LEAVE the Conservative Party and save your country!

Jezyboy

kingstongraham said:

Some people...

That's the joke?

Why people complain about a lack of right wing comedians when one has made it to PM is beyond me.

surrey_commuter

Jezyboy said:

kingstongraham said:

Some people...

That's the joke?

Why people complain about a lack of right wing comedians when one has made it to PM is beyond me.

I think it is linking commercial greatness to piracy and empire building

I am guessing you are not an elderly xenophobe so not his target audience.

If you are an elderly xenophobe then I am sorry and no offence was intended.

rick_chasey

Jezyboy said:

kingstongraham said:

Some people...

That's the joke?

Why people complain about a lack of right wing comedians when one has made it to PM is beyond me.

In fairness, this is a microcosm of the entire electoral campaign.

TheBigBean

pblakeney said:

TheBigBean said:

pblakeney said:

rjsterry said:

TheBigBean said:

Boris talking up more offshore wind which is surely a good thing.

Yes, it is. The less good bit is throwing £150m at upgrading the infrastructure to allow this to happen. Just laughable.

Not to mention that the contracts will go to either China or Korea.

Fairly doubtful. Denmark maybe.

Last contract that I had an eye on in late spring/summer went to China.
Point being, it won't benefit British manufacturing.

Happy to be proven wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_offshore_wind_farms_in_the_United_Kingdom

Find me a Chinese wind turbine or even owner.

pblakeney

TheBigBean said:

pblakeney said:

TheBigBean said:

pblakeney said:

rjsterry said:

TheBigBean said:

Boris talking up more offshore wind which is surely a good thing.

Yes, it is. The less good bit is throwing £150m at upgrading the infrastructure to allow this to happen. Just laughable.

Not to mention that the contracts will go to either China or Korea.

Fairly doubtful. Denmark maybe.

Last contract that I had an eye on in late spring/summer went to China.
Point being, it won't benefit British manufacturing.

Happy to be proven wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_offshore_wind_farms_in_the_United_Kingdom

Find me a Chinese wind turbine or even owner.

Confusing ownership with manufacturing.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wind_turbine_manufacturers

TheBigBean

pblakeney said:

TheBigBean said:

pblakeney said:

TheBigBean said:

pblakeney said:

rjsterry said:

TheBigBean said:

Boris talking up more offshore wind which is surely a good thing.

Yes, it is. The less good bit is throwing £150m at upgrading the infrastructure to allow this to happen. Just laughable.

Not to mention that the contracts will go to either China or Korea.

Fairly doubtful. Denmark maybe.

Last contract that I had an eye on in late spring/summer went to China.
Point being, it won't benefit British manufacturing.

Happy to be proven wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_offshore_wind_farms_in_the_United_Kingdom

Find me a Chinese wind turbine or even owner.

Confusing ownership with manufacturing.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wind_turbine_manufacturers

Seriously? Look at the list I provided and find a Chinese turbine.

To speed things up note that Siemens and Vestas are not Chinese

pblakeney

TheBigBean said:

pblakeney said:

TheBigBean said:

pblakeney said:

TheBigBean said:

pblakeney said:

rjsterry said:

TheBigBean said:

Boris talking up more offshore wind which is surely a good thing.

Yes, it is. The less good bit is throwing £150m at upgrading the infrastructure to allow this to happen. Just laughable.

Not to mention that the contracts will go to either China or Korea.

Fairly doubtful. Denmark maybe.

Last contract that I had an eye on in late spring/summer went to China.
Point being, it won't benefit British manufacturing.

Happy to be proven wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_offshore_wind_farms_in_the_United_Kingdom

Find me a Chinese wind turbine or even owner.

Confusing ownership with manufacturing.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wind_turbine_manufacturers

Seriously? Look at the list I provided and find a Chinese turbine.

