Freeman Medical Practitioner Tribunal .Manchester
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If anyone's following this
Freeman apparently too scared to see Shane Sutton in the courtroom so they have put up a screen....
This whole thing is just....so weird....We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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did this guy appear yet?
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I wonder what will conclude first...
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Is it only me wondering how Freeman's lawyer knows of the existence and contents of a sworn affidavit from Yates in the Daily Mail safe?Warning No formatter is installed for the format0
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I'm not following this particularly closely but something I'm wondering. If Freeman was running some kind of doping ring, is there only a single order of testosterone? I'd have to assume the GMC would've been interested in what he was ordering etc?
It feels like this whole thing is not as exciting as some quarters might want it to be.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
and why did he (RF) lie to Steve Peters about it? Surely everyone there would have been aware of what was going on if it was a team system/program?2020/2021/2022 Metric Century Challenge Winner0
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Seems to me all the cycling fans are viewing this tribunal as continued investigation into Sky and/or BC. It's not though, is it? Only things under review are the specific issues raised about Freeman's professional conduct *as a doctor*. I don't think the tribunal would care if he'd worked as the in-house medic for a coal mining company instead of Sky. It's all about how he did his job, not for whom he did it.
The specific instance of the order for Testogel is a bit of a red herring. Had he ordered anything - legitimate or otherwise - and then asked the supplier to falsify documents, failed to keep his own accurate records, and been unable to show prescription to the "patient" for the medication procured (amongst a long list of other administrative failings), he'd still be in front of this tribunal.
Their brief is to determine whether he should keep his licence to practice as a doctor only (which seems unlikely).
Or did I miss something?
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Personally I think there's a fascinating tale to be told about this whole thing. About falling out, vengeance, work place bullying, depression, male vanity, tabloid journalism, political opportunism and small things escalating beyond people's control. But it doesn't involve doping and it barely involves cycling other than as a setting.iainf72 said:I'm not following this particularly closely but something I'm wondering. If Freeman was running some kind of doping ring, is there only a single order of testosterone? I'd have to assume the GMC would've been interested in what he was ordering etc?
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Yeah I think so, but if they decide that the Testogel was ordered 'believing it was for someone else' then you suspect that the UKAD may open an investigation into who...
We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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The original story was that the box was discovered by a third party. It was then announced to be a simple mistaken order.iainf72 said:I'm not following this particularly closely but something I'm wondering. If Freeman was running some kind of doping ring, is there only a single order of testosterone? I'd have to assume the GMC would've been interested in what he was ordering etc?
It feels like this whole thing is not as exciting as some quarters might want it to be.
No idea if they have been able to check whether any other boxes were ordered, but it would have been very unlucky for one order to have been the one discovered by a third party.
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I’m assuming the only reason to call Sutton to the hearing is to formally ask if he’ll substantiate the claims made by Freeman that the Testogel was in fact for him (for whatever reason). It would seem that even if he does confirm that - which seems unlikely so far - that may only very partially excuse Freeman’s actions, but not absolve him.
If I read the notes correctly on that stuff, a doctor is supposed to have two different blood pathology tests done to support the requirement to prescribe it. Notwithstanding the “stolen” laptop RF had and a lack of an actual prescription record there should be some verifiable record from the lab test. Am sure there’s a pile of stuff (rightly) not in the public domain, but I don’t recall seeing anything about that being the case here.
Assuming there isn’t any of that corroborative evidence available and you believe that RF simply ordered it because Sutton “told him to” then the conclusion is he still failed in his professional duty.
The possible scenario that Sutton knew what he wanted specifically might be he had previous experience with the product (or similar) and was aware of what effects it had on him. That might be interesting from a conspiracy perspective - had he used it as a pro cyclist for the haemoglobin benefit and noticed it helped “other” things? May explain his reluctance to acknowledge it was for him in this case.
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Shane Sutton accused of being a doper.Sensational development in Dr Freeman tribunal.
