in the event of no deal, nor do you believe the stories that only a small proportion of firms have actually prepared for Brexit?

Have I understood correctly? I wasn't really talking about riots, though it is the civil service themselves who have suggested using martial law....

The civil service has drawn up plans for the introduction of martial law in the event of a chaotic no-deal Brexit, it has been reported.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/fo ... cy-no-deal

Kendamil is made by Kendal Nutricare, the only British Infant Formula manufacturer
Our range of Kendamil infant formulas are made from full cream sourced locally from farms based in Cumbria and Lancashire. All the farms we source from are Red Tractor approved.

https://www.kendamil.com/

That was easy.

They might struggle to fill the gap if Aptamil or SMA are unavailable.

So in this example:

- The farmers sell more to Kendamil
- Kendamil sells more
- The workers earn more money via overtime and/or
- More people are employed Kendamil
- More tax is paid to the exchequer from the farmers, Kendamil and the workers
- plus the knock-on growth to the supply chain of the farmers & Kendamil

Yet the bed wetters see this as a bad thing :roll:

and the many more

Hope they've already planned to ramp up their production to cover the shortfall, otherwise there might be some disruption in November. Will noone think of the children?

surrey_commuter

FocusZing wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

It’s a lofty goal.

Nah, it was a cheap shot hashing out your thoughts is good.

What a mess Hey?

Do you mean he should explain why this niche producer will take decades to raise production to a level significant enough to make a difference. Or should he explain how many tonnes of dairy products the UK imports each year. Do you think it is possible to do this in a way that Coopski will understand?

and what about the poster above who thinks that the solution is for all British businesses to stockpile - where would you start?

FocusZing

Surrey Commuter wrote:

FocusZing wrote:

Rick Chasey wrote:

It’s a lofty goal.

Nah, it was a cheap shot hashing out your thoughts is good.

What a mess Hey?

Do you mean he should explain why this niche producer will take decades to raise production to a level significant enough to make a difference. Or should he explain how many tonnes of dairy products the UK imports each year. Do you think it is possible to do this in a way that Coopski will understand?

and what about the poster above who thinks that the solution is for all British businesses to stockpile - where would you start?

All I know is I don't know enough and Europe will be a safer place united, akin to projects like Cern and ISS.

coopster_the_1st

FocusZing wrote:

Sir Kenneth Clarke and Sir Chris Pattern are both supporting Rory Stewart. He seems to the only realist who understands both public divisions need to be appeased.

Aw diddums, the remoaners favourite is out. There will be lots of bed wetting tonight

I am actually disapppointed about this as I wanted him in the final 2 so that Conservative members could send him to a crushing defeat against Boris and realign remainer MP's, just as the Brexit Party have, as to how out of touch they are with their electorate.

rjsterry

I think some of Stewart's identical messages (with optional praise of the recipient's intellect) may have backfired.

Looks like Hunt in the last 2 or a Gove Johnson grudge match.

FocusZing

Coopster the 1st wrote:

FocusZing wrote:

Sir Kenneth Clarke and Sir Chris Pattern are both supporting Rory Stewart. He seems to the only realist who understands both public divisions need to be appeased.

Aw diddums, the remoaners favourite is out. There will be lots of bed wetting tonight

I am actually disapppointed about this as I wanted him in the final 2 so that Conservative members could send him to a crushing defeat against Boris and realign remainer MP's, just as the Brexit Party have, as to how out of touch they are with their electorate.

Yeah, he didn't do well last night. He fell on his ar5e when Emily kept pushing him with the fact his plan was May's deal which had been rejected three times. He just didn't have the response.

I guess you're for Boris?

Jez mon

Coopster the 1st wrote:

FocusZing wrote:

Sir Kenneth Clarke and Sir Chris Pattern are both supporting Rory Stewart. He seems to the only realist who understands both public divisions need to be appeased.

Aw diddums, the remoaners favourite is out. There will be lots of bed wetting tonight

I am actually disapppointed about this as I wanted him in the final 2 so that Conservative members could send him to a crushing defeat against Boris and realign remainer MP's, just as the Brexit Party have, as to how out of touch they are with their electorate.

The electorate or a selection of swivel eyed loons who make up the Conservative party.

I'd say it looks reasonably likely we'll get a snap election. Because I think whoever takes charge of the Tory party will still struggle with the same wafer thin majority that TM had.

At that point its anyone's guess really. I struggle to see Boris' ego letting him share the stage with Farage. I think Hunt would be too moderate, Gove thinks himself too intelligent and Sajid would find the more extreme elements of the Brexit party distasteful.

So in the case of no agreement beteeen the parties, we'd see the hard brexit vote getting split between the tories and the Brexit party. Although I think the Brexit party would struggle in a national election.

I think a large band of the traditional tory voters would potentially find themselves politically homeless. If your vote is based on your party making prudent small c Conservative policies, then a hard brexit tory party really isn't for you.

Of course, arguably here is where the lib dems might pick up some votes, but the stigma of the wasted vote will always hurt them to a degree.

At which point you might glance at labour, but even ignoring the lurch to the left they are somewhat of a mess.

I think it would end up with no party getting a good healthy majority. I think soft brexiters and remainers would be more likely to reach an agreement on a Norway type deal, whereas the harder brexiters would really struggle to get enough agreement for a hard withdrawal (similar to May's current deal) , or a no deal.

rjsterry

Coopster the 1st wrote:

FocusZing wrote:

Sir Kenneth Clarke and Sir Chris Pattern are both supporting Rory Stewart. He seems to the only realist who understands both public divisions need to be appeased.

Aw diddums, the remoaners favourite is out. There will be lots of bed wetting tonight

I am actually disapppointed about this as I wanted him in the final 2 so that Conservative members could send him to a crushing defeat against Boris and realign remainer MP's, just as the Brexit Party have, as to how out of touch they are with their electorate.

Funny how almost all of these Conservative remainer MPs have voted for leaving and the Leavers voted against. You still sure Johnson will stick to his word? The man who swore he wouldn't stand for parliament while mayor and would lie down in front of the Heathrow bulldozers and cut London council tax and negotiate a no strike deal with the Tube unions and not raise the congestion charge and...

coopster_the_1st

FocusZing wrote:

Coopster the 1st wrote:

FocusZing wrote:

Sir Kenneth Clarke and Sir Chris Pattern are both supporting Rory Stewart. He seems to the only realist who understands both public divisions need to be appeased.

Aw diddums, the remoaners favourite is out. There will be lots of bed wetting tonight

I am actually disapppointed about this as I wanted him in the final 2 so that Conservative members could send him to a crushing defeat against Boris and realign remainer MP's, just as the Brexit Party have, as to how out of touch they are with their electorate.

Yeah, he didn't do well last night. He fell on his ar5e when Emily kept pushing him with the fact his plan was May's deal which had been rejected three times. He just didn't have the response.

I guess you're for Boris?

I want a reason to vote for the Conservatives as they are my natural home.

Personally, I thought Raab was the best candidate as he would have delivered Brexit but he does not have the grandeur that would be enough to challenge Farage and stop Corbyn getting into power. So for the Tories, Boris is the best candidate as he would be the best front man for them and that is what they need right now.

Boris also annoys the bed wetters and that will be so enjoyable to witness as they whinge their way through their miserable lives.