To speed things up note that Siemens and Vestas are not Chinese

My original example was that one future field was recently awarded to China.
My main point was that it would not help British manufacturing.
Show me the British manufacturers. Show me the money! 😉

surrey_commuter

pblakeney said:

TheBigBean said:

pblakeney said:

TheBigBean said:

pblakeney said:

TheBigBean said:

pblakeney said:

rjsterry said:

TheBigBean said:

Boris talking up more offshore wind which is surely a good thing.

Yes, it is. The less good bit is throwing £150m at upgrading the infrastructure to allow this to happen. Just laughable.

Not to mention that the contracts will go to either China or Korea.

Fairly doubtful. Denmark maybe.

Last contract that I had an eye on in late spring/summer went to China.
Point being, it won't benefit British manufacturing.

Happy to be proven wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_offshore_wind_farms_in_the_United_Kingdom

Find me a Chinese wind turbine or even owner.

Confusing ownership with manufacturing.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wind_turbine_manufacturers

Seriously? Look at the list I provided and find a Chinese turbine.

To speed things up note that Siemens and Vestas are not Chinese

My original example was that one future field was recently awarded to China.
My main point was that it would not help British manufacturing.
Show me the British manufacturers. Show me the money! 😉

Vestas manufacture blades on the IoW

pblakeney

surrey_commuter said:

pblakeney said:

TheBigBean said:

pblakeney said:

TheBigBean said:

pblakeney said:

TheBigBean said:

pblakeney said:

rjsterry said:

TheBigBean said:

Boris talking up more offshore wind which is surely a good thing.

Yes, it is. The less good bit is throwing £150m at upgrading the infrastructure to allow this to happen. Just laughable.

Not to mention that the contracts will go to either China or Korea.

Fairly doubtful. Denmark maybe.

Last contract that I had an eye on in late spring/summer went to China.
Point being, it won't benefit British manufacturing.

Happy to be proven wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_offshore_wind_farms_in_the_United_Kingdom

Find me a Chinese wind turbine or even owner.

Confusing ownership with manufacturing.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wind_turbine_manufacturers

Seriously? Look at the list I provided and find a Chinese turbine.

To speed things up note that Siemens and Vestas are not Chinese

My original example was that one future field was recently awarded to China.
My main point was that it would not help British manufacturing.
Show me the British manufacturers. Show me the money! 😉

Vestas manufacture blades on the IoW

I will accept that as potential good news.
My scepticism remains.

john80

TheBigBean said:

rjsterry said:

TheBigBean said:

Boris talking up more offshore wind which is surely a good thing.

Yes, it is. The less good bit is throwing £150m at upgrading the infrastructure to allow this to happen. Just laughable.

Too small or big?

To put this figure in perspective they were in the 2-5 billions to build a single 250kv line from Sellafield to the greater manchester area. By the time we had a tunnel under Morecambe Bay Solway and under grounded large sections that already had 250kv lines to appease the lake district national park and Nimby s. 150 million is laughable. They were looking to charge a Cumbrian 500k to put in a fibre connection to his house the other week.

TheBigBean

pblakeney said:

surrey_commuter said:

pblakeney said:

TheBigBean said:

pblakeney said:

TheBigBean said:

pblakeney said:

TheBigBean said:

pblakeney said:

rjsterry said:

TheBigBean said:

Boris talking up more offshore wind which is surely a good thing.

Yes, it is. The less good bit is throwing £150m at upgrading the infrastructure to allow this to happen. Just laughable.

Not to mention that the contracts will go to either China or Korea.

Fairly doubtful. Denmark maybe.

Last contract that I had an eye on in late spring/summer went to China.
Point being, it won't benefit British manufacturing.

Happy to be proven wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_offshore_wind_farms_in_the_United_Kingdom

Find me a Chinese wind turbine or even owner.

Confusing ownership with manufacturing.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wind_turbine_manufacturers

Seriously? Look at the list I provided and find a Chinese turbine.

To speed things up note that Siemens and Vestas are not Chinese

My original example was that one future field was recently awarded to China.
My main point was that it would not help British manufacturing.
Show me the British manufacturers. Show me the money! 😉

Vestas manufacture blades on the IoW

I will accept that as potential good news.
My scepticism remains.

