LEAVE the Conservative Party and save your country!

rjsterry

rick_chasey said:

Paul Dacre now apparently head of the BBC watchdog.

Christ


Edit: he’s been asked to.

No he hasn't, they're just stirring again.

rick_chasey

rjsterry said:

rick_chasey said:

Paul Dacre now apparently head of the BBC watchdog.

Christ


Edit: he’s been asked to.

No he hasn't, they're just stirring again.

Yeah sorry - he has been asked to do the gig, mind

rjsterry

rick_chasey said:

rjsterry said:

rick_chasey said:

Paul Dacre now apparently head of the BBC watchdog.

Christ


Edit: he’s been asked to.

No he hasn't, they're just stirring again.

Yeah sorry - he has been asked to do the gig, mind

Depends who you read. It's all 'sources at no. 10' but apparently the application process hasn't even opened yet.

morstar

rjsterry said:

rick_chasey said:

rjsterry said:

rick_chasey said:

Paul Dacre now apparently head of the BBC watchdog.

Christ


Edit: he’s been asked to.

No he hasn't, they're just stirring again.

Yeah sorry - he has been asked to do the gig, mind

Depends who you read. It's all 'sources at no. 10' but apparently the application process hasn't even opened yet.

You have to bear in mind their strategy for parachuting in preferred candidates to important positions is being refined after a recent failure.
Expect much misinformation and lack of clarity.
Also known as business as usual.

surrey_commuter

Lots of chatter about Boris’s finances. Traditionally a wealthy benefactor would have stepped in but on the assumption all candidates would rather he quit is it legal for Russia to bail out the UK PM?

rick_chasey

surrey_commuter said:

Lots of chatter about Boris’s finances. Traditionally a wealthy benefactor would have stepped in but on the assumption all candidates would rather he quit is it legal for Russia to bail out the UK PM?

Bit more basic than that. After dinner speeches and the telegraph gig were, what, £400k a year?

Pross

rick_chasey said:

It’s not like Starmer has had to do much either.

Good job since he hasn’t

There's not much point in doing anything much when there's 4 years to the General Election. Keep your powder dry for a few more years and let the incumbents (continue to) f**k up.

pinkbikini

Pross said:

rick_chasey said:

It’s not like Starmer has had to do much either.

Good job since he hasn’t

There's not much point in doing anything much when there's 4 years to the General Election. Keep your powder dry for a few more years and let the incumbents (continue to) f**k up.

Too right. Starmer just has to wait a few years, and remember not to promote an ex-Whip who has more on you than you do on him. Fundamental political error!

pblakeney

Pross said:

rick_chasey said:

It’s not like Starmer has had to do much either.

Good job since he hasn’t

There's not much point in doing anything much when there's 4 years to the General Election. Keep your powder dry for a few more years and let the incumbents (continue to) f**k up.

He could be an effective opposition in the meantime though.
If ever there was a government needing to be kept in check...

Pross

pblakeney said:

Pross said:

rick_chasey said:

It’s not like Starmer has had to do much either.

Good job since he hasn’t

There's not much point in doing anything much when there's 4 years to the General Election. Keep your powder dry for a few more years and let the incumbents (continue to) f**k up.

He could be an effective opposition in the meantime though.
If ever there was a government needing to be kept in check...

Bit difficult, I read somewhere the current lot have an 80 seat majority (can't remember where) so they can carry on doing what they want.

Listening to Starmer on PMQs and he gives good shots but all Boris does is ignore the question and launch personal attacks that in any other environment would be classed as slander.

pblakeney

Pross said:

pblakeney said:

Pross said:

rick_chasey said:

It’s not like Starmer has had to do much either.

Good job since he hasn’t

There's not much point in doing anything much when there's 4 years to the General Election. Keep your powder dry for a few more years and let the incumbents (continue to) f**k up.

He could be an effective opposition in the meantime though.
If ever there was a government needing to be kept in check...

Bit difficult, I read somewhere the current lot have an 80 seat majority (can't remember where) so they can carry on doing what they want.

Listening to Starmer on PMQs and he gives good shots but all Boris does is ignore the question and launch personal attacks that in any other environment would be classed as slander.

True. The best we can hope for is that by pointing out what the government are doing wrong enough that it will put Con MPs in the position to revolt the whip.
The whip - The main thing wrong with UK politics. You don't vote for an MP to represent you, you vote for an MP to represent the party. A practical point that appears to be missed by most.

briantrumpet

pblakeney said:

Pross said:

pblakeney said:

Pross said:

rick_chasey said:

It’s not like Starmer has had to do much either.

Good job since he hasn’t

There's not much point in doing anything much when there's 4 years to the General Election. Keep your powder dry for a few more years and let the incumbents (continue to) f**k up.

He could be an effective opposition in the meantime though.
If ever there was a government needing to be kept in check...

Bit difficult, I read somewhere the current lot have an 80 seat majority (can't remember where) so they can carry on doing what they want.