Freeman’s lawyer Mary O’Rourke QC on key witness & former British Cycling head coach Shane Sutton:
“He is a habitual and serial liar. He is a doper, with a doping history …”0 -
Popcorn time?dodgy said:Shane Sutton accused of being a doper.
Sensational development in Dr Freeman tribunal.
Freeman’s lawyer Mary O’Rourke QC on key witness & former British Cycling head coach Shane Sutton:
“He is a habitual and serial liar. He is a doper, with a doping history …”0 -
That's quite harsh coming from someone representing Freeman.dodgy said:Shane Sutton accused of being a doper.
Sensational development in Dr Freeman tribunal.
Freeman’s lawyer Mary O’Rourke QC on key witness & former British Cycling head coach Shane Sutton:
“He is a habitual and serial liar. He is a doper, with a doping history …”0 -
But if Stalin called out Hitler for being a rather nasty person, he'd still be right.TheBlueBean said:
That's quite harsh coming from someone representing Freeman.dodgy said:Shane Sutton accused of being a doper.
Sensational development in Dr Freeman tribunal.
Freeman’s lawyer Mary O’Rourke QC on key witness & former British Cycling head coach Shane Sutton:
“He is a habitual and serial liar. He is a doper, with a doping history …”You can fool some of the people all of the time. Concentrate on those people.0 -
He's going to tell her to calm down and go and have a baby/good shag ( level of irony) isn't he ?dodgy said:Shane Sutton accused of being a doper.
Sensational development in Dr Freeman tribunal.
Freeman’s lawyer Mary O’Rourke QC on key witness & former British Cycling head coach Shane Sutton:
“He is a habitual and serial liar. He is a doper, with a doping history …”0 -
Sergent Major Sutton kept on a leash by Major Brailsford with a fairly informal arrangement with the medic Dr Freeman- assuring a Tour winner with military precision
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It was Steve Peters who received the package wasnt it?TheBlueBean said:
The original story was that the box was discovered by a third party. It was then announced to be a simple mistaken order.iainf72 said:I'm not following this particularly closely but something I'm wondering. If Freeman was running some kind of doping ring, is there only a single order of testosterone? I'd have to assume the GMC would've been interested in what he was ordering etc?
It feels like this whole thing is not as exciting as some quarters might want it to be.
No idea if they have been able to check whether any other boxes were ordered, but it would have been very unlucky for one order to have been the one discovered by a third party.
If there was more than one package from this supplier i'm sure we'd know about it."Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago0 -
It was Phil Burt who opened the package, found the Testogel and raised it with Steve Petersgsk82 said:
It was Steve Peters who received the package wasnt it?
If there was more than one package from this supplier i'm sure we'd know about it.
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The woman from the supplier who testified said that they had to source it themselves as they didnt usually supply it so, if it was a regular delivery, it wasn't regularly from them...
(Also, is it that sensational that a rider in the 80s dabbled in doping a little?)We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Ooof 😂
I wish this was televised, I suspect it's gonna be hilarious!We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Meh.
At this point it seems like O'Rouke has opted to go with the mud slinging defence to me.
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That's one of the more compelling things I have heard from the case.ddraver said:The woman from the supplier who testified said that they had to source it themselves as they didnt usually supply it so, if it was a regular delivery, it wasn't regularly from them...
(Also, is it that sensational that a rider in the 80s dabbled in doping a little?)0 -
Is Freeman's end goal to not lose his licence? It's hard to see how that will happen.0
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I presume she is trying to goad Sutton into showing his aggressive, bullying nature.blazing_saddles said:Meh.
At this point it seems like O'Rouke has opted to go with the mud slinging defence to me.0 -
I'm loathe to perpetuate the myth that if you raise the "Lance" defence, it means you are guilty of doping, but....
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Sutton also now claims never to have read a book in his life (apart from one he admits to reading). What kind of troglodyte is he?2015 Canyon Nerve AL 6.0 (son #1's)
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