So, in summary, you know very little about the industry, but are determined to find some negatives.

Perhaps I can help. The wind is almost certainly foreign.

Stevo_666

TheBigBean said:

pblakeney said:

surrey_commuter said:

pblakeney said:

TheBigBean said:

pblakeney said:

TheBigBean said:

pblakeney said:

TheBigBean said:

pblakeney said:

rjsterry said:

TheBigBean said:

Boris talking up more offshore wind which is surely a good thing.

Yes, it is. The less good bit is throwing £150m at upgrading the infrastructure to allow this to happen. Just laughable.

Not to mention that the contracts will go to either China or Korea.

Fairly doubtful. Denmark maybe.

Last contract that I had an eye on in late spring/summer went to China.
Point being, it won't benefit British manufacturing.

Happy to be proven wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_offshore_wind_farms_in_the_United_Kingdom

Find me a Chinese wind turbine or even owner.

Confusing ownership with manufacturing.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wind_turbine_manufacturers

Seriously? Look at the list I provided and find a Chinese turbine.

To speed things up note that Siemens and Vestas are not Chinese

My original example was that one future field was recently awarded to China.
My main point was that it would not help British manufacturing.
Show me the British manufacturers. Show me the money! 😉

Vestas manufacture blades on the IoW

I will accept that as potential good news.
My scepticism remains.

So, in summary, you know very little about the industry, but are determined to find some negatives.

That's a pretty common theme in Cake Stop.

TheBigBean

john80 said:

TheBigBean said:

rjsterry said:

TheBigBean said:

Boris talking up more offshore wind which is surely a good thing.

Yes, it is. The less good bit is throwing £150m at upgrading the infrastructure to allow this to happen. Just laughable.

Too small or big?

To put this figure in perspective they were in the 2-5 billions to build a single 250kv line from Sellafield to the greater manchester area. By the time we had a tunnel under Morecambe Bay Solway and under grounded large sections that already had 250kv lines to appease the lake district national park and Nimby s. 150 million is laughable. They were looking to charge a Cumbrian 500k to put in a fibre connection to his house the other week.

£150m won't build an offshore wind turbine or upgrade much of the grid, but I thought the plan was to upgrade some ports, and my limited experience of those is that £150m will go a long way.

pblakeney

TheBigBean said:

pblakeney said:

surrey_commuter said:

pblakeney said:

TheBigBean said:

pblakeney said:

TheBigBean said:

pblakeney said:

TheBigBean said:

pblakeney said:

rjsterry said:

TheBigBean said:

Boris talking up more offshore wind which is surely a good thing.

Yes, it is. The less good bit is throwing £150m at upgrading the infrastructure to allow this to happen. Just laughable.

Not to mention that the contracts will go to either China or Korea.

Fairly doubtful. Denmark maybe.

Last contract that I had an eye on in late spring/summer went to China.
Point being, it won't benefit British manufacturing.

Happy to be proven wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_offshore_wind_farms_in_the_United_Kingdom

Find me a Chinese wind turbine or even owner.

Confusing ownership with manufacturing.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wind_turbine_manufacturers

Seriously? Look at the list I provided and find a Chinese turbine.

To speed things up note that Siemens and Vestas are not Chinese

My original example was that one future field was recently awarded to China.
My main point was that it would not help British manufacturing.
Show me the British manufacturers. Show me the money! 😉

Vestas manufacture blades on the IoW

I will accept that as potential good news.
My scepticism remains.

So, in summary, you know very little about the industry, but are determined to find some negatives.

Perhaps I can help. The wind is almost certainly foreign.

Your summary is incorrect.
A glimmer of hope is good but it won't realise BJ's dream.

surrey_commuter

pblakeney said:

TheBigBean said:

pblakeney said:

surrey_commuter said:

pblakeney said:

TheBigBean said:

pblakeney said:

TheBigBean said:

pblakeney said:

TheBigBean said:

pblakeney said:

rjsterry said:

TheBigBean said:

Boris talking up more offshore wind which is surely a good thing.