Listening to Starmer on PMQs and he gives good shots but all Boris does is ignore the question and launch personal attacks that in any other environment would be classed as slander.

True. The best we can hope for is that by pointing out what the government are doing wrong enough that it will put Con MPs in the position to revolt the whip.
The whip - The main thing wrong with UK politics. You don't vote for an MP to represent you, you vote for an MP to represent the party. A practical point that appears to be missed by most.

He seems to be testing Johnson well enough at PMQ. And of course he's still building Labour back up and consolidating his authority after the catastrophe of Corbyn. He's not going to land any knock-out blows for now (that's more likely from disgruntled Tories for the time being), so he seems to be doing a reasonable job of getting things in place for future battles.

briantrumpet

Haha. It's a pity that non-subscribers can't see the BTL comments on this one reporting Labour's poll lead. I'm pretty sure that Stevo's in there somewhere https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/09/26/labourahead-tories-first-time-since-starmer-became-leader-according/

David Burdon
27 Sep 2020 8:47PM
Boris Johnson is such an appalling Prime Minister that Sir Kneel Starmer only has to keep his nose clean and he walks into 10 Downing Street. Johnson has now been exposed as deceitful and an inveterate liar. The Tory membership needs to mobilise internal opposition and remove Johnson and his sycophants such as Hancock, Gove and Shapps pretty sharpish.

#AntiJohnsonTory


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Julian Smythe
27 Sep 2020 8:45PM
And who cares? There are still over four years to the next election. Plenty of time for the British electorate to wake up to Starmer and his warmed up Socialsim.

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Olympian Zeus
27 Sep 2020 8:43PM
Well it's not because Labour have better plans because they have offered zero plans on what they would do instead. This is the Tories defeating themselves by constantly being incompetent on illegal immigration, woke organisations like BLM and BBC. Not helping out UK industry leaders like Rolls Royce and ARM and constantly changing the lockdown rules

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Sara Well
27 Sep 2020 8:57PM
@Olympian Zeus Summing it up - being anything but Conservative.

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Michael Jones
27 Sep 2020 8:36PM
Thus says an anonymous group of “Telegraph Reporters”! I wonder if they are just a bunch of BBC journos moonlighting...

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Carole Waters
27 Sep 2020 8:34PM
Well done Boris, you had it all, your only achievement to date is to throw it all away, I really believed you would sweep away the disaster that was May, never in a million years could I ever imagine you would be worse but you have proved me wrong!

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The Hutt
27 Sep 2020 8:34PM
Hear hear

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Annette Whatmough
27 Sep 2020 8:33PM
Written in haste . Delta poll Tories 42% and Labour 38%. !

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The Hutt
27 Sep 2020 8:35PM
And both 100% cr*p

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Old McDonaldTrump
27 Sep 2020 8:18PM
Remember this is not a result of Starmer being any good.

This is self inflicted.

Johnson is hopelessly out of his depth. Never in my lifetime has a British PM promised so much yet delivered so little.


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C Davie
27 Sep 2020 8:18PM
All Sharmer the smooth lounge-lizard has to do is brush his hair and zip his mouth and let the dysfunctional Tory government elect him. Sad to say.

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Hilz Wilz
27 Sep 2020 8:17PM
Polls? Almost always wrong. Government majority? EIGHTY. No problem.

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Lu Lu
27 Sep 2020 8:16PM
Who cares, we are 9 months into a 5 year term with an 80 seat majority.

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Bill Woods
27 Sep 2020 8:34PM
Are you boris? Who's this 'we'?

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The Hutt
27 Sep 2020 8:36PM
If things continue this way it’ll be Laurence Fox by a landslide if we’re allowed to vote again.

pblakeney

briantrumpet said:

pblakeney said:

Pross said:

pblakeney said:

Pross said:

rick_chasey said:

It’s not like Starmer has had to do much either.

Good job since he hasn’t

There's not much point in doing anything much when there's 4 years to the General Election. Keep your powder dry for a few more years and let the incumbents (continue to) f**k up.

He could be an effective opposition in the meantime though.
If ever there was a government needing to be kept in check...

Bit difficult, I read somewhere the current lot have an 80 seat majority (can't remember where) so they can carry on doing what they want.

Listening to Starmer on PMQs and he gives good shots but all Boris does is ignore the question and launch personal attacks that in any other environment would be classed as slander.

True. The best we can hope for is that by pointing out what the government are doing wrong enough that it will put Con MPs in the position to revolt the whip.
The whip - The main thing wrong with UK politics. You don't vote for an MP to represent you, you vote for an MP to represent the party. A practical point that appears to be missed by most.

He seems to be testing Johnson well enough at PMQ. And of course he's still building Labour back up and consolidating his authority after the catastrophe of Corbyn. He's not going to land any knock-out blows for now (that's more likely from disgruntled Tories for the time being), so he seems to be doing a reasonable job of getting things in place for future battles.