Yes, it is. The less good bit is throwing £150m at upgrading the infrastructure to allow this to happen. Just laughable.

Not to mention that the contracts will go to either China or Korea.

Fairly doubtful. Denmark maybe.

Last contract that I had an eye on in late spring/summer went to China.
Point being, it won't benefit British manufacturing.

Happy to be proven wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_offshore_wind_farms_in_the_United_Kingdom

Find me a Chinese wind turbine or even owner.

Confusing ownership with manufacturing.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wind_turbine_manufacturers

Seriously? Look at the list I provided and find a Chinese turbine.

To speed things up note that Siemens and Vestas are not Chinese

My original example was that one future field was recently awarded to China.
My main point was that it would not help British manufacturing.
Show me the British manufacturers. Show me the money! 😉

Vestas manufacture blades on the IoW

I will accept that as potential good news.
My scepticism remains.

So, in summary, you know very little about the industry, but are determined to find some negatives.

Perhaps I can help. The wind is almost certainly foreign.

Your summary is incorrect.
A glimmer of hope is good but it won't realise BJ's dream.

You are right that it is nowhere near enough but this is a good thing as there is no way the gibbering baboon can allocate resources more efficiently than the market.

Pross

surrey_commuter said:

pblakeney said:

TheBigBean said:

pblakeney said:

TheBigBean said:

pblakeney said:

TheBigBean said:

pblakeney said:

rjsterry said:

TheBigBean said:

Boris talking up more offshore wind which is surely a good thing.

Yes, it is. The less good bit is throwing £150m at upgrading the infrastructure to allow this to happen. Just laughable.

Not to mention that the contracts will go to either China or Korea.

Fairly doubtful. Denmark maybe.

Last contract that I had an eye on in late spring/summer went to China.
Point being, it won't benefit British manufacturing.

Happy to be proven wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_offshore_wind_farms_in_the_United_Kingdom

Find me a Chinese wind turbine or even owner.

Confusing ownership with manufacturing.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wind_turbine_manufacturers

Seriously? Look at the list I provided and find a Chinese turbine.

To speed things up note that Siemens and Vestas are not Chinese

My original example was that one future field was recently awarded to China.
My main point was that it would not help British manufacturing.
Show me the British manufacturers. Show me the money! 😉

Vestas manufacture blades on the IoW

One of the manufacturers had a facility in Chepstow but I think that was when they were doing a lot of inland turbines and that it has closed. It was supposed to be a big future employer at the time but nothing came of it unfortunately.

pblakeney

FWIW, the bottleneck is/was the supply of quality steel to make the bearings.
That'll be where the money is. Steel -> Bearings -> Turbines. ⇡

rjsterry

TheBigBean said:

john80 said:

TheBigBean said:

rjsterry said:

TheBigBean said:

Boris talking up more offshore wind which is surely a good thing.

Yes, it is. The less good bit is throwing £150m at upgrading the infrastructure to allow this to happen. Just laughable.

Too small or big?

To put this figure in perspective they were in the 2-5 billions to build a single 250kv line from Sellafield to the greater manchester area. By the time we had a tunnel under Morecambe Bay Solway and under grounded large sections that already had 250kv lines to appease the lake district national park and Nimby s. 150 million is laughable. They were looking to charge a Cumbrian 500k to put in a fibre connection to his house the other week.

£150m won't build an offshore wind turbine or upgrade much of the grid, but I thought the plan was to upgrade some ports, and my limited experience of those is that £150m will go a long way.

I think it is a figure picked to sound like a lot without actually being much of a commitment.

rick_chasey

rjsterry said:

TheBigBean said:

john80 said:

TheBigBean said:

rjsterry said:

TheBigBean said:

Boris talking up more offshore wind which is surely a good thing.

Yes, it is. The less good bit is throwing £150m at upgrading the infrastructure to allow this to happen. Just laughable.