I said that no sane person would want the job about a year ago as Brexit & the economy would be a millstone. Add on the pandemic....
Biding time makes a lot of sense. Unfortunately the country, and us, go to the dogs in the meantime.

kingstongraham

Is Gavin Williamson still alive?

surrey_commuter

kingstongraham said:

Is Gavin Williamson still alive?

maybe he is on holiday with Mark Francois

rick_chasey

Read that the parliamentary bars are exempt from the 10pm pub curfew.

rick_chasey

Nowhere else to dump this, but an article on why right-wing stuff fares so much better on social meejda.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/26/facebook-conservatives-2020-421146

Right-wing populism is always more engaging," a Facebook executive said in a recent interview with POLITICO reporters, when pressed why the pages of conservatives drive such high interactions. The person said the content speaks to "an incredibly strong, primitive emotion" by touching on such topics as "nation, protection, the other, anger, fear."

pblakeney

rick_chasey said:

Read that the parliamentary bars are exempt from the 10pm pub curfew.

"Do as we say, not as we do." is not new.
Unfortunately. Needs alight shone on it more often and brightly though.

rick_chasey

Also, read something about gov't advising schools not to teach from 'anti-capitalist' material, which seems a bit, err, dictatorial.

https://news.sky.com/story/english-schools-told-not-to-use-anti-capitalist-material-for-teaching-12084043

The Department for Education guidance, under the heading "Plan your relationships, sex and health curriculum", says schools should not use resources produced by organisations that take such stances "under any circumstances".

"This is the case even if the material itself is not extreme, as the use of it could imply endorsement or support of the organisation," it says.

I mean, it would be really quite remarkable if schools were not allowed to teach anything from Marx for example.

orraloon

Ah don't worry about it. Just dance the macarena when you are told to.

pblakeney

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

Read that the parliamentary bars are exempt from the 10pm pub curfew.

"Do as we say, not as we do." is not new.
Unfortunately. Needs alight shone on it more often and brightly though.

Light was shone brightly enough this time.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-54323212

pinkbikini

Where’s Williamson? Universities in chaos with Covid, adopting new teaching methods, lockdowns, demands for refunds, still no statement on exam dates for schools, I could go on.

I thought maybe he’d been sacked, but no, here he is:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1340807/Gavin-Williamson-news-university-no-platforming-Blue-Collar-Conservatism-conference-2020/amp

I do feel he embodies the current Conservatives. He couldn’t care less. Lazy and feckless. It’s really sad to see.

kingstongraham

He's really bad at this:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54342688

pangolin

kingstongraham said:

He's really bad at this:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54342688

You would think one main takeaway from round 1 would be that, although not everyone will agree with whatever rules you make up, at least make them clear.

elbowloh

pangolin said:

kingstongraham said:

He's really bad at this:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54342688

You would think one main takeaway from round 1 would be that, although not everyone will agree with whatever rules you make up, at least make them clear.

Maybe Cummings gave him the briefing on the new NE rules. That could obviously lead to confusion.

pblakeney

elbowloh said:

pangolin said:

kingstongraham said:

He's really bad at this:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54342688

You would think one main takeaway from round 1 would be that, although not everyone will agree with whatever rules you make up, at least make them clear.

Maybe Cummings gave him the briefing on the new NE rules. That could obviously lead to confusion.

Official policy for the north east is follow the rules, unless they don't suit you.
As proven. Sounds clear enough to me.

briantrumpet

kingstongraham said:

He's really bad at this:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54342688

Might as well quote the Telegraph. Loads of whingers they are too.

"Boris Johnson might have had high hopes for setting the agenda with an uplifting speech about reskilling the nation to ensure the country is better prepared for 21st century life after Covid.

But instead he is once again looking like a badly-briefed buffoon who couldn't explain his own restrictions. He might have succeeded in stealing the spotlight from Rishi Sunak - but for the wrong reason.

Naturally Labour has seized on his confusion as a sign of incompetence, but increasingly support from Mr Johnson's own benches is ebbing away.

And it gets worse: tomorrow's press conference with the Prime Minister and the two chiefs looks likely to result in him miscast as the bad cop to the public once again. It is clear at every one of these updates that there is nothing the PM likes less than being the nation's party-pooper.

His confusion in Exeter was grist to the mill back in Westminster, where Tory rebels are said to have grown to around 80. Even if the amendment doesn't get selected by Sir Lindsay Hoyle, the Speaker, MPs will demand more than warm words if they are to wave through the Coronavirus Act when it comes to be renewed tomorrow.

Those rebel MPs have strong backing from our readers: with more than 1,000 people voting in today's poll, 85 per cent agree that they are fighting for democracy, with just 15 per cent damning them as irresponsible meddlers."

tailwindhome

"Only voted for him to own the libs"

kingstongraham

Perfectly put by Rafael Behr in The Guardian: "If [Johnson] were not imposing the restrictions he would be writing newspaper columns complaining about them. "