Too small or big?

To put this figure in perspective they were in the 2-5 billions to build a single 250kv line from Sellafield to the greater manchester area. By the time we had a tunnel under Morecambe Bay Solway and under grounded large sections that already had 250kv lines to appease the lake district national park and Nimby s. 150 million is laughable. They were looking to charge a Cumbrian 500k to put in a fibre connection to his house the other week.

£150m won't build an offshore wind turbine or upgrade much of the grid, but I thought the plan was to upgrade some ports, and my limited experience of those is that £150m will go a long way.

I think it is a figure picked to sound like a lot without actually being much of a commitment.

This sort of stuff always reminds me of this:

https://twitter.com/C4Ciaran/status/1312339136569847808

TheBigBean

rjsterry said:

TheBigBean said:

john80 said:

TheBigBean said:

rjsterry said:

TheBigBean said:

Boris talking up more offshore wind which is surely a good thing.

Yes, it is. The less good bit is throwing £150m at upgrading the infrastructure to allow this to happen. Just laughable.

Too small or big?

To put this figure in perspective they were in the 2-5 billions to build a single 250kv line from Sellafield to the greater manchester area. By the time we had a tunnel under Morecambe Bay Solway and under grounded large sections that already had 250kv lines to appease the lake district national park and Nimby s. 150 million is laughable. They were looking to charge a Cumbrian 500k to put in a fibre connection to his house the other week.

£150m won't build an offshore wind turbine or upgrade much of the grid, but I thought the plan was to upgrade some ports, and my limited experience of those is that £150m will go a long way.

I think it is a figure picked to sound like a lot without actually being much of a commitment.

Sure, but it seemed ok for some ports to me.

The big piece in the puzzle hasn't be announced i.e. how are they going persuade the developers to build that much more offshore wind, and who is paying for the grid upgrade works that will probably be required (the developer, but how). Given the crazy low prices that offshore wind can now be built for, it might not cost that much.

rjsterry

It's about 2/3 of what they spent on 7 Nightingale hospitals.

For more direct comparison https://www.constructionweekonline.com/article-9412-top-10-port-projects

I would love for them to get this right. It's a chance for Johnson's premiership to be about something other than disaster after disaster, but if they are just going to throw a few million at some bits and bobs it'll be as meaningful as Cameron hugging a husky.

Stevo_666

pblakeney said:

TheBigBean said:

pblakeney said:

surrey_commuter said:

pblakeney said:

TheBigBean said:

pblakeney said:

TheBigBean said:

pblakeney said:

TheBigBean said:

pblakeney said:

rjsterry said:

TheBigBean said:

Boris talking up more offshore wind which is surely a good thing.

Yes, it is. The less good bit is throwing £150m at upgrading the infrastructure to allow this to happen. Just laughable.

Not to mention that the contracts will go to either China or Korea.

Fairly doubtful. Denmark maybe.

Last contract that I had an eye on in late spring/summer went to China.
Point being, it won't benefit British manufacturing.

Happy to be proven wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_offshore_wind_farms_in_the_United_Kingdom

Find me a Chinese wind turbine or even owner.

Confusing ownership with manufacturing.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wind_turbine_manufacturers

Seriously? Look at the list I provided and find a Chinese turbine.

To speed things up note that Siemens and Vestas are not Chinese

My original example was that one future field was recently awarded to China.
My main point was that it would not help British manufacturing.
Show me the British manufacturers. Show me the money! 😉

Vestas manufacture blades on the IoW

I will accept that as potential good news.
My scepticism remains.

So, in summary, you know very little about the industry, but are determined to find some negatives.

Perhaps I can help. The wind is almost certainly foreign.

Your summary is incorrect.
A glimmer of hope is good but it won't realise BJ's dream.

Which bit is incorrect?

TheBigBean

rjsterry said:

It's about 2/3 of what they spent on 7 Nightingale hospitals.

For more direct comparison https://www.constructionweekonline.com/article-9412-top-10-port-projects

I would love for them to get this right. It's a chance for Johnson's premiership to be about something other than disaster after disaster, but if they are just going to throw a few million at some bits and bobs it'll be as meaningful as Cameron hugging a husky.

That's not a direct comparison. Port upgrades to help offshore wind turbines are really not the same thing as deep water container ports.

surrey_commuter

rjsterry said:

It's about 2/3 of what they spent on 7 Nightingale hospitals.

For more direct comparison https://www.constructionweekonline.com/article-9412-top-10-port-projects

I would love for them to get this right. It's a chance for Johnson's premiership to be about something other than disaster after disaster, but if they are just going to throw a few million at some bits and bobs it'll be as meaningful as Cameron hugging a husky.

Silicon roundabout worked.

briantrumpet

Who needs bitter lefties, when the righties are doing a good job of putting the boot into the Tory Government with an 80-seat majority?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/10/06/nation-thought-good-stuff-turns-arent/

"It’s been a profoundly humbling experience, much to the privately expressed delight of some of our Continental neighbours as we prepare finally to leave the EU single market. If Britain cannot respond competently to Covid, they say, what chance of making a success out of Brexit?

If ever there was a wake-up call, Covid is providing it in spades. A crisis that demands hard-headed professionalism has instead been met by the nonchalance of the gifted amateur, who delusionally imagines he can turn up on the day and win the Premier League without training or method.

Unfortunately, the Prime Minister, with his references at the Conservative Party virtual conference this week to a bygone age of British maritime glory, seems determined to brush the realities aside. Indeed, it is this kind of cheerleading nonsense which is very much part of the problem. We can rightly be proud of our past, but too often it is used to anaesthetise the nation against the challenges and failures of the present."

rjsterry

surrey_commuter said:

rjsterry said:

It's about 2/3 of what they spent on 7 Nightingale hospitals.

For more direct comparison https://www.constructionweekonline.com/article-9412-top-10-port-projects

I would love for them to get this right. It's a chance for Johnson's premiership to be about something other than disaster after disaster, but if they are just going to throw a few million at some bits and bobs it'll be as meaningful as Cameron hugging a husky.

Silicon roundabout worked.

Briefly, yes. I think climate change is a slightly bigger problem.

rjsterry

TheBigBean said:

rjsterry said:

It's about 2/3 of what they spent on 7 Nightingale hospitals.

For more direct comparison https://www.constructionweekonline.com/article-9412-top-10-port-projects

I would love for them to get this right. It's a chance for Johnson's premiership to be about something other than disaster after disaster, but if they are just going to throw a few million at some bits and bobs it'll be as meaningful as Cameron hugging a husky.

That's not a direct comparison. Port upgrades to help offshore wind turbines are really not the same thing as deep water container ports.

Fair point - lazy googling on my part. Was trying to find something closer than half a dozen heavily serviced large sheds full of hospital beds. I was pleased to see upgrading the housing stock in there as well, but again this has been a target for years but has suffered from a mixture of weak systems dumbed down to make them palatable (EPCs) and paltry grants with overly onerous qualification requirements. All seemingly designed to spend the absolute minimum.

Pross

briantrumpet said:

If ever there was a wake-up call, Covid is providing it in spades. A crisis that demands hard-headed professionalism has instead been met by the nonchalance of the gifted amateur, who delusionally imagines he can turn up on the day and win the Premier League without training or method.

You can tell that's from The Telegraph, you wouldn't see anyone else use the analogy of gifted amateurs, there's nothing gifted about this bunch of amateurs.

sungod

pblakeney said:

FWIW, the bottleneck is/was the supply of quality steel to make the bearings.
That'll be where the money is. Steel -> Bearings -> Turbines. ⇡

not ceramic? think of the watts to be gained

for the avoidance of doubt---->>>>

briantrumpet

Weird, but I can't find any current Telegraph articles praising Johnson's handling of, well, anything.

Is he still Prime Minister?